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looking at the numbers as the season is at the 25% mark it seems to me like there is much to be concerned about and a few bright spots as well much of this information is [URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Stats_Standings_517.jsp"]here[/URL] and other numbers come from [URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Stats_Standings_517.jsp"]here:[/URL]

1) Rushing TDs after 4 games we have all of one rushing TD and that from our Punter hunter smith. There are 62 players in the NFL that have atleast one rushing TD and the only one of those that is a redskin is our punter. for a team that has long prided itself on smash mouth NFC East Football this is clearly not a good number.

2) Points Scored we have scored 56 points in 4 games which ranks 27th out of 32. the only teams we have out scored are Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Oakland, Carolina and St. Louis. I know this is an ongoing topic here but we need to find a way to get more points on the board.

3) Points allowed we stack up pretty well here we are tied for 6th in points allowed, having given up 62 points in 4 games. This is the best in the NFC East.

4) Jason Campbell is 9th in the league in TD passes with 5 and 4th in the league in Interceptions with 5 as well considering that Campbell only threw 6 picks all of last year this is certainly a concern.

5) Giveaway/takeaway we are 25th in the league with a turnover difference of -3 when you are not scoring points (like we are not doing) turnovers will kill you, this is certainly an area of concern.

6) London Fletcher has been a beast and is leading the league with 52 tackles. the next closest has 40. if this continues I don't see how London can be kept out of the pro bowl again this year.

I thought the second half of sunday's game was solid but there are only three more games on the schedule that we clearly should win (Carolina, KC and Oakland) We need to make some fast progress before we get into the meat of our schedule. I certainly hope that this can happen.

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More numbers: Portis is now 9 games without reaching 100 yards.

On a historical note, since 1991, over a period of 18 years, the Redskins are one of only 5 teams that have not been to a conference championship game. The others are the Texans, Bengals, Browns, and Lions.

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Basically we are lucky to be 2-2

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[quote=DFI;603074]looking at the numbers as the season is at the 25% mark it seems to me like there is much to be concerned about and a few bright spots as well much of this information is [URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Stats_Standings_517.jsp"]here[/URL] and other numbers come from [URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Stats_Standings_517.jsp"]here:[/URL]

1) Rushing TDs after 4 games we have all of one rushing TD and that from our Punter hunter smith. There are 62 players in the NFL that have atleast one rushing TD and the only one of those that is a redskin is our punter. for a team that has long prided itself on smash mouth NFC East Football this is clearly not a good number.

2) Points Scored we have scored 56 points in 4 games which ranks 27th out of 32. the only teams we have out scored are Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Oakland, Carolina and St. Louis. I know this is an ongoing topic here but we need to find a way to get more points on the board.

3) Points allowed we stack up pretty well here we are tied for 6th in points allowed, having given up 62 points in 4 games. This is the best in the NFC East.

4) Jason Campbell is 9th in the league in TD passes with 5 and 4th in the league in Interceptions with 5 as well considering that Campbell only threw 6 picks all of last year this is certainly a concern.

5) Giveaway/takeaway we are 25th in the league with a turnover difference of -3 when you are not scoring points (like we are not doing) turnovers will kill you, this is certainly an area of concern.

6) London Fletcher has been a beast and is leading the league with 52 tackles. the next closest has 40. if this continues I don't see how London can be kept out of the pro bowl again this year.

I thought the second half of sunday's game was solid but there are only three more games on the schedule that we clearly should win (Carolina, KC and Oakland) We need to make some fast progress before we get into the meat of our schedule. I certainly hope that this can happen.[/quote]

1) Alarming

2) And Carolina was on bye this week

3) As much as we rag on the Defense, they still haven't given up 30 in something like 26 games. The O is the bigger problem on this team.

4) I expect him to really light it up when we get to the soft part of our schedule, and he doesn't have to face the vaunted Defenses of the Bucs, Rams and Lions anymore. Talk about Murderer's Row;). BTW, some teams have only played 3 games.

5) DBs can't catch and we don't hit the guy most likely to cough it up. Nothing new.

6) He's the man

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1) Rushing TDs after 4 games we have all of one rushing TD and that from our Punter hunter smith. There are 62 players in the NFL that have atleast one rushing TD and the only one of those that is a redskin is our punter. for a team that has long prided itself on smash mouth NFC East Football this is clearly not a good number.
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I have lobbied before for Hunter the Punter to start at halfback. We could even wildcat Hunter. He would pick up the running game. Sadly, he's hurt.

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Holy shit, one f'ing rushing TD?!?!

