Who would you get rid of for 2010?
 

I'm assuming that the rest of the year is going to go like the first third. Maybe that makes me pessimistic, but I just don't see it happening this year.

Portis' and Sellers' arguing the other day got me thinking about players on our roster who are still serviceable, but probably not going to be a part of the latest rebuilding effort in DC. So the question is, name players that could still have some trade value and/or represent addition by subtraction. Madden rules apply. (no salary cap considerations, draft status, just who needs to go)

My list:

1. Portis. Quite simply, the dude has lost more than a step. He's not really outrunning anyone anymore and his habit of tripping over his own feet when he does break free is frustrating. Couple that with the fact that he doesn't have the physical makeup to be a battering ram and an act that is increasingly wearing thin; and it's time to move on. (i understand this is borderline impossible with the cap)

2. Moss. Inconsistency is the new hallmark of his game. Lazy on some of his routes and hands that are becoming TO-like. Doesn't seem to have the makeup to be a veteran coach type player. Plus, he's one dimensional, once his wheels start to go, it's over. He's still fast so maybe trade him to the Raiders for two first round picks. (oh wait, we're not New England.)

3. Campbell. With our pick in the top 12 of the draft next year, I see us going QB, despite the needs we have at Oline. Campbell just needs to get the hell out of DC. He's a serviceable qb, but he's not going to carry a team with as many holes as the Redskins. I'd love to see a sign and trade for a mid round pick, but I doubt it happens. I can definitely see him succeeding somewhere else.

4. Laron Landry. What have you done in your time in DC? Hmm? Nothing... yup, sounds about right. Despite ridiculous physical gifts, you can't tackle to save your life. You're a strong safety trying to play free. I'm not sure some of the ineffectiveness hasn't been a result of scheme. I mean, does any other team in the league keep the free safety 25 yds off the line of scrimmage? That said, Horton and Doughty are proving to be "good enough" at SS, Landry probably has some value around the league. Really, my hearts not in this one but LL has been extremely disappointing.





(ok, let the "retarded thread" bashing begin. :woot:)

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;604930]I'm assuming that the rest of the year is going to go like the first third. Maybe that makes me pessimistic, but I just don't see it happening this year.

Portis' and Sellers' arguing the other day got me thinking about players on our roster who are still serviceable, but probably not going to be a part of the latest rebuilding effort in DC. So the question is, name players that could still have some trade value and/or represent addition by subtraction. Madden rules apply. (no salary cap considerations, draft status, just who needs to go)

My list:

1. Portis. Quite simply, the dude has lost more than a step. He's not really outrunning anyone anymore and his habit of tripping over his own feet when he does break free is frustrating. Couple that with the fact that he doesn't have the physical makeup to be a battering ram and an act that is increasingly wearing thin; and it's time to move on. (i understand this is borderline impossible with the cap)

2. Moss. Inconsistency is the new hallmark of his game. Lazy on some of his routes and hands that are becoming TO-like. Doesn't seem to have the makeup to be a veteran coach type player. Plus, he's one dimensional, once his wheels start to go, it's over. He's still fast so maybe trade him to the Raiders for two first round picks. (oh wait, we're not New England.)

3. Campbell. With our pick in the top 12 of the draft next year, I see us going QB, despite the needs we have at Oline. Campbell just needs to get the hell out of DC. He's a serviceable qb, but he's not going to carry a team with as many holes as the Redskins. I'd love to see a sign and trade for a mid round pick, but I doubt it happens. I can definitely see him succeeding somewhere else.

4. Laron Landry. What have you done in your time in DC? Hmm? Nothing... yup, sounds about right. Despite ridiculous physical gifts, you can't tackle to save your life. You're a strong safety trying to play free. I'm not sure some of the ineffectiveness hasn't been a result of scheme. I mean, does any other team in the league keep the free safety 25 yds off the line of scrimmage? That said, Horton and Doughty are proving to be "good enough" at SS, Landry probably has some value around the league. Really, my hearts not in this one but LL has been extremely disappointing.





(ok, let the "retarded thread" bashing begin. :woot:)[/quote]

I disagree with everyone you picked because I believe that the issues we have can be fixed. If JC shows more promise by years end and we draft o-line that will make Portis, JC & Moss better. Landry just need to wrap up plain and simple STOP trying to be SEAN TAYLOR.

