Anyone hear Cerrato on DC101?
 

Vinny Cerrato was on Elliot in the Morning this morning. He talked about how even after Gibbs said he'd come back they kept interviewing and didn't let anyone know Gibbs showed interest. Kept going just incase it fell through, etc.

Then he talked about getting tons of offers for Ramsey then turning them down.

The most important to me were the five players he listed for the draft:
Kellen Winslow Jr.
Sean Taylor
Tommie Harris
Vince Wilfolk
and Will Smith

as their list of potential draftees. I'm pretty sure that's the right order, Smith would have been above Wilfolk. Personally I hope for Taylor or Winslow just because of the huge impact they could have right away, however I was a bit suprised he didn't say Udeeze. Maybe it was a ploy for other teams (that listen to the hugely syndicated Elliot in the morning...) or they aren't interested in him. He mentioned that Gibbs loves the two TE system and they have a blocking TE but might need a catching TE. I personally think Royal has the talent to be an excellent receiver TE, but it definitly made me wonder if they don't have him targeted.

They did say that they didn't ever want to see Warren Sapp in a 'skins uniform and he wasn't the right type of player for us (hurray!)

Edit: I was kind of curious about the punter situation since I knew Hall loved having Barker as a holder. Cerrato mentioned that Tupa and Hall played together at the Jets for 3 or 4 years. Tupa was his holder. Nice to have a famillier duo at work again.

Another thing he mentioned was the first mini-camp was March 25th. He said come on out, but wasn't sure if he was talking to Elliot or the whole listening audience. Any idea if mini-camps might be open? I always though they were closed to the public.

I didn't hear it, but my girlfriend did (unless she's lying to me again)- said he mentioned why we didn't try to sign Kearse: money. Just too many other team needs.

From what you heard it's looking more and more like Winslow. Thanks for the info. I read somewhere that STaylor's workout was crappy- he was slow and out of shape so he could fall a couple spots. I'm still a huge fan though.

Also heard Wilfork had a monster camp and will almost definitely move up some. He's a really intriguing pick. If he can keep his weight in check, and remember to play every down he could easily become a dominant DT.

Can't help but think we're going to add to the DLine somehow. I haven't heard if BNoble is even expected to play next season.

I'm just afraid Wilfolk would eat Trung before we could trade him.

:D Daseal

I'm serious, that guy's going on 450 lbs...

Well 350 anways. He was 330 on pro day and that really sent his stock soaring.

Lol. That's hilarious, Daseal. :d

Well if he eats Trung, maybe it will be like the canibals believe - he absorbs the victims 'power' Maybe we'll have a 450lb DT that can run a 4.3 40! :)

Incidentally, if Taylor is slated to drop 1 or 2 places, anyone think it's worth the risk traindg down to try and grab him AND other picks?

I think the Lions might grab him. They have so many holes who knows. They could trade down to the Texans or GB and get whatever they wanted for Taylor.

Several Mocks
 

Several of the 108 Mocks over on hailredskins.com draft board have the Lions stepping up to take Taylor at #6. I especially enjoy the fact that they compare only our spot at #5 among as many Mocks that have posted their picks.

Never worry about the salary cap my fellow redskin fans. We still can cut
Trung (we need to avoid his salary cap hit like he avoids hits on the field by dancing around east and west) anyday. How much would that put us under the cap? and ohh yeah Mr. Snyder after the draft get Smootie an extension we need to start having more Redskins for life. No more Stephen Davis debacles.

Noble is expected to play and its said that the coaches have been impressed by his workouts and cant wait to see him at camp.

I would be really disappointed if we took Windlow over tayler. We need some defense in the worst way. We don't want to be the Chiefs or Vickings, great offense with no defense. I think the only thing that should be a givin with our first round pick is that is should be a defensive player. I would take Tayler, he's a special player. The only reason why he was out of shape at his pro day was because he has had a hamstring injury and hasn't been able to workout. Thats also why is 40 time was kind of slow. That is if you consider a 4.5 slow for a safety.

