PFT RUMOR - Joe Gibbs Could Be Coming Back
 

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/22/joe-gibbs-could-be-taking-a-tuna-style-role-in-dc/]Joe Gibbs could be taking a Tuna-style role in D.C. | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

[quote][B]Joe Gibbs could be taking a Tuna-style role in D.C.[/B]
As the Washington Redskins continue to quickly unravel, the man who delivered the team's only three Super Bowl trophies could soon be coming back.

Again.

There's a rumor making the rounds that two-time former head coach Joe Gibbs could be returning in a role similar to the one occupied by Bill Parcells in Miami. Gibbs would be responsible for hiring a G.M. and a head coach, and otherwise stabilizing the franchise without grinding away as a head coach.

We reported earlier this month that owner Daniel Snyder still consults with Gibbs, and that the two men had dinner in Charlotte the night before the Redskins' loss to the Panthers.

For now, it's just a rumor. And it possibly flows from the fact that it makes a lot of sense.

Then again, the fact that it makes so much sense probably means it won't happen.
[/quote]

Please be true.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Please god please god please god.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Giving this the 60% accuracy test for anything PFT related, I'd be fine with this move. As long as he's not making the personnel decisions himself, that could be a good thing because the one person we know that Snyder won't overstep his bounds on is Gibbs.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

While I love Gibbs and DS could do worse I really feel the game has past by Gibbs. Bill Parcells never really left football so its a much different situation.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

NO, NO, NO! How many times do we have to switch offensive philosophies? I love Joe Gibbs, but I want to keep the memories that I have of him as fond ones. I want to continue trying to implement the "WCO" not the "Air Correyell offense"

Well, I guess it's better that what we have, but it is not exactly what I had in mind for the team from my own fan perspective.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

For me, as long as he comes in as basically a mediator, I'm all for it. He might not be the greatest talent evaluator in the world, but he's a hell of a team builder.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Wow, I dont know how I feel about this....

A part of me is thrilled because anything beats VC. But at the same time Gibbs 2.0 wasn't so hot in player eval IMO. maybe if Gibbs only focuses on that role, it would be ok. But, on the other hand, wouldnt he just get a bunch of "smash-mouth" players catered for the triple TE formation?

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Paintrain;613858]Giving this the 60% accuracy test for anything PFT related, I'd be fine with this move. As long as he's not making the personnel decisions himself, that could be a good thing because the one person we know that Snyder won't overstep his bounds on is Gibbs.[/quote]

You nailed it on the head. Having Gibbs in the role would also add legitimacy to our front office and make it more likely that a respectable coach and GM would WANT to come here - something I highly doubt would happen otherwise. Gibbs would also create a nice "buffer" between the Coach/GM and Snyder - something that would also make those jobs more attractive. I think the move might even be enough to get Cowher to take us off his black list.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I'd thought of this possibility myself. I know, or should I say I believe, Gibbs would not want to coach again at his age. But the one thing he didn't really succeed in was nfl mgmt.

Don't get me wrong, I think Gibbs II was great for this franchise, but he was part of some terrible moves, loyd, arch, trading picks, etc. He got us to the playoffs twice, which is more than we'd seen since he left the first time, but he probably would still love to prove that he could manage a team.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I hope this isn't true.

Being that Gibbs also trades away draft picks for aging guys I'm not too excited about this. I like the team president approach though.

This sounds like a Snyder move to get fans back in his corner but still gives him influence over our roster.

He's not a good candidate being that he had involvement in poor front office decisions in the past. He's also way too butt-buddy with Snyder to not have his decisions be affected by Snyder.


Bad move but I bet that casual Skins fans are licking it up right now. I'd hate to see Gibbs be Snyder's fall guy.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I hope this isn't true. Joe Gibbs is my favorite person in sports and I don't want to see Snyder drag Coach Joe back into this mess. If this is true I see it purely as an attempt by Snyder to calm the fans down by having Gibbs sign off on the next coaching hire.

