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Wow, I am simply amazed at how piss poor the OL is. At this point it doesn't matter who is behind center, I'm frankly worried for JC right now. If this keeps up he's not going to last too much longer. He's shell shocked at this point.

Why not get Pete Kendall in here and plug him in at RG, or move Dockery and put Kendall at LG?? Can it really hurt at this point? Also, Levi Jones needs to get coached up and be starting at LT after the bye, no excuses. Heyer is just pathetic at LT and merely serviceable at RT.

Looking ahead to next year the potential free agents are here, but that list could look much different with no cap as 4 year free agents will suddenly not be available until after year 5.

[url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html]2010 NFL Free Agents: OL[/url]

Whoever is calling the personnel shots next offseason better have the OL as priorities #1, #2, and #3.

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Heyer is really bad. The whole line is bad. That's the thing, one or two bad lineman make the whole line look horrible. We have a few lineman who shouldn't be starting.

That being said JC had a bad game, again. He didn't feel the rush, had no pocket presence, and missed open recievers. I thought the MNF announcers did their best to be supportive of JC but had to call him out on a few occasions.

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Well if we are calling them out, this thread has to start with Rabach. It looked like he was direct snapping to the RB's knee. (would be interesting if that was a designed crazy play since Gruden said it set up like the first TD to Thomas).

and Heyer. I saw him plopped on his a** on multiple occassions. After he was back at RT. :doh:

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I agree, and because we need 3 new starters I would support picking up 1 through free agency preferably one of the first 2 Marcus or Jarhi. BUT I no way support spending a ton of dollars to get 2 or 3 guys because we will continue to repeat the same bullsh*t spend policy of Snyder. IT DOESNT WORK! We need to looking very very closely at the upcoming draft and draft at least 3 Olineman with our picks. We need teambuilding through. Our first pick mos def should be spent on a Olineman. I think Williams, Reinhart, Heyer, and Montgomery are good second stringers, but are not starters, so I say try to keep some of these guys around to compete as proper depth for our team.

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The line is bad and everyone knows it. Someone needs to take the fall for putting Williams on the roster. Also where is Rinehart?????? But part of the problem is Campbell. He's been doing this all year.....when he steps up in the pocket he keeps moving forward. He doesn't stop and re set his feet. He steps right up in the backs of the guys that are blocking for him. Yes the line sucks but JC sure isn't helping them.

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[quote=redsk1;616870]Heyer is really bad. The whole line is bad. That's the thing, one or two bad lineman make the whole line look horrible. We have a few lineman who shouldn't be starting.

That being said JC had a bad game, again. He didn't feel the rush, had no pocket presence, and missed open recievers. I thought the MNF announcers did their best to be supportive of JC but had to call him out on a few occasions.[/quote]

I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616881]I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.[/quote]

That's the thing, he is worried about the pressure and it's affecting his game. Easy for us to sit here and say, right? It's not all on him. He got beat up last night.

Until you beat the blitz, they are going to keep on coming. JC had a great blitz pickup throw down the middle to ARE in the 2nd half. Those are the things we've got to do to stop teams from blitzing.

The problem is our line gets beat w/out the blitz.

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How does a center get progressively worse at his snaps? Our Tackles wouldn't even be guards elsewhere.

What do we see in Montgomery vs Rinehart?

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[quote=Mattyk72;616881]I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.[/quote]

I'm a JC fan, but it is hard to keep taking his side. Overall though, I've at least decided that he's not a good fit for this offense. I really wish we could've seen Al Saunders stay, that O suited JC's strengths much more. NOt that it would matter now.

The ghost of Sammy Baugh is scared to stand behind this o line!

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[quote=Mattyk72;616881]I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.[/quote]

F JC. He isnt improving, his mistakes are costing this team big time. We need a new QB next season. No more excuses for him. He has had 5 years. Bye Bye JC!!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;616895]F JC. He isnt improving, his mistakes are costing this team big time. We need a new QB next season. No more excuses for him. He has had 5 years. Bye Bye JC!!!![/quote]

Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.

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Simply amazing how bad this OL is. No running lanes at all, pass protection is shotty. This is going to sound bad because I have lots of respect for Buges, but man, this is starting to remind me of the OL we had when Spurrier was here. Campbell is past shell shock.

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I find it hard to hate on Bugel when the talent simply isn't there. He's not a miracle worker.

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I said it in the other thread. It's starting to look like 03 when it was open season on Ramsey. At least JC has some wheels, Collins might actually die back there.

