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[quote=DC Sports Bog]

"What would cause you to sort of make a change at that position?" Kevin Sheehan asked Zorn.

"I think if the quarterback was completely, first of all if he was just unsure of what he was doing," Zorn said. "If I called a play and he was either throwing the ball or reading or not reading or not creating on the line of scrimmage that confidence, changing the protection or just trying to execute the play. If that happened over and over again, I would definitely make a change. And yet I felt Jason was fully into the game. He was very competitive. You know, it gets frustrating, it got frustrating early, but he hung in there very well. He had some glitches here and there because he started to move on from reads quicker than the receiver had the ability to run his route. You know, he was already on to the second guy because he wasn't sure of protection, but he didn't lose confidence in the play, in the call, in his ability to execute it. And again in the second half, it was a chance for us to take a breath at halftime and then come back out, and we executed better in the second half."

Or, to put it another way, "Nothing." [/quote] [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/what_would_make_zorn_bench_cam.html]D.C. Sports Bog - What Would Make Zorn Bench Campbell?[/url]

Hopefully we can focus on other areas of the team that are bigger problems than the QB play. Coming off of a win from his worst game as a pro, let's spend our time & energy in other areas.

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[quote=Paintrain;603468]Hopefully we can focus on other areas of the team that are bigger problems than the QB play. Coming off of a win from his worst game as a pro, let's spend our time & energy in other areas.[/quote]

A QB change would be foolish now. Campbell is far and away the best QB on our roster right now (you know, between him and Todd, since we only have 2 QBs) and if we benched Campbell, all it would do is give the Campbell-lovers here a reason to complain. Campbell needs to continue playing, if only to prove to all of you, once and for all, that he's not a #1 QB material.

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JC brought the team back and won. A QB change would be foolish.

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He had a terrible game, but I think there was something physically wrong. Either he had hurt is hand or hiding some other type of injury, because his passes seemed quite off in the first half. However, how many QBs can turn the ball over four times (three INTs one fumble) and still bring his team back for a win? Not too many! Usually when you turn the ball over more than three times, you lose the game.

Campbell hung in there, played better in the second half, and brought his team back from behind to win. I definitely believe Campbell is the clear best option for our team. However, I'm wondering what is going to happen to him after the season? Yes I know, let's worry about that after the season. But you can't help to have that in the back of your mind.

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Overall his numbers are solid.

Watching the MNF game last night, I was amazed at the time the Minnesota line gave Favre. Campbell has no option but to either throw it quick or scramble. I remember the days of the Hogs... do you think it was the QBs (3 different SB QBs) or the the work of the line?? Give him a line and time and we excell.

Watching the game in person on Sunday was rough during the first half and fantastic during the second half (especially the 3rd quarter). If you look at the QB rating alone 1st half vs. 2nd half, that really tells the story. Watching it again on tape that night really shows the overall play of the QB. I will admit he was nowhere near accurate in the 1st half, but look at the pressure TB put on him.

Four turnovers is unheard of from JC. I was amazed to read that 3 INTs was the most he had ever thrown since starting to play football. And keep in mind that one of those INTs was a deflection after nailing the referee!!

And I am in complete agreement that he is the best QB on the roster. I hope he begins to shine, because I do not like the looks of Tebo or McCoy as top prospect NFL QBs. I can see Dannyboy overspending and wasting draft picks to go after the next "big name" rookie QB.

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Let's also remember that in a West Coast offense, it is all about timing. So, our OL's protection scheme may not have to be like it was in the glory days of Joe Gibbs. This offense appears to be built off of short timing passes which requires the QB to be a quick thinker and to react quickly.

In the days of the hogs, totally different offense as far as the passing schemes were concerned.

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[quote=CancunCantinaBartender;603484]Overall his numbers are solid.

Watching the MNF game last night, I was amazed at the time the Minnesota line gave Favre. Campbell has no option but to either throw it quick or scramble. I remember the days of the Hogs... do you think it was the QBs (3 different SB QBs) or the the work of the line?? Give him a line and time and we excell.