If he eats Trung, does Trung still count against our salary cap?

I would take Winslow if he is still there and if not get Taylor. Ohalette and Bowen had more tackles than Roy Williams last year. At safety we could survive. the secondary were ball hogs last year but Spurrier had the car in reverse. Either one is a good pick. It will take a couple years to reach the Super Bowl. Let's get Winslow he will make the money Snyder spent on Coles, Brunnell, Portis, and the o-line worth more. Miami is not gonna keep making unstoppable tight ends forever. but if Winslow is gone take Taylor i wish we could get both of them.

[COLOR=Red]i'm convinced the skins are gonna take winslow jr.i just do not think gibbs can pass up such an outstanding tightend.do'nt forget the genetics this kid brings either.plus i think by gibbs knowing his dad for so long and even coaching him in san diego,will find it easier to sign the kid and not have a holdout.[/COLOR]
by the way,is'nt the qb from kentucky up close to 300lbs?
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If Winslow can keep his mouth shut, I wouldn't mind having him. It certainly would give the O an extra dimension. Taylor would be great as well...
I like the idea of taking one of those two rather than trading down.

Winslow isn't really THAT big of a talker. He's a special player and I wouldn't be upset one bit if we drafted him. However I feel Taylor and Winslow are our two choices.

As far as not having any D. The Vikes and the Chiefs would KILL for our current secondary and LB crew.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of having a top notch TE like Winslow. I'm sure Gibbs would find a way to get more involved in the offense, just because his offense historically didn't feature the TE doesn't mean he can't start now.

A TE like Winslow would do wonders for opening things up on the outside for Coles and Gardner. Now that would be a scary offense, Brunell, Portis, Coles, Gardner and Winslow!? Wow!

I have a friend who's a die hard Miami fan and watches all their games. From what he says Winslow is a lot better blocker than what people say and has the hands of a top notch receiver. Not to mention the perfect mix of speed and power. He's definitly a good choice, but I think Taylor is good too. I think the deciding factor will be personallity and work ethic for Gibbs.

I'm fine with both, but leaning towards Taylor. And I'm an offensive guy!

The defensive scheme williams goes with will affect a lot. I know we were speculating the 4-6 D a while back, but it seems like the chances of that has all but disappeared. However with a mediocre line in front of us and great LB / Dback signings we might be doing it. Who knows! If we are I think Taylor is important!

[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]i think the offesive side of gibbs will come out and he'll take winslow.just call it a feeling.[/FONT]
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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The more I think about it the more I like the idea of having a top notch TE like Winslow. I'm sure Gibbs would find a way to get more involved in the offense, just because his offense historically didn't feature the TE doesn't mean he can't start now.

A TE like Winslow would do wonders for opening things up on the outside for Coles and Gardner. Now that would be a scary offense, Brunell, Portis, Coles, Gardner and Winslow!? Wow![/QUOTE]

Mattyk, by adding Winslow how do you see McCants and Jacobs fitting in? Also, do you think Chad Morton will be a big part of the offense?

Or he'll look at how the D played last year (like that long TD to Miami, for instance) and feel that he needs to bolster his secondary and go for Taylor. Who knows what will end up happening on draft day.
Matt Millen may pull a Ditka and trade his entire next 2 drafts just to swap spots with us to choose Winslow.

I heard Taylor's work out went well. 4.5 in the 40 for a 6'3" 230 pound safety is great.
All the U. of Miami players ran on a slow grass field. Only two WR's ran a slighly faster time than Sean on that day, everyone else was slower, including TE Kellen Winslow.
I think teams are starting to to send out misinformation. They hope Taylor will slide out of the top 5. I know several teams are drooling to get Taylor. Taylor is #1 on the Lions board and they have the 6th pick.
Taylor ranks 3rd on Mel Kiper's draft board (based on pure talent-not on team needs or draft order) only behind Larry Fitzgerald and Mike Williams.
A very respected unidentified GM said, "Sean Taylor has a rare combination of size, speed, strength and agility... brutally hard hitter who also displays excellent skills as a coverage man and in run support... maybe the next Ronnie Lott"
I say we take him!

