Zorn to stupid too relay plays from Lewis to QB??
 

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/21/skins-calling-an-audible-on-zorns-role-in-sending-plays-to-the-field/]'Skins calling an audible on Zorn's role in sending plays to the field | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]
I think he might of just not wanted to be involved in the "chain of communication" how the article says but i don't know...

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He may be experiencing some growing pains right now, but I wouldn't call him stupid. He's not stupid.

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Interesting indeed.. wonder when/if it comes out who decided on this.. or "strongly suggested" it

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Zorn's certainly not stupid (he probably knows what a homonym is for one thing), in over his head-perhaps? Stupid? No

What's interesting is that he's basically been put completely out of the loop so what happens if we lose badly on Monday? Is he going to just be like "Well, I had nothing to do with this. So you can't get rid of me now."

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Eeeeeeyyyy Yoouuuu Guuuuys!

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i think zorn wants to be removed from the equation entirely so when we lose and Snyder fires him, it makes Snyder look really bad for firing a guy who had nothing to do with the loss.

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[quote=Chevy13;613587][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/21/skins-calling-an-audible-on-zorns-role-in-sending-plays-to-the-field/]'Skins calling an audible on Zorn's role in sending plays to the field | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]
I think he might of just not wanted to be involved in the "chain of communication" how the article says but i don't know...[/quote]

Maybe the league will pity the Redskins and make a special exemption, alowing the OC to call the pays to the helmet of the QB instead of the HC......I can dream can't I?

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this circus is literally getting worse by the day

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[quote=SmootSmack;613595]Zorn's certainly not stupid (he probably knows what a homonym is for one thing), in over his head-perhaps? Stupid? No

What's interesting is that he's basically been put completely out of the loop so what happens if we lose badly on Monday? Is he going to just be like "Well, I had nothing to do with this. So you can't get rid of me now."[/quote]Oh man, you are vicious.

I agree.

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I feel like we already have issues getting in and out of the huddle, why have Sherman call a play to Zorn, then Zorn calls it. Just let him listen in and discuss the overall game plan?

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He won't be relaying the plays (or won't be allowed to) it just seems like things are getting worst every week.

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I just used the title to see how many people would jump in here saying "Zorn is not stupid.. stupid" :) (by the way no I don't think he's stupid.. stupid):food-smil

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[quote=Chevy13;613643]He won't be relaying the plays (or won't be allowed to) it just seems like things are getting worst every week.[/quote]

How is this wors[B][I][U]e[/U][/I][/B] (sorry, pet peeve-bad, worse, worst) than it was on Sunday night when it was announced?

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Well Sherm Smith is more anti Sherm Lewis than Zorn, see his first interview after Lewis was hired. I have no input other than that on this strange PFT news.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;613597]i think zorn wants to be removed from the equation entirely so when we lose and Snyder fires him, it makes Snyder look really bad for firing a guy who had nothing to do with the loss.[/quote]

According to Steve Largent this whole thing with Sherm Lewis was done with the idea of infuriating Zorn to the extent he would quit. Zorn's not a quitter, and he's not about to abort his contract and walk away. Way to go Jim, make him pay you!!

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[quote=Longtimefan;613651]According to Steve Largent this whole thing with Sherm Lewis was done with the idea of infuriating Zorn to the extent he would quit. Zorn's not a quitter, and he's not about to abort his contract and walk away. Way to go Jim, make him pay you!![/quote]
They say he considered it but then decided to stick in there. Wonder if the players stepping up on his behalf helped that.. if he had guys saying otherwise he prob would've left.

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It'd be funny if we ran the table with Sherman Lewis calling plays and then at the end of the season fired our head coach who went 12-4.

Who gets credit now for the performance, or lack thereof, of our team?


This really is a cluster-eff and just seems to get worse as the days progress. I've never seen anything like this before in the NFL, let alone on my own team, and I've been watching football for a long time.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;613597]i think zorn wants to be removed from the equation entirely so when we lose and Snyder fires him, it makes Snyder look really bad for firing a guy who had nothing to do with the loss.[/quote]

Makes sense; however Zorn really doesn't have to do anything to make Snyder look bad. Snyder is being petty, not wanting to pay out Zorn's contract, by trying to "humiliate" Zorn into quitting. Zorn is too smart and good for him. But the bigger picture is how even more pathetic Snyder looks. He finds it almost impossible to end any relationship w/ class. It was different w/ Gibbs because Gibbs quit. But remember how Snyder couldn't just admit he didn't get along w/ Greg Williams, instead maligning him w/ bullshit rumors out of Redskins Park that Williams didn't show Gibbs respect blah, blah, blah. Once again Snyder can't end a relationship w/ any class or for that matter any good football sense. All this just adds to my belief a coach, especially a proven coach, would just be dumb as hell to work the lil D.