Watching the game in person on Sunday was rough during the first half and fantastic during the second half (especially the 3rd quarter). If you look at the QB rating alone 1st half vs. 2nd half, that really tells the story. Watching it again on tape that night really shows the overall play of the QB. I will admit he was nowhere near accurate in the 1st half, but look at the pressure TB put on him.

Four turnovers is unheard of from JC. I was amazed to read that 3 INTs was the most he had ever thrown since starting to play football. And keep in mind that one of those INTs was a deflection after nailing the referee!!

And I am in complete agreement that he is the best QB on the roster. I hope he begins to shine, because I do not like the looks of Tebo or McCoy as top prospect NFL QBs. I can see Dannyboy overspending and wasting draft picks to go after the next "big name" rookie QB.[/quote]

Also by watching the MNF game I noticed Rodgers didn't have too much time (sacked 8 times) and he still throw for 384 yards and 2TD's with 1 pick not bad for a QB being pressured and hit so much, not bad for a QB who was on his 20th start. It is my opinion that JC will never be a dynamic QB like what Rodgers could potentially be. I think it'd be stupid to sit him now because wether he'll be a big time QB or not he's still playing well and is one of the very few bright spots of the team. I just cant help but notice that young QB's like rodgers (with half as many starts) just look like they have something special that JC will probably never have. I hope I'm wrong and he starts stepping it up even more and starts throwing some TDs (or find a coach that can call some plays that can actually help us score)

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I hope Tod Collins doesn't start playing until the weekend after next.

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I want to see Campbell keep his eyes down the field field.. maybe a few fake looks/pumps to throw the D off, something that Favre does well and really showed off Monday night. When's the last time Campbell really did any of that?

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[quote=tryfuhl;603565]I want to see Campbell keep his eyes down the field field.. maybe a few fake looks/pumps to throw the D off, something that Favre does well and really showed off Monday night. When's the last time Campbell really did any of that?[/quote]When was the last time we ran multiple vertical routes on the same play?

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He's got to live and/or die with Campbell in an effort to complete the job he was origionally brought here to do. Barring injury or just horrible play, Campbell will be the man.

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There needs to be changes in the O-Line...The QB play would definitely improve. However, since you can't do too much with the O-Line, then a change to Collins should be considered IF he could get rid of the ball faster than JC.

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[quote=skinsguy;603479]He had a terrible game, but I think there was something physically wrong. Either he had hurt is hand or hiding some other type of injury, because his passes seemed quite off in the first half. However, how many QBs can turn the ball over four times (three INTs one fumble) and still bring his team back for a win? Not too many! Usually when you turn the ball over more than three times, you lose the game.

Campbell hung in there, played better in the second half, and brought his team back from behind to win. I definitely believe Campbell is the clear best option for our team. However, I'm wondering what is going to happen to him after the season? Yes I know, let's worry about that after the season. But you can't help to have that in the back of your mind.[/quote]

He had a slightly sprained ankle the week before. I am sure they gave him pain killers. But I am sure he still felt it. I saw him hop a little on a couple of his throws.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603592]He had a slightly sprained ankle the week before. I am sure they gave him pain killers. But I am sure he still felt it. I saw him hop a little on a couple of his throws.[/quote]

Zorn also mentioned on WPL yesterday that he dinged his right shoulder on the 1st sack he took on the 1st drive. That would explain (as the announcers pointed out) why he was so erratic in the 1st half.

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[quote=Chevy13;603503]Also by watching the MNF game I noticed Rodgers didn't have too much time (sacked 8 times) and he still throw for 384 yards and 2TD's with 1 pick not bad for a QB being pressured and hit so much, not bad for a QB who was on his 20th start. It is my opinion that JC will never be a dynamic QB like what Rodgers could potentially be. I think it'd be stupid to sit him now because wether he'll be a big time QB or not he's still playing well and is one of the very few bright spots of the team. I just cant help but notice that young QB's like rodgers (with half as many starts) just look like they have something special that JC will probably never have. I hope I'm wrong and he starts stepping it up even more and starts throwing some TDs (or find a coach that can call some plays that can actually help us score)[/quote]

I guess the difference is JC played bad and still won. Eventhough that doesn't matter much around here. I am sure things will be brought to the light with Sherm Lewis.