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I heard Taylor's work out went well. 4.5 in the 40 for a 6'3" 230 pound safety is great.
All the U. of Miami players ran on a slow grass field. Only two WR's ran a slighly faster time than Sean on that day, everyone else was slower, including TE Kellen Winslow.
I think teams are starting to to send out misinformation. They hope Taylor will slide out of the top 5. I know several teams are drooling to get Taylor. Taylor is #1 on the Lions board and they have the 6th pick.
Taylor ranks 3rd on Mel Kiper's draft board (based on pure talent-not on team needs or draft order) only behind Larry Fitzgerald and Mike Williams.
A very respected unidentified GM said, "Sean Taylor has a rare combination of size, speed, strength and agility... brutally hard hitter who also displays excellent skills as a coverage man and in run support... maybe the next Ronnie Lott"
I say we take him![/QUOTE]
I read today where Taylor didn't have a good showing - slower than expected and wasn't in the best of shape. I still think we should take him, though.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]I read today where Taylor didn't have a good showing - slower than expected and wasn't in the best of shape. I still think we should take him, though.[/QUOTE]

That is propaganda...misinformation.

Who cares about a 40 time or work out in early March? Emmitt Smith had a slow 40 time in his work out and he was drafted in the bottom of the 1st round. Two super bowls later, the NFL's all-time leading rusher will retire and get inducted to the hall of fame. How well a guy works outs and 40 time does not determine how good of a football player you will be. If so Trung Canidate and Mike Mamula would be the best players in the NFL.

They should hang a picture of Emmitt's O line up in the HOF for leading rusher, not him!

I heard someone else post Taylor was coming off a Hammy injury. If he runs that well with a hamstring, then the kid must blaze like DeAngelo Hall!

[QUOTE=Daseal] I have a friend who's a die hard Miami fan and watches all their games. From what he says Winslow is a lot better blocker than what people say and has the hands of a top notch receiver. Not to mention the perfect mix of speed and power.[/QUOTE]
I've heard similar things from various sources. Winslow's blocking ability has really been underplayed on this board. Not being a big college football fan, I didn't get to see much of him during the season, and assumed that because he had a reputation for being such a great pass-catcher, he was probably not a very good blocker. Apparently, that couldn't be further from the truth.

[QUOTE=Daseal]He's definitly a good choice, but I think Taylor is good too. I think the deciding factor will be personallity and work ethic for Gibbs.

I'm fine with both, but leaning towards Taylor. And I'm an offensive guy! [/QUOTE]
I'm okay with either one, too, but I just have an uneasy feeling in my gut about the defense right now, whereas I feel pretty comfortable with the offensive players that are already on the roster. I feel like Taylor is the safer and more beneficial pick for the team overall.

[QUOTE=Daseal]The defensive scheme williams goes with will affect a lot. I know we were speculating the 4-6 D a while back, but it seems like the chances of that has all but disappeared. However with a mediocre line in front of us and great LB / Dback signings we might be doing it. Who knows! If we are I think Taylor is important! [/QUOTE]
I'm sure Gregg Williams is licking his chops at the thought of having Taylor to use in any scheme, though the 46 would be ideal for a hybrid safety like him. But like you said, if we don't take Taylor, the 46 is a no-go.

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I heard Taylor's work out went well.[/QUOTE]I heard just the opposite... his workout sucked ass. He came in fat and out of shape. He had a low number of reps and tweaked his hammy during the run (an excuse?). I still want him though.

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Mattyk, by adding Winslow how do you see McCants and Jacobs fitting in? Also, do you think Chad Morton will be a big part of the offense?[/QUOTE]
I can see McCants and Jacobs both fitting in nicely, Gibbs runs alot of 3 WR sets so both should have an opportunity to make plays. I'd give the edge to McCants right now based on what little we saw from Jacobs last year, but then again with a new staff everyone is starting off on the same page again so who knows.