My other concern is that if this is legitimate and Gibbs does want to lead the franchise then we could end up stuck with Vinny again because Coach Joe didn't fire Vinny 6 years ago when he could have.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=firstdown;613860]While I love Gibbs and DS could do worse I really feel the game has past by Gibbs. Bill Parcells never really left football so its a much different situation.[/quote]

I would argue that Gibbs' 2nd stint was more than enough for him to learn the cap, and the style of play in today's nfl. I don't know if talent evaluation is his strong suit per se, but character evaluation & team building is. I agree w/those that say he would add legitimacy & provide a buffer between DS & everyone else. If he hired a GM, he wouldn't take a lead role in player evaluation, but would probably have the final call.

I thought Gibbs left the team in fairly good shape. He had 2 great coordinators, one of which had HC experience, yet Vinny/DS essentially blew up one side of the ball & started over. I can't help but think what would've happened if GW was HC & Al remained the OC.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

This has run through my mind too, as coach...at least for the remainder of this season...but I figured he's too busy. :D

I would love to see him as GM if we can't attract any other top-level candidates.


However, this is from PFT...so I am not giving it any merit yet.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Gibbs does a good job in evaluating good people to run things. He speaks alot about surrounding himself with good people who know there role and gets everybody to contribute for a common goal. I think advising Danny Boy on who to hire as in GM and then advising on head coach and they FO people is the best news I have heard all year. I dont like him chosing players and looking for talent, but I think the idea of rebuilding the top of the organzation is probably Gibbs' greatest strength at this point.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=celts32;613869]I hope this isn't true. Joe Gibbs is my favorite person in sports and I don't want to see Snyder drag Coach Joe back into this mess. If this is true I see it purely as an attempt by Snyder to calm the fans down by having Gibbs sign off on the next coaching hire.

My other concern is that if this is legitimate and Gibbs does want to lead the franchise then we could end up stuck with Vinny again because Coach [B]Joe didn't fire Vinny 6 years ago when he could have[/B].[/quote]

But do you know that to be true? It's been said on here by many that keeping Vinny has always been a requirement by DS. I don't know, but I certainly never got the impression that Gibbs could fire Vinny. If he came back today, I would think that would be more likely, or at the least Vinny would take on some ceremonial role.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I doubt Joe Gibbs would be as involved as Parcells is. I'm thinking he'd be closer to a Joe Banner or Amy Trask or Ted Phillips.

If you don't know who any of those people are, that's because they aren't really known as "franchise runners". But they all basically serve as the president of different football franchises (Eagles, Raiders, Bears).

Parcells and Ireland, on the other hand, make business decisions jointly. Really doubt that would be the case here.

Plus, didn't he already right the ship here once?

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I would like this move, IF Joe Gibbs doesn't have full control of picking players. He's not bad, but he puts too high of an emphasis on veteran players, and I think that's a big part of the reason we're in the situation we're in now. We went for older vets instead of grooming younger guys.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Daseal;613877]I would like this move, IF Joe Gibbs doesn't have full control of picking players. He's not bad, but he puts too high of an emphasis on veteran players, and I think that's a big part of the reason we're in the situation we're in now. We went for older vets instead of grooming younger guys.[/quote]

Agreed. GIbbs has absolutely no experience as a GM. As long as the deal included Gibbs hiring a professional GM, doesn't seem like a bad idea. For Snyder, Gibbs is a way to paving the wounds with fans.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=hooskins;613863]Wow, I dont know how I feel about this....

A part of me is thrilled because anything beats VC. But at the same time Gibbs 2.0 wasn't so hot in player eval IMO. maybe if Gibbs only focuses on that role, it would be ok. But, on the other hand, wouldnt he just get a bunch of "smash-mouth" players catered for the triple TE formation?[/quote]


I know, I wasn't thrilled with his talent evaluating either. His love for small recievers kills me too. If it is true I hope that he can get past the "Smurfs" among other things.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

If done it needs to be in Gibbs control. Meaning Snyder steps away and lets Gibbs run the team. Gibbs picks out the GM, Coach, etc... Gibbs is great at putting teams together. Look at Nascar and what he done here. Snyder will not let that happen though. If done it would be the best way we could get a credible coach in. If not we will continue to be the laughing stock of the NFL.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I've been a longtime reader of the forums here and just today joined because I couldn't hold my tongue any longer.