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when it comes to the skins I am always a glass half full kind of guy, and in my opinion the second half of sunday's game was the best 30 minutes we have played all year we should win a minimum of two of the next three and should hit the bye week no worse than 4-3. I am not convinced a coaching change is the answer....I like zorn I think he is a quality guy and should be given some time. not sure that is what will happen but that is what I think. I am not sold on campbell, my son thinks that Pinapple Jesus is the salvation of the team but I am not convinced that is the answer either

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I'd say the most alarming stat to me is this one:

Cooley: 22 rec, 254 yds, 2 TDs
Moss: 17 rec, 293 yds, 2 TDs
Randle El: 13 rec, 158 yds, 0 TDs

Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis combined: 10 rec, 82 yds, 0 TDs


I don't know how much longer we should be holding out hope for this group. I mean, is it that zorn isn't calling plays to involve them, or do they just not get separation, or what? I realize Fred Davis is being utilized more as a blocker, which is good, but didn't we draft him to be a passing threat?

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[quote=Beemnseven;603084]More numbers: Portis is now 9 games without reaching 100 yards.

On a historical note, since 1991, over a period of 18 years, the Redskins are one of only 5 teams that have not been to a conference championship game. The others are the Texans, Bengals, Browns, and Lions.[/quote]

Texans and Browns shouldn't be included since they were both formed after 91. And didn't the Lions last go to the conference championship in 91, losing to the Skins? Still, I didn't know the Skins were in such poor company there.

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[quote=DFI;603074]
1) Rushing TDs after 4 games we have all of [B]one rushing TD and that from our Punter hunter smith[/B]. There are 62 players in the NFL that have atleast one rushing TD and the only one of those that is a redskin is our punter. for a team that has long prided itself on smash mouth NFC East Football this is clearly not a good number.[/quote]

This is the biggest problem as I see it. The O-line fails us almost every year it seems.

What percentage of the running plays are using zone blocking? Conventional wisdom is you need fast, lighter, nimble linemen for zone blocking. However none of the Skin's O-line is on the right side of 300 lbs. Plus Betts really is not the right kind of back for stretch plays. He can't cut (or see the cut back lane?) fast enough to exploit the big holes. That leaves Portis to shoulder the load and he seems to be aged or injured.

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Zorn needs to work on ways to get the young WRs involved. Moss is constantly being double teamed. There's gotta be some opportunities there to take advantage of other than Cooley. Cooley by the way is on pace for a monster season.

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[quote=DFI;603074]
2) Points Scored we have scored 56 points in 4 games which ranks 27th out of 32. the only teams we have out scored are Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Oakland, Carolina and St. Louis. I know this is an ongoing topic here but we need to find a way to get more points on the board.
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Does anyone else find it funny that the most points Washington has scored in a single game this season was in the Meadowlands, against the Giants? Go figure...

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[quote=Mattyk72;603244]Zorn needs to work on ways to get the young WRs involved. Moss is constantly being double teamed. There's gotta be some opportunities there to take advantage of other than Cooley. Cooley by the way is on pace for a monster season.[/quote]

I wonder if DT is ever the 1st read? They could get him in for a bubble screen or quick slant, but I wonder just how confident JC & coaches are in him.

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[quote=freddyg12;603254]I wonder if DT is ever the 1st read? They could get him in for a bubble screen or quick slant, but I wonder just how confident JC & coaches are in him.[/quote]

It's obvious they have some plays for Kelly, they've tried to hit him deep a few times per game. Yeah it would be nice to see them dialing something up for Thomas deep.

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[quote=takethecake;603199]I'd say the most alarming stat to me is this one:

Cooley: 22 rec, 254 yds, 2 TDs
Moss: 17 rec, 293 yds, 2 TDs
Randle El: 13 rec, 158 yds, 0 TDs

Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis combined: 10 rec, 82 yds, 0 TDs


I don't know how much longer we should be holding out hope for this group. I mean, is it that zorn isn't calling plays to involve them, or do they just not get separation, or what? I realize Fred Davis is being utilized more as a blocker, which is good, but didn't we draft him to be a passing threat?[/quote]

Yeah, I think this is very disappointing. Fred Davis numbers dont surprise me, but when U have complete F-ing indiots in the FO that waste a second round pick when u already have a pro bowler in that position this is what you get. Fred Davis is the most talented of the 3, but he cant find the field b/c Cooley is a beast. I actually feel bad for Davis, and would love to see him split out some more to see what he can do. Malcom and Devin flat out suck. Hixon sucks too. I say bench Malcom and put in Marko. And get Devin back on kick off and punt returns.

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Honestly, I'm getting a little concerned that ARE hasn't shown up recently. Those slants were NASTY against the Giants.

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How about some slants to Kelly or Thomas? Let them use their size.