I'm not sure about Morton now that Portis is on board. Portis is a 3 down player, but Gibbs has in the past seemed to like to rotate his backs as they all had a role, goal line back, 3rd down back, etc.

Morton surprised me last year, if he impresses Gibbs in camp I'm sure he'll find a way to work him into the mix.

as far as working Winslow in the offense if he's drafted, I've heard gibbs would use him as the h-back where he could get about 60 catches as well as some 2 tightend formations.

I know this wasn't meant to be brought up when mentioning emitt smith but does anyone else hate hearing people dub him the "greatest running back" just because he broke the record? it's not just the fact that he was a cowboy because despite that he was an execellent running back. sometimes it just seems to be forgotten about what jim brown accomplished and more recently how close Barry Sanders was to the record and suddenly retiring. I mean, barring any injury, when sanders retired he was roughly a season's work away from being the all-time rushing leader and yet it took smith what 3 more years I think. maybe I'm only one of a few people who feels this way but it just irks me to no end. I also think Bo Jackson would have smashed all the records if he hadn't had that career ending hip injury. and he would have done it while still playing baseball he was that good of an athlete.

3 more years? Sanders only played for like 6. Sanders is hands down THE BEST RUNNING BACK OF ALL TIME. Bo Jackson was an amazing athlete too. I have a bunch of Barry Sanders clips on my computer~ I watch him every week!

20 Yr. Olds!
 

20 yr olds! You never saw Jim Brown!
My favorite Redskin RB was #43, Larry Brown! Small, tough as nails, ran the ball 30-38 times a game! But was over-used. Yes, I've seen Riggo & Stephen, but Larry Brown did it with no O line! I'd be surprised if he is able to walk today.

I like Taylor over Winslow, but will gladly trade down for a stud DE and more picks. DE is not the pick at #5.

the H-back is very important in the scheme of things. Winslow would be in a perfect situation to excel his father was on an offense that was unstoppable i see Gibbs coming out and lighting up the score board. the defense will improve as the season goes on but the O needs to score to get some early wins in and give the defense good situations to play in. I say Winslow all the way unless someone gives us a hell of a deal for the #5 then we get taylor and one of those D-linemen everybody crying about.

that makes sense to me joethiesmanfan. I think the defense will get better over the season but as of our offense has the capabilities to be a juggernaut with a player like winslow playing the h-back in Gibbs' offense. I also beleive that for the first time in the snyder era, we won't have to worry about chemistry issues since gibbs is bringing in a lot of guys who won't rock the boat and know how to do their job. I don't know about anyone else but I can't wait to play as joe gibbs' redskins next season on madden football.

[QUOTE=EEich]I heard just the opposite... his workout sucked ass. He came in fat and out of shape. He had a low number of reps and tweaked his hammy during the run (an excuse?). I still want him though.[/QUOTE]

LOL
What reputable source did you hear that from KellenWinslowFAN or the Detriot Lions GM?
Sean actually weighed in two pounds less than his playing weight. Read below.

Here is his official work out results form PRO DAY at U. of Miami, according to NFL.com,
" Taylor stood in at 6-2½, weighed 228 pounds (two pounds less than at the combine), and ran three times for a 4.51 average. He added 11 strength reps, a 10-foot-1 long jump, a 35-inch vertical jump, and opted not to run any of the shuttle drills.

I may be wrong, but didn't Gibbs (with Zampesi on the same staff) help create the Air-Coryell offense that featured KW's dad? Yeah, sure, Gibbs loves a blocking TE, but when he had access to a really great pass catcher, he lit it up. I bet we pick Winslow.

Of course, if we pick Taylor, that'd be great too. And a good trade down also makes sense, given our need for a pass rusher.

Like I said on another post, it's win-win. This is Spurrier's gift to us (that and quiting just in time for Gibbs to return!).

[FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]gibbs was an assisstant under don coryell at st louis and san diego.i do'nt know if zampesi was on the staff or not though.he was winslow sr's oc in san diego.i think winslow jr is just too tempting for gibbs and the skins to pass up.[/FONT]
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