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You keep contradicting yourself in item number 4. You keep saying that LL cannot make a takle, but he is better suited to play SS and might have some value somewhere else around the league as a SS.

A strong safety, if he can do nothing else, he had better be a sure tackler. In his rookie year the thing that Greg Williams complimented Landry on was the fact that he was a sure tackler. LL's problem, as pointed out by Redskin Warrior, is not an inability to tackle, but his desire to deliver the big hit like ST used to do. Landry just needs to get back to being the guy that got himself drafted and the guy that the whole defense was saying "we are better with him on the field". Whether he is playing SS or FS does not make a difference, he just needs to do the basic things and the big plays will come.

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1. Jason Campbell : He is an utter bust. Call out the O-Line all you want. Call out the receivers all that you want. Call out the systems all that you want. Call out the Coaches all that you want. This man refuses to call his own protections. How can you feel that a play doesn't work when you won't take the time out to learn the calls that will protect you ? He cannot beat a DB with a well timed throw. When he throws passes he has to see a players numbers before he throws it. His apparent accuracy is a joke. How many times have we been treated with the replay of a precise pass by JC. Let alone a precise deep ball that is supposed to be his best throw. There are first and second year QB's that are more acclimated to the NFL game than JC by a mile. The fact that you can have a back rush for over 1,400 yards and still look average. The repeated excuses that I've tried to make for Jason are always shot down on Sunday while watching his play. Whooo was that enough ?

2. Ladell Betts : Useless, plain and simple. There isn't really a use for him on this team. He wants to be a primary back on a team that has one. Hate Portis all that you want, put a QB on this team that defenses will respect and Portis can make teams pay. Bett's may be better suited to go somewhere else to get a shot at being the guy.

3. Fred Smoot : Nothing against him but his cap number is high. If we can lower it then he should stay.

4. Antwan Randel El : See Smoot reason

5. Randy Thomas : Ony reason,...injuries. Hurts me to say it because this guy has been a stud. Even though people blast Snyder for not addressing the line he did bring in Thomas at his prime. The line was actually pretty set also. I swear Thomas has been a great addition to this team.

6. Stephon Heyer : If we can find a stud RT in the draft then go ahead and put a guy there. Keep Heyer but for depth.

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I think the scheme has alot to do w/Landry's play and hope Blache will get more aggressive and use him more where his talents can be showcased. Portis stumbles over his own feet and won't practice. Even when healthy. I don't see him as a cancer as much as maybe just a case of Irritable Bowel Syndrome. He just pops up every once in awhile and s**ts all over himself and the team. I think Moss is about to have some big games and unless we have a viable #1 to replace him, he has to stay. The young receivers need to step up and Mitchell will hopefully get a chance soon. I really think at this point in the season it may be too soon to make calls on who should stay or go. I would like to draft a RB next year. Portis's act has definitely worn thin and I would have liked to have see him be a leader in practice instead of putting himself above everyone else. Some high picked o-lineman would do this team a world of good. JC has 12 more games and I'll reserve any judgement on him until the end of the season.

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Campbell is the only one I agree we need to get rid of, Portis may not be the break away back that we hope he 'd be, but he is still the best blocking back in the league. That reason alone is why I think we can't get rid of him. Moss can still play and is the best of our WR's right now. I agree with pretty much all you have to say about LaRon, but he is still in the top half of the better safeties in the league. I just think its more of blache not knowing how to use him, rather than landry himself. I think Greg Williams knew what he was doing with him, but obviously didn't have much time to do what he wanted to do with him, since he was a rookie, and GW left the next year. I think randy thomas needs to go, as well as daniels, andre carter, smoot, maybe rogers, and rabach.

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Smoot, El, Thomas, Collins, Daniels

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Those all sounded like good choices to me BB. Here's my list and why.

Randy Thomas. He's done. There's no reason to sign him anymore. He's just too broke up.

Clinton Portis. We need to part ways with him before his wheels fall completely off, not to mention all of the other BS he does.

Rock or Ladell. There's no reason to keep them both. Neither one has proven to be of any value lately. Ladell might be worth a low round pick to a desperate team, but I doubt it.