Rodgers came out the same year as Campbell. If Campbell learned from Favre I am sure he wold be a much better QB also. People dont understand how much you learn holding a clip board and watching the nuances of a Hall of Famer. Or just being able to sit back and learn a system for a few years until you are comfortable in a offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;603568]When was the last time we ran multiple vertical routes on the same play?[/quote]
well that would be one reason he can't keep his eyes downfield

I'm almost like Campbell.. between the TV view and waiting to see if he gets sacked, I don't get a good look at the WRs every play

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[quote=tryfuhl;603565]I want to see Campbell keep his eyes down the field field.. maybe a few fake looks/pumps to throw the D off, something that Favre does well and really showed off Monday night. When's the last time Campbell really did any of that?[/quote]

He did it last game. But it actually ended up in a INT (the second long attempt to Moss).

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Zorn said he looked into Campbell's ORBs. Good enough for me.

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[quote=skinsguy;603479]He had a terrible game, but I think there was something physically wrong. Either he had hurt is hand or hiding some other type of injury, because his passes seemed quite off in the first half. However, how many QBs can turn the ball over four times (three INTs one fumble) and still bring his team back for a win? Not too many! Usually when you turn the ball over more than three times, you lose the game.

Campbell hung in there, played better in the second half, and brought his team back from behind to win. I definitely believe Campbell is the clear best option for our team. However, I'm wondering what is going to happen to him after the season? Yes I know, let's worry about that after the season. But you can't help to have that in the back of your mind.[/quote]

What usually happens to our starting QBs (not named Brad Johnson or Trent Green) when we let them go? Gus, Ramsey, Brunell... it's like deja-vu all over again:Flush:

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[quote=Chevy13;603503]Also by watching the MNF game I noticed Rodgers didn't have too much time (sacked 8 times) and he still throw for 384 yards and 2TD's with 1 pick not bad for a QB being pressured and hit so much, not bad for a QB who was on his 20th start. It is my opinion that JC will never be a dynamic QB like what Rodgers could potentially be. I think it'd be stupid to sit him now because wether he'll be a big time QB or not he's still playing well and is one of the very few bright spots of the team. I just cant help but notice that young QB's like rodgers (with half as many starts) just look like they have something special that JC will probably never have. I hope I'm wrong and he starts stepping it up even more and starts throwing some TDs (or find a coach that can call some plays that can actually help us score)[/quote]

Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?

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[quote=skins89moss;603665]Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?[/quote]

..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.

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Doesn't matter. JC isn't the main problem, he doesn't have a line or receivers to throw to.

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[quote=skins89moss;603665]Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?[/quote]

Never fails. Orton,Cutler and how many other new QB's have changed not only offenses but TEAMS and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.

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[quote=skins89moss;603665]Remember Rogers has been in the same offense even when he did not play due to Brett Farve starting. JC had how many OC and offenses to learn?[/quote]

I'm sorry I don't buy that him learning different offenses affects him as much as most people here do. I'm not saying it won't make it hard for him because it's obviosly not the situation you want a young QB to be in but just making a pass sometimes is just that throwing the ball and I just don't see that unique spark you see from QB's like Brady or Favre. I understand that many of you see it but I just don't, I'm not saying your wrong It's just my opinion that he could still be a successful QB I don't want to keep giving excuses for why hasn't been even close to reaching his potential. I'm not willing to make that same excuse for the next 4 years...

