If Chris Samuels does retire..?
 

If CS does get out while he can still walk and decide to retire. Which would not surprise me, do the SKINS pick up Runyan,Jones or some Tackle that can a least solidify this line for the season....

Or just suffer this one out, and get ready for the draft. I don't see this being very pretty with Big Mike and Heyer, for 11 games as are starting Left/Right Tackles.

What other solid Tackles are out there. And should the SKINS make a move or stand pat in your opinion?

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wow. samuels possibly out for season and career? that would be something.

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Honestly, I thought they should have picked up Runyan to start at RT during training camp. I'd like to see them pickup Runyan and Pete Kendall. I think they could both start on our line right now.

HAIL!

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I mean if were signing guys for 1 year deals... I dont see why not... Unless they think they have something long term in the guys who are here now (Montgomery, Reinhardt, Williams, Williams, Heyer, ect)... cause people would have to be cut. I'd think we would be much better off with guys like Runyan and Kendall this season, but long term I think this thing is getting blown up anyways, so who knows. I'll be rooting for the Skins' to win every single sunday, and hope they win out and win the super bowl... but reality is setting in, and going 4-12 might be the best thing for this franchise long term.

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He should hang em up, it's not worth being paralyzed from an injury.

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[quote=Gmanc711;608898]I mean if were signing guys for 1 year deals... I dont see why not... Unless they think they have something long term in the guys who are here now (Montgomery, Reinhardt, Williams, Williams, Heyer, ect)... cause people would have to be cut. I'd think we would be much better off with guys like Runyan and Kendall this season, but long term I think this thing is getting blown up anyways, so who knows.[B] I'll be rooting for the Skins' to win every single sunday, and hope they win out and win the super bowl[/B]... but reality is setting in, and going 4-12 might be the best thing for this franchise long term.[/quote]

I'll second that! And I'll be there rooting my team on.

But I don't see any harm in a one year deal to anchor this line with Runyan/Jones and I never understood why they didn't bring back Pete after RT went down.

I hope the Buges really doesn't think these guys that are starting this week can get it done against any team. Maybe 32 years in the biz is one to many!

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I think Samuels is done, unless the skins hire a coach (and possibly GM) to make Sanuels think he's got a legitimate shot at going to a superbowl. Otherwise, there's no use in him risking his health/life further. I forsee at least 3, and probably 4, new starting offensive line players next year (Dock's the only "lock.")

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yeah i was likin the runyan option to before the season began. lots of eagles fans ive talked to said in their opinion he could still contribute for this year.

man, i really hope samuels isnt gone forever. samuels, randy thomas and fletcher are the only real skins that remind me of what skins football used to be.

if he does retire, i hope the pos the DS does him right and honors and thanks him for all that samuels has done and gone through with this team.

go skins!!

go skins!!

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The Redskins are the Jacksonville Jaguars of last year. They lost 3 starters and had a horrible season, then drafted 2 starters this year.

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For Samuels to end things like this must be heartbreaking for him, but he's got to do what's right for his future.

I say we just ride it out with what we have right now. And then act in the offseason. Short of acquiring a linebacker through free agency, I don't want us to add any defensive players, the focus should be entirely on offense-OL, RB, and possibly QB

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;608911]I think Samuels is done, unless the skins hire a coach (and possibly GM) to make Sanuels think he's got a legitimate shot at going to a superbowl. [SIZE=4]Otherwise, there's no use in him risking his health/life further.[/SIZE] I forsee at least 3, and probably 4, new starting offensive line players next year (Dock's the only "lock.")[/quote]

There are milllions of reason for him to play.

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take a look at Batiste this week at LT. Keep Dock, Rabach, Monty (Rinehart when healthy ??)Heyer in place across the OL. If Batiste shows no improvement, get the best LT option available. We all know LT is the greatest need this off-season. However we need to be 100% on the decision on JC. Can't evaluate fairly with no OL protection.

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If he leaves that will be the last of our two first round draft picks from '99. We had the 2nd and 3rd overall and now ten years later they are no longer on our team...time flies.

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sure does skinny. shoot, i remember seeing lavar dive over guys to block that last second field goal to secure the win for penn state like it was yesterday. then we drafted him and samuels. thankfully the browns took courtney brown. . . . .like it was yesterday and now samuels may be gone.

go skins!!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;608923]take a look at Batiste this week at LT. Keep Dock, Rabach, Monty (Rinehart when healthy ??)Heyer in place across the OL. If Batiste shows no improvement, get the best LT option available. We all know LT is the greatest need this off-season.[B] However we need to be 100% on the decision on JC[/B]. Can't evaluate fairly with no OL protection.[/quote]

I think most people in football are 100% in that JC has not progressed far enough by now in this league, and I agree. He IS DONE IN DC, he has 11 weeks to prove himself for some other team.

And certainly in DC that decision HAS BEEN made quite some time ago, like last off season. And I think they were spot on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608920]For Samuels to end things like this must be heartbreaking for him, but he's got to do what's right for his future.