Renaldo Wynn. Who needs him when we have Jarmon and Orakpo?

Laron Landry. He doesn't know how to tackle.

As much as I'd like to get rid of some of the guys on the o-line, who would replace them? I'd draft o-line starters and keep guys like Raback as depth.

I wouldn't get rid of Soup just to pick up another QB. I'd play the QBs we have, Collins and Colt.

There a few players that are on the bubble like Smoot, but I'd keep them on the roster for depth and to teach the rookies.

What I see us needing is a safety to replace Landry, a beast LB, and o-line men. I think we have everything else. Perhaps a power back? The majority of the players need to come back and play as a team. I wasn't impressed with the powder puff training camp.

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oh yeah and Collins, Randy Thomas, Betts, Cartwright, and Wynn were supposed to be givens on my list.

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[quote=SmootSmack;604940]Smoot, El, Thomas, Collins, Daniels[/quote]

C'mon SS? You cut the only guy who has taken us to the play-offs?

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Yeah I forgot Daniels and Wynn

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I we finish .500 or worse then I would blow up the roster keeping only those guys that we have drafted in the past few years (Going back to Cooley) and those who were recently signed or resigned this past offseason. Yes, that means keeping Jason Campbell.

If we go 10-6 or better and make the playoffs then I say reload and add some free agent firepower for a Suberbowl push in the 2010 uncapped season.

If we finish at 9-7 or any other winning record without a playoff appearance, then flip a coin over which route to take.

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[quote=Angry;604933][B]You keep contradicting yourself in item number 4[/B]. You keep saying that LL cannot make a takle, but he is better suited to play SS and might have some value somewhere else around the league as a SS.

A strong safety, if he can do nothing else, he had better be a sure tackler. In his rookie year the thing that Greg Williams complimented Landry on was the fact that he was a sure tackler. LL's problem, as pointed out by Redskin Warrior, is not an inability to tackle, but his desire to deliver the big hit like ST used to do. Landry just needs to get back to being the guy that got himself drafted and the guy that the whole defense was saying "we are better with him on the field". Whether he is playing SS or FS does not make a difference, he just needs to do the basic things and the big plays will come.[/quote]

good call. I guess I was pointing out the tackling as a reason for him being a bust, but his lack of playmaking as a justification of him not being suited for FS. Tackling should be able to be fixed, just keep your damn eyes open when you go to hit someone!

Another reason to say goodbye to Portis and Moss is that they are links (symbolic and actual) to the only promising times of the last 5 years. They were part of an overall experiment that fell short of expectations. I think that people still cling to them as potential building blocks when those days have come and gone. We either need to completely rebuild or stick with what has not worked.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;604949]good call. I guess I was pointing out the tackling as a reason for him being a bust, but his lack of playmaking as a justification of him not being suited for FS. Tackling should be able to be fixed, just keep your damn eyes open when you go to hit someone!

Another reason to say goodbye to Portis and Moss is that they are links (symbolic and actual) to the only promising times of the last 5 years. They were part of an overall experiment that fell short of expectations.[B] I think that people still cling to them as potential building blocks when those days have come and gone.[/B] We either need to completely rebuild or stick with what has not worked.[/quote]

You bring up a good point. Do you think they are holding back other players from developing/excelling?

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betts, rabach, smoot, and zorn

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With our current team state I think it'd be best to list who you wouldn't get rid of.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;604943]C'mon SS? You cut the only guy who has taken us to the play-offs?[/quote]

Yeah he did but under Al Saunders offense he could actually coach that system he was in for 40 years.

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[quote=RedskinMike;604960]betts, rabach, smoot, and[B] zorn[/B][/quote]

And Zorn.....? No worries he'll never make it here long enough to see 2010. My guess is he'll by outta DC by the end of this month.