I've been a fan since the 60s and have seen some horrible teams, but this season takes the cake. The Snyder/Cerrato admin is a total joke, not just in Washington but across the league.

To respond to this thread, I would say that this would be a positive step. Gibbs may be the only person that the Danny would take a backseat to, just out of pure reverence. But all the talk and speculation about who our new coach should be is a waste of time. We should be speculating on who our new GM will be. Personally, I would like to see Bobby Beathard come back, but I think DS dissed him in some way when he first bought the team. The new GM will be the one to make the coaching, scouting, personnel and team admin decisions (as it should be). Gibbs wouldn't take that role, but he MAY be able to get DS to hire the right guy and to get his nose the hell OUT of football operations completely.

Mr. Snyder, if this gets to you at all, Please do the right thing and stick to what your good at. Market the Redskins! Let those you delegate to actually run the football ops do what their good at...and don't ever let the two ends of the spectrum cross again.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=firstdown;613860]While I love Gibbs and DS could do worse I really feel the game has past by Gibbs. Bill Parcells never really left football so its a much different situation.[/quote]

Past by, huh?

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Obviously, Gibbs 2.0 wasn't very successful. He struggled to adapt to the faster speed of the game and was a bit "overzealous" in free agency.

However, one thing Joe Gibbs did well when he came here was assembling an elite coaching staff. Generally, speaking, he acquired high-quality, high character [I]people[/I] on his staff and team.

One thing Joe Gibbs was always good at, and is still good at, is judging the character of men. He also has the undying respect and admiration of Dan Snyder, something we cant say about anyone else Snyder has ever hired. If Gibbs speaks, Snyder listens.

Thats all Gibbs would really be doing if the rumor is true - selecting a high quality coach and a high quality GM, and then "managing" Snyder so he doesn't interfere too much and screw things up. I don't see how anyone could not want Gibbs here in THAT role.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I think the question is will Gibbs be brought in to win NOW or REBUILD? If DS wants to win next year same thing will happen, but if the goal is to be a contender in the next 3 to 4 years I'm all for it.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Daseal;613877]I would like this move, IF Joe Gibbs doesn't have full control of picking players. He's not bad, but he puts too high of an emphasis on veteran players, and I think that's a big part of the reason we're in the situation we're in now. We went for older vets instead of grooming younger guys.[/quote]
I'd somewhat disagree with "he's not bad". The only ones that he really 100% hit on during his tenure were Cooley & Taylor. Rogers, Campbell, Golston, Doughty, McIntosh are all contributors but are not elite at their positions. He's a bad personnel guy, I'd rather he not have any hand in choosing players at all.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

If Snyder is so hell bent on bringing back old Skins staff to get back in the good graces of the fans why doesn't he bring Casserly back as GM?

Maybe because he knows Casserly wouldn't keep Vinny around. This all looks like Snyder is struggling to find any way for Cerrato to stay on board and have fans be fine with it.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=GTripp0012;613876]I doubt Joe Gibbs would be as involved as Parcells is. I'm thinking he'd be closer to a Joe Banner or Amy Trask or Ted Phillips.

If you don't know who any of those people are, that's because they aren't really known as "franchise runners". But they all basically serve as the president of different football franchises (Eagles, Raiders, Bears).

Parcells and Ireland, on the other hand, make business decisions jointly. Really doubt that would be the case here.