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603670]..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.[/quote]

Yeah it would be neat to see JC throw off his back foot and off balance or throwing into triple coverage :silly:... No but it's a good point but I'm sorry I just don't see him becoming one of those elite QB's and I do agree that not having the weapons doesn't help

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[quote=Chevy13;603683]I'm sorry I don't buy that him learning different offenses affects him as much as most people here do. I'm not saying it won't make it hard for him because it's obviosly not the situation you want a young QB to be in but just making a pass sometimes is just that throwing the ball and I just don't see that unique spark you see from QB's like Brady or Favre. I understand that many of you see it but I just don't, I'm not saying your wrong It's just my opinion that he could still be a successful QB I don't want to keep giving excuses for why hasn't been even close to reaching his potential. I'm not willing to make that same excuse for the next 4 years...



Yeah it would be neat to see JC throw off his back foot and off balance or throwing into triple coverage :silly:... No but it's a good point but I'm sorry I just don't see him becoming one of those elite QB's and [B]I do agree that not having the weapons doesn't help[/quote]
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Last i checked Moss and Cooley were pretty good.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;603686][/B]

Last i checked Moss and Cooley were pretty good.[/quote]

Every once in a while..... :cool-smil They are good and I think JC is good I was just saying that imo Campbell doesnt show the spark that some QBs that have been starting less show. I was just saying that most people want to keep blaming it on him having to learn so many different offenses. He's a professinal QB and I can only use that excuse there are too many QBs playing well it sucks that he had to keep changing offenses but he should still be able to throw downfield and make some of the passes i don't see him making. A QB like Flacco seems to have a better understanding of how to run an NFL team even on his first year when he didn't know any offense but what he ran in college which won't be the same as an NFL offense. My point is there's QBs who have even more to learn and still succeed I can only blame so much of his lack of production on him learning new offenses but it shouldn't be used as the only reason to why he struggles to be an elite QB. I know ppl will keep blaming it on that and maybe they're right I'm just putting in my opinion I'm just a fan I don't know everything like some ppl here :cool-smil

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603670]..and who did he have to learn from? He definitely didn't have Favre..lol.[/quote]

Farve and Rodgers is a poor mans Montana and Young. Ironically those two also seemed to have a limited relationship to this day.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;603681]Never fails. Orton,Cutler and how many other new QB's have changed not only offenses but TEAMS and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.[/quote]

If I am not mistaken. Orton had been in one system. As well as Orton. Our WRs are better than [B]Marshall (Do you know who he is?) Royal & Stokley[/B]. Are you really serious? Both of these players have been in the same system for a while until this year. He isn't getting killed but he is not getting the best protection either. The line is at best so-so. How is our running game doing? Guess the line is doing good run blocking also. Oh I forgot CP is so old he can't play anymore. Then you say Zorn is the problem. But that doesn't affect QB play. Wasn't he brought in to help JC. How many offenses has JC been in? Please tell me. This is only his second year in Zorns offense. Were we running WCO before? Please come again. Have you been drinking tonight?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;603686][/B]

Last i checked Moss and Cooley were pretty good.[/quote]

and very consistent...... Ya you double Moss and there's not much threat left but I guess you only need one good receiver it... Warner has more and still struggles but I'm glad you beleive we have a good serious deep ball threat with more than one guy because I don't and I'd love to be wrong about that

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603690]If I am not mistaken. Orton had been in one system. As well as Orton. Our WRs are better than [B]Marshall (Do you know who he is?) Royal & Stokley[/B]. Are you really serious? Both of these players have been in the same system for a while until this year. He isn't getting killed but he is not getting the best protection either. The line is at best so-so. How is our running game doing? Guess the line is doing good run blocking also. Oh I forgot CP is so old he can't play anymore. Then you say Zorn is the problem. But that doesn't affect QB play. Wasn't he brought in to help JC. How many offenses has JC been in? Please tell me. This is only his second year in [B]Zorns defense.[/B] Were we running WCO before? Please come again. Have you been drinking tonight?[/quote]

Didnt know Zorn had a DEFENSE... please put down the bottle.