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Thomas, Betts, Daniels, Wynn, Suisham, and Smoot

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[quote=53Fan;604953]You bring up a good point. Do you think they are holding back other players from developing/excelling?[/quote]

Exactly. Moss is unquestionably the most talented receiver we have. That said, he's also increasingly inconsistent. You look at teams like the Giants who have thrown their young WRs into the fire and it's paid off in terms of development. The young guys can't get better if they don't play, and if Campbell's reads on every play are 1)Moss, 2)Cooley and 3) check it down to Portis, Kelly, Thomas and Davis are never going to be more than what they are right now.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;604932]I disagree with everyone you picked because I believe that the issues we have can be fixed. If JC shows more promise by years end and we draft o-line that will make Portis, JC & Moss better. Landry just need to wrap up plain and simple STOP trying to be SEAN TAYLOR.[/quote]

How do you fix a running back that is past his prime, isnt fast, and trips when wide open like the OP stated. Also maybe because of his previous ballhandling problems, he runs fulltime with both hands on the ball. He might not fumble much anymore but it decreases his breaking tackles.

As much as i dislike JC, i hope we use first pick for OL. Landry can improve and is still young, on the fence about seeing what we can get for him.

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Cerrato, Portis, Campbell, Thomas, Betts, Daniels, Wynn, Snyder.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;604967]Exactly. Moss is unquestionably the most talented receiver we have. That said, he's also increasingly inconsistent. You look at teams like the Giants who have thrown their young WRs into the fire and it's paid off in terms of development. The young guys can't get better if they don't play, and if Campbell's reads on every play are 1)Moss, 2)Cooley and 3) check it down to Portis, Kelly, Thomas and Davis are never going to be more than what they are right now.[/quote]

I do think more responsibility should be put on our young receivers. People who have a lot of responsibility put on them either raise their level of effort and put more into the challenge or fall by the wayside. I would like to see what we have. You can only be babied so long. Put it directly on them and let's see what they've got. If nothing else they should learn by their mistakes and become better.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;604965]And Zorn.....? No worries he'll never make it here long enough to see 2010. My guess is he'll by outta DC by the end of this month.[/quote]

Really? I'm itching to see if Snyder will pull the plug on Zorn mid-season, but I don't think he will. I think if this ship is gonna keep sinking, it's gonna keep sinking with Zorn at the helm till the end of the season (or very near it)

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I would love to see us package Portis and Moss and ship em to OAK for their entire draft.

Then we could get another shot at sqandering two whole drafts.

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Vinny.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;604964]Yeah he did but under Al Saunders offense he could actually coach that system he was in for 40 years.[/quote]

And without the physical tools that Jason Campbell had, he found a way to make this team a passing threat. Just because he was in the system for so long ? He had the same O-Line that JC couldn't play behind, the same receiviers that JC had, but he was successful. Defenses, especially the defenses that we played toward the end of that year counldn't take advantage of him.

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I know I'm going to get bashed, but assuming this yr is a bust and DS decides to finally call his "one player away" a failure and go "Rebuild" mode.....I'd blow up the team. Especially if there is no CAP.

J.Campbell
Collins
Portis
Betts
Cartwright
ARE
Moss
Yoder

Rebuild the whole O-line starting with extremely large, young, healthy players.

We have a good start with the D-line just a tweek here and there, then bring in more LB's and Safeties.

My concern is also that keeping anyone from the older systems might carry over the club med attitude which I would like to see gone.

Get a tough coach and players willing to work hard. Not just say they work hard.

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portis -- isn't worth the BS... and i'd rather have a back who is dangerous catching the ball out of the backfield and breaking off a big one than lighting up blitzers, as cool as that is..
carter -- forget orakpo at OLB... put him at RDE and send carter on his way... i'm not down on carter as many are, but he's best days are behind him and orakpo is better...
r. thomas -- why did we think he'd make it through the season?
rock -- i like his heart on special teams, but he keeps a roster spot from someone with more potential... he is what he is...
wynn, daniels -- not sure why we signed wynn anyway... god bless daniels, but he's past done... get jarmon in there as much as possible at LDE...
rabach -- he's way over the hill...
collins -- surprised he made the roster this season... i've never liked him...

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[quote=SBXVII;604994]I know I'm going to get bashed, but assuming this yr is a bust and DS decides to finally call his "one player away" a failure and go "Rebuild" mode.....I'd blow up the team. Especially if there is no CAP.

J.Campbell
Collins
Portis
Betts
Cartwright
ARE
Moss
Yoder

Rebuild the whole O-line starting with extremely large, young, healthy players.

We have a good start with the D-line just a tweek here and there, then bring in more LB's and Safeties.

My concern is also that keeping anyone from the older systems might carry over the club med attitude which I would like to see gone.