Plus, didn't he already right the ship here once?[/quote]

Thats a much better comparison to what I think PFT was referring to than Parcells.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

As long as Gibbs brings in some QUALIFIED people to run things and Snyderatto stay out of the way then I don't have a problem with this.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

And another thing, why wait til the end of the season to hire a GM??? Get him in here now to get a head start on next season. It takes time to build a scouting staff and scout players before the draft. Why put it on a short-track by signing someone in January.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=PennSkinsFan;613879]Agreed. GIbbs has absolutely no experience as a GM. As long as the deal included Gibbs hiring a professional GM, doesn't seem like a bad idea. For Snyder, Gibbs is a way to paving the wounds with fans.[/quote]

As much as I love Joe Gibbs, I have to agree with you. Some of his GM like decisions were questionable at best, but a man of his integrity is an asset in just about any position he could be in your employ. Maybe he could resume his title as team president, hire a competent GM and go from there. I'm convinced having worked for Jack Cooke he knows how a team should be constructed.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Given their close relationship I think this rumor holds some water.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Joe is nobody's fool. His success record is legendary. Do I think he was overwhelmed upon his return to the NFL......yes. BUT Joe has undoubtedly had much time to evaluate, and assess the triumph's, and failures in Joe2. He will NO DOUBT work from that perspective.
Who rallies the team better?
WHO is better prepared to successfully deal with DanFinger? WHO has a better chance of getting Dan into the correct "role" for the team than Joe?
How much fun would it be with NO salary cap?
[B]MAN, I hope this is true.....[/B]
To tell the truth, I gasped when I read the thread!
WHO would give more to try to get this francise back on track. I am sure he feels to some degree a sense of failure in his Joe2 stint. The type of man he is....he would probably like to fix that.
HTTR

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Based on this rumor it sounds as if Gibbs would be in a team president type of role, he would hire a GM and help hire a coach. I don't think he would be heavily involved in personnel decisions, that's what the GM is for.

Say what you want about Gibbs 2.0, the guy knows people, he knows how to build relationships, and he values character. Basically the complete opposite of Vinny for the most part. Gibbs would add instant credibility back to the front office and give us a real shot at getting some quality football people in here.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Mattyk72;613898]Given their close relationship I think this rumor holds some water.[/quote]
I will undoubtedly have to have surgery when this is all over to "un-cross" all my crossed limbs

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Mattyk72;613902]Based on this rumor it sounds as if Gibbs would be in a team president type of role, he would hire a GM and help hire a coach. I don't think he would be heavily involved in personnel decisions, that's what the GM is for.

Say what you want about Gibbs 2.0, the guy knows people, he knows how to build relationships, and he values character. Basically the complete opposite of Vinny for the most part. Gibbs would add instant credibility back to the front office and give us a real shot at getting some quality football people in here.[/quote]

Well said. This is a small point, but from Snyder's perspective, this move would also allow someone else to fire Cerrato, thereby "preserving" their friendship. If i'm not mistaken, didn't Gibbs want to fire Vinny at one point or am i mis-remembering?

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Is there anything else that could happen this week?

Love JG's as a team builder however, i don't know he is in tune to todays NFL. He knows old coaches, old personell guys. I'm not sure this is the route to go. He threw away draft picks as fast as VC does on crappy players. Not sure about this one. Hmmm.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

He also loves VC. That's not a positive.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=freddyg12;613874]But do you know that to be true? It's been said on here by many that keeping Vinny has always been a requirement by DS. I don't know, but I certainly never got the impression that Gibbs could fire Vinny. If he came back today, I would think that would be more likely, or at the least Vinny would take on some ceremonial role.[/quote]

No I don't know for sure but I am just assuming that Gibbs of all people had the clout to hire or fire anyone he wanted to. My guess is that Gibbs knew Dan liked Vinny and he decided to let him stay as long as Gibbs himself had final say. Don't get me wrong...I LOVE Joe Gibbs and I don't want his good name ruined anymore by Dan Snyder if in fact this is just a publicity stunt to get the fans off Snyders back.

And Vinny in any role no matter how insignificant is unaccebtable...You can not sell real change to the fan base with Vinny still there.

However, if this is truely a Parcels/Miami type situation where Dan is OUT...Vinny is OUT...and Gibbs hires a GM & a Head coach then I support it.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

vinny, don,t let the door hit you on the *ss on the way out
please be true.......

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=redsk1;613907]He also loves VC. That's not a positive.[/quote]

meh, I think he went along with the program more than anything, and Vinny's role under him wasn't as significant as it is now.