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[quote=Chevy13;603688]Every once in a while..... :cool-smil They are good and I think JC is good I was just saying that imo Campbell doesnt show the spark that some QBs that have been starting less show. I was just saying that most people want to keep blaming it on him having to learn so many different offenses. He's a professinal QB and I can only use that excuse there are too many QBs playing well it sucks that he had to keep changing offenses but he should still be able to throw downfield and make some of the passes i don't see him making. A QB like Flacco seems to have a better understanding of how to run an NFL team even on his first year when he didn't know any offense but what he ran in college which won't be the same as an NFL offense. My point is there's QBs who have even more to learn and still succeed I can only blame so much of his lack of production on him learning new offenses but it shouldn't be used as the only reason to why he struggles to be an elite QB. I know ppl will keep blaming it on that and maybe they're right I'm just putting in my opinion I'm just a fan I don't know everything like some ppl here :cool-smil[/quote]

OMG. Some people never get it. I am not coming down on you man. But Joe Flacco didn't have to put the team on his shoulders. . He has a running game and a awesome defense that spits out offenses. HE was brought into a situation where he was set up to suceed. The same goes for Ryan. The same goes for Sanchez. [B][SIZE=3]JC never had that[/SIZE][/B]. If anyone think learning a different play book every 2 and half years is good for a QB they are out of the freaking minds. This is not an excuse for campbell. But if he was in the same system for more than 2 years beginning as a rookie. Maybe he would be a lot further along.[B] No one is saying he is an elite QB[/B]. But he is not bad as people make him out to be and probably would be further along at this point. If you want to hate hate. Read the sig. But please use common sense. [B]No one is saying he is elite.[/B] You can't compare him to Favre and Manning or any of those guys. Because there aren't many guys like that period. If you blame anyone blame the FO for not having consistency in the coaching ranks and not allowing this guy to develop naturally. Get a effin clue.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;603692]Didnt know Zorn had a DEFENSE... please put down the bottle.[/quote]

I meant offense. Your lack of common sense is rubbing off on me. I guess that's the only thing you can pick out of what I said. Its corrected but your idiotic statement remains. You said we have better weapons than Denver. LMFAO.

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Did i say our wrs are better than Denver? no i said we have better wrs than some of the teams scoring more than us. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;603681]Never fails. [B]Orton,Cutler[/B] and how many other new QB's have [B]changed not only offenses but TEAMS[/B] and are still doing well? Im sorry but This excuse is OLD.
JC isnt getting killed in the pocket and [B]our wr's are better than some of these teams that are scoring more than us[/B]. Either its Zorn or its JC, id have to say both. IMO Zorn is in over his head and JC is still JC.[/quote]

Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion. :doh:

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603696]Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion. :doh:[/quote]

NO i said QB's like those 2 have changed teams and offenses, THEN which means different scenerio i said teams with wrs worse than ours are scoring more. So dont try to backpedal now that you misread and put your foot in your mouth.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603693]OMG. Some people never get it. [B]I am not coming down on you man[/B]. But Joe Flacco didn't have to put the team on his shoulders. . He has a running game and a awesome defense that spits out offenses. HE was brought into a situation where he was set up to suceed. The same goes for Ryan. The same goes for Sanchez. [B][SIZE=3]JC never had that[/SIZE][/B]. If anyone think learning a different play book every 2 and half years is good for a QB they are out of the freaking minds. This is not an excuse for campbell. But if he was in the same system for more than 2 years beginning as a rookie. Maybe he would be a lot further along.[B] No one is saying he is an elite QB[/B]. But he is not bad as people make him out to be and probably would be further along at this point. If you want to hate hate. Read the sig. But please use common sense. [B]No one is saying he is elite.[/B] You can't compare him to Favre and Manning or any of those guys. Because there aren't many guys like that period. If you blame anyone blame the FO for not having consistency in the coaching ranks and not allowing this guy to develop naturally. Get a effin clue.[/quote]