Get a tough coach and players willing to work hard. Not just say they work hard.[/quote]

I think I agree with all of that except Portis and Moss. Portis is definitely not the back he used to be but I'd rather get rid of Betts and Rock and get a young HB in here to start switching off with Portis and potentially get rid of him next year.

Moss I think is cut out for a #2 WR right now, sometimes I'm left questioning his effort. I'm ready for a real #1 WR.

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IMO the only guys worth keeping are Cooley, Haynesworth, Orakpo and maybe Fletcher. Everyone else can go as soon as the team can get rid of them.

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lets start with cerato and snyder....that should get us moving in the right direction

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Jason Campbell thats it

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[quote=diehardskin2982;605001]jason campbell thats it[/quote]

thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank you !

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Dyna, I agree with you in regards to Moss and Portis but my concern is that Portis with his closeness with DS. I wonder how much pull Portis has when he goes to DS with a complaint and why DS allows it. I don't care who we bring in as HC I would be scared that if Portis is not happy Portis will go to DS and complain and DS will find a way to make things right. Instead of telling him to listen to his HC.

My issue with Moss is he is, I feel he is on the decline. The last few yrs he has some sort of injury keeping him out of games, He has shown signs of giving up on his routes when he thinks the play should be over in his head. If I kept him it would be as a #2 or #3 WR to create a miss match against second and third tier CB's plus not over using him every game.

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[quote=SBXVII;605012]Dyna, I agree with you in regards to Moss and Portis but my concern is that Portis with his closeness with DS. I wonder how much pull Portis has when he goes to DS with a complaint and why DS allows it. I don't care who we bring in as HC I would be scared that if Portis is not happy Portis will go to DS and complain and DS will find a way to make things right. Instead of telling him to listen to his HC.

My issue with Moss is he is, I feel he is on the decline. The last few yrs he has some sort of injury keeping him out of games, He has shown signs of giving up on his routes when he thinks the play should be over in his head. If I kept him it would be as a #2 or #3 WR to create a miss match against second and third tier CB's plus not over using him every game.[/quote]

Agreed. Did you read that article in the news feed about Portis and Sellers getting into about Portis feeling that Sellers isn't blocking well enough for him?

When it rains in DC, it pours, eh?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;605013]Agreed. Did you read that article in the news feed about Portis and Sellers getting into about Portis feeling that Sellers isn't blocking well enough for him?

When it rains in DC, it pours, eh?[/quote]

Sellers isn't blocking or catching well this season

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i need we need to clear our cap in 2010. With the new cba that will be in place after 2010 it will be harder to have big numbers on the contract. Being an uncapped year, it will be best to do it this year. I am not stupid and know next to none of this will actually happen, but if we we can for cap reasons trade haynesworth (and maybe hall, but I think he might be too important to get rid of) and get rid of portis I think it will be extremely beneficial. I think we need to scrap our team and start anew. I think we need to draft a qb next year and get rid of campbell. I think our team is a joke as it is, and we need to start over which we won't be able to do unless we free up some cap space. This is because we don't have enough young talent to build purely through the draft, so we will need to pick up some key (young) free agents to help us along.

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[quote=WaldSkins;605014]Sellers isn't blocking or catching well this season[/quote]

And Portis isn't running well this season. Kinda a case of the pot calling the kettle black, IMO. (And yes, the line has something to do with that)

Report said that Portis wanted Sellers pulled during the Bucs game, which I think is kinda shitty.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;604967]Exactly. Moss is unquestionably the most talented receiver we have. That said, he's also increasingly inconsistent. You look at teams like the Giants who have thrown their young WRs into the fire and it's paid off in terms of development. The young guys can't get better if they don't play, and if Campbell's reads on every play are 1)Moss, 2)Cooley and 3) check it down to Portis, Kelly, Thomas and Davis are never going to be more than what they are right now.[/quote]

Thomas and Kelly have fallen victum to the same fate as Desmond Howard. He came here when we had Clark, Monk and Sanders, wrong place, wrong time. They come here with Moss Cooley & Randle El, thus their growth has been stunted.

Players that have worn out their usefullness:
Daniels, Wynn, Smoot, Cartwright, Betts & Rabach. There may be more by season's end.