It is so frustrating to know fans still somehow defend, and even seem to respect, Snyder after the way he's ruined the franchise. Words can hardly describe...

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I feel sorry for Jim emotionally, but not financially. More of our fan money goes out the window and Danny just gets richer.

I feel sorry for the FANS financially!

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[quote=Josh Baker;613679]I feel sorry for Jim emotionally, but not financially. More of our fan money goes out the window and Danny just gets richer.

I feel sorry for the FANS financially![/quote]

Welcome Josh!!

Believe me, the fans are truly feeling the pain.

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[quote=The Goat;613674]Makes sense; however Zorn really doesn't have to do anything to make Snyder look bad. Snyder is being petty, not wanting to pay out Zorn's contract, by trying to "humiliate" Zorn into quitting. Zorn is too smart and good for him. But the bigger picture is how even more pathetic Snyder looks. He finds it almost impossible to end any relationship w/ class. It was different w/ Gibbs because Gibbs quit. But remember how Snyder couldn't just admit he didn't get along w/ Greg Williams, instead maligning him w/ bullshit rumors out of Redskins Park that Williams didn't show Gibbs respect blah, blah, blah. Once again Snyder can't end a relationship w/ any class or for that matter any good football sense. All this just adds to my belief a coach, especially a proven coach, would just be dumb as hell to work the lil D.

It is so frustrating to know fans still somehow defend, and even seem to respect, Snyder after the way he's ruined the franchise. Words can hardly describe...[/quote]

so true,we are getting more and more pathetic by the day.I dont think Zorn is a good head coach,but thats not all his fault,he was hired to be the off coord and was practically handed the head coaching job and whos going to say no to that?
I have zero confidence that this regime will do the right thing and hire the right coach for the job.I just dont see how any coach worth a shit would come into this situation

Re: Zorn to stupid to relay plays from Lewis to QB??
 

[quote=Chevy13;613587][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/21/skins-calling-an-audible-on-zorns-role-in-sending-plays-to-the-field/]'Skins calling an audible on Zorn's role in sending plays to the field | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]
I think he might of just not wanted to be involved in the "chain of communication" how the article says but i don't know...[/quote]

It's "too" stupid, not "to" stupid. Just sayin'...

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omg how funny would it be if Holmgren got the HC job and brought Zorn in as an assistant coach, that would be so embarassing, to be demoted in back to back years.

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Yeah, I feel like part of this is done to remove Zorn, but Zorn knows after his performance here in DC he'll most likely never get an NFL head coach check again. If he's smart he'll wait to be fired.

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This is nothing short of insane.

Zorn said he would relay the play calls (from Sherman to Jason) at his Monday press conference. But now it has changed. So, instead of:

Sherm -> Jim -> Jason -> the rest of the Offense

It is:

Sherm -> Sherman -> Jason -> the rest of the Offense

I can understand if you would want to remove a middle man...but replace a middle man?

The only logical explanation is that Dan Snyder decided to remove Zorn from the relay team. I can't see Zorn removing himself. Is there any other possible explanation?

Again, this is insane. The more I learn about this craziness the more respect I have for Jim Zorn. He should just quit and tell Dan Snyder off.

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[quote=Daseal;613699]Yeah, I feel like part of this is done to remove Zorn, but Zorn knows after his performance here in DC he'll most likely never get an NFL head coach check again. If he's smart he'll wait to be fired.[/quote]

I bet if you did a poll to Skins fans and wanted to see who they were in support of in the Zorn vs. Our Front Office showdown that most fans side with Zorn in this matter.

It's truly sad that we've brought in some good guys, coaches and players, and our front office has done many of them dirty. I don't know how many times me and my girlfriend have said "I really like this player/coach....I feel bad that our front office is doing this to them."

For example: Jason Campbell, Jim Zorn, Gregg Williams, LaVar Arrington, Laverous Coles.

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I pretty much think Zorn's just waiting to get fired by Snyder. He's obviously sticking it out even though it appears Snyder is just trying to force him out the door. Honestly the more this drags on the more it looks bad on Snyder and the Skins. It's pathetic how our image is portrayed in the media and around the NFL. Only Al Davis is the other petty owner I feel would be crazy enough to try and force a coach out midseason so that he doesn't have to pay the rest of his salary. In the end it looks like Snyder hasn't changed much at all.

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I honestly like Zorn...I wish we would keep him...it's not his fault that O-Line only gives JC or any QB 3 seconds to throw the ball. A good Oline and a new franchise QB is what this city...and team needs the most. What we don't need is a new coach...with a new system that wants his own players ... ect ect ect. If you want to be a good franchise....you have to deal with a few years of suck...good coaches aren't bred...they are groomed with a shitty beginning...and this is our shitty beginning.