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[quote=Mattyk72;603244]Zorn needs to work on ways to get the young WRs involved. Moss is constantly being double teamed. There's gotta be some opportunities there to take advantage of other than Cooley. Cooley by the way is on pace for a monster season.[/quote]
IF we cannot get the young guys involved in the double situations as has been pointed out, it is equivalent of putting a gun to our Offensive head.....with all the chambers loaded......maybe I'm a little frustrated with that situation. AND if we did imagine what it would do for Moss and Cooley?
AND, AND IF we do not either JZ or VC did it to us as these guys can't play, or the coach can't figure it out.
.....where the hell is Marko Mitchell
HTTR

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Well when I start of a golf round with a tripple boggie on the first hole I tell myself it can only get better from here and thats what I'm thinking about the Skins.

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[quote=Mattyk72;603267]How about some slants to Kelly or Thomas? Let them use their size.[/quote]

I think I mentioned this in another thread, but doesn't it seem like it's not really the rookies fault a lot of the time. For example, I think Davis is a BEAST running with the ball. They ran that TE screen to him and Heyer absolutely whiffed on the block. If it's Cooley, it's always money.

Same with Kelly. If we throw to him, it's always deep down the field but out of bounds or into double coverage. Sometimes I think we need to keep feeding them the ball just to let them break out a little bit.

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[quote=takethecake;603199]I'd say the most alarming stat to me is this one:

Cooley: 22 rec, 254 yds, 2 TDs
Moss: 17 rec, 293 yds, 2 TDs
Randle El: 13 rec, 158 yds, 0 TDs

[B]Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis combined: 10 rec, 82 yds, 0 TDs[/B]


I don't know how much longer we should be holding out hope for this group. I mean, is it that zorn isn't calling plays to involve them, or do they just not get separation, or what? I realize Fred Davis is being utilized more as a blocker, which is good, but didn't we draft him to be a passing threat?[/quote]This is basically the same shitty offense because teams only need to focus on Cooley and Moss. Isn't the WCO supposed to spread the wealth in the passing game? It's funny how other teams run the WCO and look unstoppable, yet our offense can't get out if its own way. Until Snyderato fully commits to building a dominant O-line this offense will suck out loud, regardless of who we have at the skill positions.

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[quote=SouperMeister;603284]This is basically the same shitty offense because teams only need to focus on Cooley and Moss. Isn't the WCO supposed to spread the wealth in the passing game? It's funny how other teams run the WCO and look unstoppable, yet our offense can't get out if its own way. Until Snyderato fully commits to building a dominant O-line this offense will suck out loud, regardless of who we have at the skill positions.[/quote]

The problem is the Skins players can be divided into 3 categories; 1-old guys that cant play, 2-young guys that cant play, 3-a handful of guys that can play for any team. My point is this team is comprised of a lot of guys that arent very good so its hard to spread the WCO "wealth" because the talent just isnt there. I agree with you that the O line is a good place to start building.

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As you say Irish the O-line is a good place to start. Without it nothing else productive is possible. Obviously we have some work to do there. If we had a great O-line, it would make many other guys look much better....like JC
(see Joe1/Hogs)

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Zorn said something yesterday that I think alot of us forget. They are still working on the timing and running a WCO. Joe T. said last year that it takes at least two years to get down the timming of this system down.

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[quote=firstdown;603272]Well when I start of a golf round with a tripple boggie on the first hole I tell myself it can only get better from here and thats what I'm thinking about the Skins.[/quote]
Should've teed off with the 3-wood

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I wish they would either commit to using Thomas or Kelly. Move Moss around a little and let these guys become the #1 receiver. I don't believe it's an issue with Kelly or Thomas being bad, or not knowing what to do. Get them involved early.

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i saw someone mentioned the o line that has been consistantly a problem. Last year we were the only team in the league without a starting O Lineman in his twentys this year we were close to that, i know the wookie is young but he is about the only one. I don't understand why this can't be addressed in the draft or offseason free agency. We threw money at Jason Taylor and what did it get us? Haynesworth is good, but we could have done a ton on the O Line for 100 Million. We did pick up dockery but he is about the like the dutch boy with his finger in the dike at this point.

We need personel people who will make wise moves and things will begin to fall into place.

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I have to believe that Zorn and his coaching staff have seen something in practice from Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly that we haven't seen in the game. They are not getting separation, fighting for receptions or finding holes in the zone. Why Marko Mitchell has not been activated and given an opportunity on game day is mind boggling. He cannot be any worse than Thomas and Kelly. Given an opportunity, he may make a play. We will never know, if he can't get off the pine.

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[quote=jrsz24;603306]I wish they would either commit to using Thomas or Kelly. Move Moss around a little and let these guys become the #1 receiver. I don't believe it's an issue with Kelly or Thomas being bad, or not knowing what to do. Get them involved early.[/quote]
Have you watched the replays with an isolation on the receivers? Randle-El, Kelly and Thomas are not getting separation. Moss and Cooley are the only guys getting open.