I say we just ride it out with what we have right now. And then act in the offseason. Short of acquiring a linebacker through free agency, I don't want us to add any defensive players, the focus should be entirely on offense-OL, RB, and possibly QB[/quote]

Possibly QB? There's no way JC is our QB next year. No matter how bad our line gets, I am 95% sure our next HC will be Gruden or Shanahan. If thats the case, you know we're drafting a QB in round 1 and we may even trade up to get him.

If recent history has taught me anything, its that Snyder and Cerrato don't understand the purpose and necessity of a good offensive line. Unless Snyder hires a real team president and GM, we'll have a patched up OL next year that has no more depth than we did this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608920]For Samuels to end things like this must be heartbreaking for him, but he's got to do what's right for his future.

[B]I say we just ride it out with what we have right now. And then act in the offseason. [/B]Short of acquiring a linebacker through free agency, I don't want us to add any defensive players, the focus should be entirely on offense-OL, RB, and possibly QB[/quote]

We certainly should not be spending any draft picks to acquire someone.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;608923]take a look at Batiste this week at LT. Keep Dock, Rabach, Monty (Rinehart when healthy ??)Heyer in place across the OL. If Batiste shows no improvement, get the best LT option available. We all know LT is the greatest need this off-season. However we need to be 100% on the decision on JC. Can't evaluate fairly with no OL protection.[/quote]

I think they saw enough last week to know that D'Anthony is not the answer. the plan is to move Heyer to LT put Big Mike Williams at RT, Dockery at LG and Montgomery at RG. kinda like patching up an old car.

Look at the bright side, if samuels is done for the year it frees up a spot to bring in another RB.....

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It's not an if in my mind. He has played his last game in my opinion.

It's actually been quite incredible that he has played this long but Samuels was never going to be able to outrun the inevitable bone changes that occur with age. Coupled with his preexisting spinal stenosis; it was only a matter of time until he became symptomatic. Once these symptoms occur--his risk for complications, i.e. paralysis, jumps up even further. Therefore, I am sure his docs are strongly advising he hang it up now.

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[quote=DFI;608946]I think they saw enough last week to know that D'Anthony is not the answer. the plan is to move Heyer to LT put Big Mike Williams at RT, Dockery at LG and Montgomery at RG. kinda like patching up an old car.

[B]Look at the bright side, if samuels is done for the year it frees up a spot to bring in another RB[/B].....[/quote]

:laughing2 Would it really surprise anyone?

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What a shitty year for skins fans!! I wish it was April already

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[quote=53Fan;608950]:laughing2 Would it really surprise anyone?[/quote]


wouldnt suprise me, thats what they did last time......

The O Line is not important, if you don't believe me just ask danny and vinnie

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While I love Chris Samuels and wish him nothing but the best (especially with his health in this case), maybe this is the kind of thing that needed to happen to see sweeping changes. The offensive line has totally come apart (Stephon Heyer at LT?? Mike Williams? Really?), and that falls squarely on Cerrato. He did nothing to bolster the O-line in the offseason, and it has blown up in his face. Gotta wonder how long he's going to keep getting a pass. He's getting ripped by players, the media, and the fans for his repeated blunders.

I know things were bad at the end of the brief Spurrier era, but I don't ever remember such loud cries for changes to our overall organizational structure since Danny bought the team.

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I hope Samuels retires with his health intact. He has been a great Skin since day one and I would like to see him go out that way.

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I know we've had a poll on this issue, but in terms of his position, he is certainly one of the top 3 left tackles to every play for us. (Jacoby/Lachey as 1-2 and Samuels as 3 easily).

Thanks for the years of excellent play. Retire in good health.

F' you front office for not having his replacement in the wings.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;608951]What a shitty year for skins fans!! I wish it was April already[/quote]

For me, it's been April ever since we lost to the lions. I wish Samuels all the best, and really hope this isn't career threatening, but from what I've heard, it is. He's one of the greatest redskin lineman of all time, and I wish him the best if it is farewell. If we put him on IR or Retired list, we need to get either Levi Jones or John Runyan, let them play the year out, then have our first pick be a Tackle.

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[quote=Lotus;608943]We certainly should not be spending any draft picks to acquire someone.[/quote]

While you say that, i think theres a pretty good chance vinny is on the line with San Diego offering our first and 2nd round picks in next years draft for Merriman and LT.

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Joe, good post. exactly how i feel. year after year, the skins trot these old guys out there, seemingly with no plan if someone gets injured. i guess now this kind of forces their hand. and just say no to Runyan. let some of the younger guys play. we have to find out as a team if any of them can play in this league. does anyone really know if Rinehart is NFL quality? and this is his 3rd season?

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[quote=dmek25;608974]Joe, good post. exactly how i feel. year after year, the skins trot these old guys out there, seemingly with no plan if someone gets injured. i guess now this kind of forces their hand. and just say no to Runyan. let some of the younger guys play. we have to find out as a team if any of them can play in this league. does anyone really know if Rinehart is NFL quality? and this is his 3rd season?[/quote]

2nd season, he was a rook last year

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If he retires I will wish him the best, and remember him and Jansen as one of the best duo's we've had. It's a shame neither was able to hold the Lombardi up once. :(

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Wishing the best for Samuels , true warrior for the Skins . As far as OL , Sign 2 in F/A and use one < or both > of our first two picks on the OL . The Jets did just that with drafting Ferguson/Mangold .