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[quote=SkinDogg;613691]It's "too" stupid, not "to" stupid. Just sayin'...[/quote]

Ya I know I saw it after I posted it but thanks for taking time out of your busy day to point out the obvious :)

Re: Zorn to stupid to relay plays from Lewis to QB??
 

Stupid is as stupid does.

He probably knows the difference between a homonym and a homophone though. :)

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Lewis will probably be using the plays from TECMO BOWL!!!!!!! Now thats funny.

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One funny thing about this whole situation is that it reaffirms my belief that the distinct hatred for Snyder will change peoples perceptions. At least 2 years before Snyder bought the team people were calling for Norv's head, when Snyder fired him (F'd up as it was) everyone fell in love with Turner as if it were his first day here. They found reason upon reason why he whould be here. Fast forward to Campbell last year. Folks were calling for [I]his[/I] head, as a matter of fact I'll go farther back another year. When Snyder searched for Gibbs' replacement people spoke about how Snyder was going to force Campbell on another coach. That he was Danny's guy but not a good QB. Then once Danny says I'm going to replace him, everyone loves him. NOW we get to Zorn. The man whose play calling has come into question for a while now, he get's told to be a freaking Head Coach and to not worry about doing all the other jobs but be a Head Coach and everyone wishes that he was able to do it. As if the previous 6 inept games never happened. Like this team has put up 20 points at will or something. Skins fans don't know what they want. It's funny that we are impatient yet we cry for him to blow everything up and start over. Oh it is true !

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;613820]One funny thing about this whole situation is that it reaffirms my belief that the distinct hatred for Snyder will change peoples perceptions. At least 2 years before Snyder bought the team people were calling for Norv's head, when Snyder fired him (F'd up as it was) everyone fell in love with Turner as if it were his first day here. They found reason upon reason why he whould be here. Fast forward to Campbell last year. Folks were calling for [I]his[/I] head, as a matter of fact I'll go farther back another year. When Snyder searched for Gibbs' replacement people spoke about how Snyder was going to force Campbell on another coach. That he was Danny's guy but not a good QB. Then once Danny says I'm going to replace him, everyone loves him. NOW we get to Zorn. The man whose play calling has come into question for a while now, he get's told to be a freaking Head Coach and to not worry about doing all the other jobs but be a Head Coach and everyone wishes that he was able to do it. As if the previous 6 inept games never happened. Like this team has put up 20 points at will or something. Skins fans don't know what they want. It's funny that we are impatient yet we cry for him to blow everything up and start over. Oh it is true ![/quote]

True to an extent, but what we want Danny to do is blow it up and DO IT RIGHT. Hire a football guy who knows how to build a team, and step out of the way of all football related decisions.

Let the GM hire a coach, and let that coach hire his OWN staff.

Everything always seems to be ass backwards around here. It would be nice to see a traditional and proven front office setup and someone in charge that knows what they are doing and sets the tone for the entire organization.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613823]True to an extent, but what we want Danny to do is blow it up and DO IT RIGHT. Hire a football guy who knows how to build a team, and step out of the way of all football related decisions.

Let the GM hire a coach, and let that coach hire his OWN staff.

Everything always seems to be ass backwards around here. It would be nice to see a traditional and proven front office setup and someone in charge that knows what they are doing and sets the tone for the entire organization.[/quote]

Truer words ne'er were spoken!

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My opinion of this is simple. Zorn was stripped of his playcalling duties because he had too much on his plate. If he was still calling plays into Jason, how is he really saving time to be able to concentrate on the overall football game. Management saw this as a reason to remove him all together from the "chain" so he can concentrate on managing the game.

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[quote=Chevy13;613587][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/21/skins-calling-an-audible-on-zorns-role-in-sending-plays-to-the-field/"]'Skins calling an audible on Zorn's role in sending plays to the field | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL]
I think he might of just not wanted to be involved in the "chain of communication" how the article says but i don't know...[/quote]

"Zorn [B]to[/B] stupid too relay plays from Lewis to QB??"

So ironic. :D

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[quote=SmootSmack;613595]Zorn's certainly not stupid (he probably knows what a homonym is for one thing), in over his head-perhaps? Stupid? No

What's interesting is that he's basically been put completely out of the loop so what happens if we lose badly on Monday? Is he going to just be like "Well, I had nothing to do with this. So you can't get rid of me now."[/quote]
On the flip side what if we win or loose but play a really good game?

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[quote=Buster;613880]"Zorn [B]to[/B] stupid too relay plays from Lewis to QB??"

So ironic. :D[/quote]

yeah yeah so ironic :cool-smil when I posted it and saw the mispelling I really didn't think it would be called out as much but oh well I guess.... As long as I can keep you guys on your toes :food-smil

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Zorn is to stupid as Steve Phillips' porky lover is to smart.

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[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2009/10/22/sherm-smith-discusses-the-chain-of-playcalling]Sherm Smith Discusses The Chain Of Playcalling[/url]