It's cool I don't mind :food-smil but you make good points and I understand completely what your saying I wasnt trying to make it seem like people are saying he's elite what I'm saying is watching him play I just don't see the potential or spark that those elite guys have or even the potential that some of these younger QBs have and I don't mean how the team plays overall I know that Flacco has a top notch defense and a good running game (CP aint to bad himself) I mean just how he plays on offense and how he leads the offense and I don't beleive Flacco's reveivers are much better than ours but he makes some nice plays and scores points. I don't think JC is bad and I never said that him changing play books is good for him or comparing him to Favre and those guys what I said is I don't see the potential in him to get there I don't see it and that's just an opinion Its great that some people see it like all these people with "common sense". I'm not trying to make it seem like what I'm saying is right and your wrong I'm just putting in my opinion. He is a professional athlete and knows how to play QB plain and simple that the plays change well that sucks that it's happened so often and obviously it's going to affect him be he should still be able to deliver the ball better than he has been (this year he's been a little better imo) but I don't think of him as a rookie that doesn't know what he's doing sometimes he knows how to deliver the ball because he's been playing as an NFL QB for a few years and I wish he could get the passing game going a little bit better like even some of these rookies did that also had a lot to learn in their first yr as a pro. If it is the whole learning new offense thing than I'm wrong and we're screwed because as soon as Zorn gets canned the next coach is going to come in and bring another offense and we're going to be here talking about how him learning new offense is affecting him for more years to come. I just wish we could get the pass game going and start scoring some TD's but once again no need to tell me to get an effin clue it's just an opinion relax you don't have to agree I read what you thought about it and saw you had good points I don't need to call you anything or give you any crap just cause you have an opionion thats different. If we all had the same opinion here there would be no use for this forum to discuss but your opinion is the one that matters so I'll get an "effin clue" when I don't agree with you :)

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603696]Writing is also fundamental. If you use Orton and Cutler as the QBs for your example that means you are including them in this discussion. :doh:[/quote]

You might need someone to help you read these posts because I supposedly said many things that weren't there. There's no need to assume or try to read more into what someone is trying to say, just read what they said and respond to that not what you think they are trying to say. You should try to be one of those sports journalists they like to twist and take things out of context all the time...

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[quote=Chevy13;603700]You might need someone to help you read these posts because I supposedly said many things that weren't there. There's no need to assume or try to read more into what someone is trying to say, just read what they said and respond to that not what you think they are trying to say. You should try to be one of those sports journalists they like to twist and take things out of context all the time...[/quote]

uh oh I hope he isn't going to say that Santana Moss sucks by what I just said.. oh dang now he's going to say I hate Cooley too....

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;603686][/B]

Last i checked Moss and Cooley were pretty good.[/quote]

Yeah your right Moss and Cooley are pretty good. But we did draft 3 WR and a TE in the last 2 drafts and they have not contributed a nickel to our offense thus far.

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[quote=Chevy13;603683]I'm sorry I don't buy that him learning different offenses affects him as much as most people here do. I'm not saying it won't make it hard for him because it's obviosly not the situation you want a young QB to be in but just making a pass sometimes is just that throwing the ball and I just don't see that unique spark you see from QB's like Brady or Favre. I understand that many of you see it but I just don't, I'm not saying your wrong It's just my opinion that he could still be a successful QB I don't want to keep giving excuses for why hasn't been even close to reaching his potential. I'm not willing to make that same excuse for the next 4 years...

[B]I'm not making excuses for JC I'm just stating that JC has not been in 1 system for more than 2 years since he has been here. You are comparing JC to Brady and Farve well not many QB's can live up to their careers. JC is still learning the game and he is getting better as he gets comfortable in the WC system. Remember JC was drafte by Gibbs to run his offense not the WC offense.[/B] Skins89moss
Yeah it would be neat to see JC throw off his back foot and off balance or throwing into triple coverage :silly:... No but it's a good point but I'm sorry I just don't see him becoming one of those elite QB's and I do agree that not having the weapons doesn't help[/quote]

We need our young WR group to get on board now to help us get out of this funk on offense.