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really he needs to hang it up health in tact

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Yes, Samuels retirement would be another hole added to the multitude of holes that we need to fill on our team.

LT, RT, Guard, Center (maybe), RB, QB, and possibly CB w/ CR most likely leaving via FA

Personally, it would be a bummer to see CS retire. He's gotta do what's best though.

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redsk1,

All of those needs are really making it a downer to be a Skins fan. I would say you can't possibly do it in one offseason - maybe we get one offensive lineman via free agency but the good ones are rarely let go by other teams.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608920]For Samuels to end things like this must be heartbreaking for him, but he's got to do what's right for his future.

I say we just ride it out with what we have right now. And then act in the offseason. Short of acquiring a linebacker through free agency, I don't want us to add any defensive players, the focus should be entirely on offense-OL, RB, and possibly QB[/quote]

I agree, It's certainly going to be a tremendous loss in the event Samuels can't return, but his future is more important than football.

Temporary fixes are not the answer. Pete Kendall and John Runyan have been mentioned, but there's a reason why Kendall is not here already, the man is 37yrs old and cannot practice due to his arthritic knees. John Runyan will want more than the Redskins are willing to pay, plus we don't know the physical condition of either guy at this stage of the season.

If Samuels' career is finished, we need to look to the draft the same way we got him ten yrs. ago, build the O-line with young men that have an extended future. He's been a great Redskin that has solidified the left side for a long time. It would be great if he could recover.

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Schneed/Smootsmack/other knowledgaeable Salary Cap Fans:

Besides just talking about replacements if Samuels leaves what about the salary cap ramifications of him retiring due to injury - is there any exemption to the hit on our cap if the Skins lose him to a career ending injury? If no I looked at the Cap information on this site and in 2010 Samuels release fee is $14.5 million - if the league were to work out a new collective barganining agreement would the release of Samuels basically cause next year to be over before we know it as we would either have to just let go of a lot of expensive veterans or would the Skins FO redo a massive amount of contracts further hampering our cap future?

I have seen a lot of other posters say maybe Samuels retiring is the best thing as it would cause a complete rebuild/flushing out of high priced veterans and using low priced veterans and really using the draft to build the team for several years. Watching the new guys would be tough for the first couple of years but at least us Skins fans would know that we are finally committed to using a different approach of building the team mainly through the draft and using free agency as a suppliment.

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[quote=Bill B;609032]Schneed/Smootsmack/other knowledgaeable Salary Cap Fans:

Besides just talking about replacements if Samuels leaves what about the salary cap ramifications of him retiring due to injury - is there any exemption to the hit on our cap if the Skins lose him to a career ending injury? If no I looked at the Cap information on this site and in 2010 Samuels release fee is $14.5 million - if the league were to work out a new collective barganining agreement would the release of Samuels basically cause next year to be over before we know it as we would either have to just let go of a lot of expensive veterans or would the Skins FO redo a massive amount of contracts further hampering our cap future?

I have seen a lot of other posters say maybe Samuels retiring is the best thing as it would cause a complete rebuild/flushing out of high priced veterans and using low priced veterans and really using the draft to build the team for several years. Watching the new guys would be tough for the first couple of years but at least us Skins fans would know that we are finally committed to using a different approach of building the team mainly through the draft and using free agency as a suppliment.[/quote]I think the team can place him on the reserve/retired list, and then doesn't have to pay his non-guaranteed salaries without being forced to immediately accelerate the unrealized guaranteed contract money.

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[quote=dmek25;608974]Joe, good post. exactly how i feel. year after year, the skins trot these old guys out there, seemingly with no plan if someone gets injured. i guess now this kind of forces their hand. and just say no to Runyan. [B]let some of the younger guys play[/B]. we have to find out as a team if any of them can play in this league. does anyone really know if Rinehart is NFL quality? and this is his 3rd season?[/quote]

What younger guys are you talking about.....? Oh you mean Heyer, I think we know the answer to that Terp project. Ok, maybe as a backup. But certainly not a starter in this league, well except for the Skins!

And Rhino....he's lacking a little confidence, but he really is getting pushed around like a girl. That should about answer that.

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[quote=GTripp0012;609062]I think the team can place him on the reserve/retired list, and then doesn't have to pay his non-guaranteed salaries without being forced to immediately accelerate the unrealized guaranteed contract money.[/quote]


thanks for the update GTripp - hopefully they can spread over many years.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608920]For Samuels to end things like this must be heartbreaking for him, but he's got to do what's right for his future.

I say we just ride it out with what we have right now. And then act in the offseason. Short of acquiring a linebacker through free agency, I don't want us to add any defensive players, the focus should be entirely on offense-OL, RB, and possibly QB[/quote]
Agreed.. we're not in it to win it this year, so go with what you have and see where they end up

The only reason not to is if you're protecting your franchise QB, which I don't see as the case