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Zorn mentioned on Comcast Sportsnet yesterday that he bascially only has DT on the field to run picks againt defenders, and he wants to get DT more involved.

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[quote=Stacks42;603320]Zorn mentioned on Comcast Sportsnet yesterday that he bascially only has DT on the field to run picks againt defenders, and he wants to get DT more involved.[/quote]

If true, this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today.

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See Stacks, if true, that has to be painfully obvious to the opposition. They should know what is up every time DT is on the field. I guess it makes more sense why our offense sucks.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;603265]Honestly, I'm getting a little concerned that ARE hasn't shown up recently. Those slants were NASTY against the Giants.[/quote]The problem with Randle El the last two weeks is playing time.

According to [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/oct/06/playing-time-vs-bucs/"]Ryan O'Halloran of the Times[/URL], Mike Sellers played 34 snaps Sunday. He played at least that many if not more against Detroit.

The result: 22 snaps for Randle El. The guy is just not on the field enough.

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[quote=Stacks42;603320]Zorn mentioned on Comcast Sportsnet yesterday that he bascially only has DT on the field to run picks againt defenders, and he wants to get DT more involved.[/quote]

Yeah he basically said Thomas has been put on the field that much, and when he is it's often for the purposes of getting other receivers open. Not sure what that means. Does he think DT will draw double teams?

Wants to continue to feed Kelly, wants to see him get more separation.

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[quote=Mattyk72;603256]It's obvious they have some plays for Kelly, they've tried to hit him deep a few times per game. Yeah it would be nice to see them dialing something up for Thomas deep.[/quote]


Maybe i'm offbase here but i watched the game last night. GB had everyone involved in the offense and Gruden did a good job of explaining the plays. McCarthy (and Childress) called some great plays to get guys open. It doesn't look like rocket science here. You're right Zorn has got to draw up some plays to get EVERYONE involved. If not SM and Cooley are getting doubled more often than not.

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I'm not impressed with these "so-called" WRs we drafted. It would have made more sense to keep Keenan and draft O-line men. You know I keep hearing everyone talking all this trash about last year's draft and I'm still pissed. Phil Loadholt did good last night [U][B]STARTING [/B][/U]for Minn. We could really use another center like Alex Mack. Perhaps no one else notices that Casey is starting to get a lot more penalties? Why we passed on Duke is beyond me? So what if he had a bad game. So we just throw out the whole season that got him to a bowl game because he has a bad game? He would've been a steal and who do we get? eff Vinny.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;603349]I'm not impressed with these "so-called" WRs we drafted. It would have made more sense to keep Keenan and draft O-line men. You know I keep hearing everyone talking all this trash about last year's draft and I'm still pissed. Phil Loadholt did good last night [U][B]STARTING [/B][/U]for Minn. We could really use another center like Alex Mack. Perhaps no one else notices that Casey is starting to get a lot more penalties? Why we passed on Duke is beyond me? So what if he had a bad game. So we just throw out the whole season that got him to a bowl game because he has a bad game? He would've been a steal and who do we get? eff Vinny.[/quote]Even if we had gotten him, we'd still be just as reliant on the five current guys to perform. Depth is unconditionally a good thing for the long run, but our situation wouldn't have been any better.

And if it cost us a key special teams player, then we'd be worse off. Again, just because you draft LBs, Safeties, Backs, and Recievers with second day selections doesn't mean you'll improve your special teams necessarily, but that is how you do it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;603373]Even if we had gotten him, we'd still be just as reliant on the five current guys to perform. Depth is unconditionally a good thing for the long run, but our situation wouldn't have been any better.

And if it cost us a key special teams player, then we'd be worse off. Again, just because you draft LBs, Safeties, Backs, and Recievers with second day selections doesn't mean you'll improve your special teams necessarily, but that is how you do it.[/quote]

Perhaps? I can't see the future. Time will tell as the season goes on. Which him are you talking about, Mack, Loadholt, or Robinson?

ST is great but CP, Rock, and Betts are running out of steam. The O line is the problem.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;603379]Perhaps? I can't see the future. Time will tell as the season goes on. Which him are you talking about, Mack, Loadholt, or Robinson?

ST is great but CP, Rock, and Betts are running out of steam. The O line is the problem.[/quote]Not the first two round guys. Particularly Robinson.

The O-Line is a problem, but it's a problem because Thomas, who was the key cog on the interior, is injured again. It's not a problem because Rinehart/Heyer can't play. Dockery-Rabach-Rinehart on the interior OL scares no one, but the hope is that by the end of the year, Rinehart is the best of the three.

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why doesn't Zorn send DT & MK in motion to get more separation?