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Fingers crossed that Levi Jones can prove to be a good stop gap LT that can be a solid starter for 2-3 years at the least. We should know by the end of the year whether LT is a need or not. Dockery will likely be back at LG and I don't have a problem with that.

So that leaves center and the right side of the line. Is it possible to get 3 new starters in here or am I dreaming?

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The play of the OL so far this season has made just about every member of this board look like the finest GM's in the NFL. Everyone here, for quite some time now have been clamoring for O-lineman, our pleas have fallen on death ears, and what we're seeing now is the result of that negligence.

Right now, it is what it is, there's no help available until we're in better position to address the need.

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I wonder how bad JC's ankle is he was limping pretty bad? OL is top priority in the offseason and we need them to come from the draft not FA get younger there then worries about the QB.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616905]I find it hard to hate on Bugel when the talent simply isn't there. He's not a miracle worker.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, I agree. But unfortunately, it does look bad on Buges because you know the front office expects miracles from him. I agree though, when you have no talent to work with, how do you expect to have them playing past expectations?

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[quote=jdlea;616902]Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.[/quote]

Ive been with JC for 4 years and he has not improved. The Oline we knew about last season and nothing was done. There is no way we give JC an extention, even when he has time in the pocket, he cannot make a play or it too scared to throw the ball. He has shown no leadership skills and no ability to make guys around him better. BYE BYE JC!! Like it or not he is gone, you seriously think Snyder is giving him mo money? I completely agree with building the Oline, I have been screaming it since last year. We need 3 new starters, get one through FA and try to get couple in the draft first and second rounds. Im saying F Snead and Bradford now. Kolb would be a thought. I would support Hasselbeck coming in here for a couple years over JC.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616909]Fingers crossed that Levi Jones can prove to be a good stop gap LT that can be a solid starter for 2-3 years at the least. We should know by the end of the year whether LT is a need or not. Dockery will likely be back at LG and I don't have a problem with that.

So that leaves center and the right side of the line. Is it possible to get 3 new starters in here or am I dreaming?[/quote]

If we spend a 1st on an OT, I would think he'd eventually be moved to LT, but yeah if Levi could hold that down in the meantime it would certainly make rebuilding easier.

I think 3 new starters is realistic, 1 in fa & 2 in the draft, assuming that high picks are used for o line. I just wonder if they won't use the 1st or 2nd on a rb. I would love to see CJ Spiller in b & g, but would hate to see him taken in the 1st.

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[quote=Chico23231;616917]Ive been with JC for 4 years and he has not improved. The Oline we knew about last season and nothing was done. There is no way we give JC an extention, even when he has time in the pocket, he cannot make a play or it too scared to throw the ball. He has shown no leadership skills and no ability to make guys around him better. BYE BYE JC!! Like it or not he is gone, you seriously think Snyder is giving him mo money? I completely agree with building the Oline, I have been screaming it since last year. We need 3 new starters, get one through FA and try to get couple in the draft first and second rounds. Im saying F Snead and Bradford now. Kolb would be a thought. I would support Hasselbeck coming in here for a couple years over JC.[/quote]

We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.

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[quote=redsk1;616888]Until you beat the blitz, they are going to keep on coming. JC had a great blitz pickup throw down the middle to ARE in the 2nd half. Those are the things we've got to do to stop teams from blitzing. [/quote]

You beat the blitz with the run and screen passes. The problem is, this team has apparently forgotten how to run a screen, and I think they're worse at run blocking than they are at pass blocking at this point. Against teams with a good pass rush(which is basically every team left on the schedule), 50-80 rushing yards and 5+ sacks a game is going to be a pretty common occurance.

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[quote=Longtimefan;616912]The play of the OL so far this season has made just about every member of this board look like the finest GM's in the NFL. Everyone here, for quite some time now have been clamoring for O-lineman, our pleas have fallen on death ears, and what we're seeing now is the result of that negligence.

Right now, it is what it is, there's no help available until we're in better position to address the need.[/quote]

Did you hear C. CArter last night on espn? He said that Snyder's actions reflect poorly on the whole nfl, because when fans see a team run this way, they start to believe that they can make decisions better than the people running the team. Your post totally supports what he said. I can't disagree w/it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616909]Fingers crossed that Levi Jones can prove to be a good stop gap LT that can be a solid starter for 2-3 years at the least. We should know by the end of the year whether LT is a need or not. Dockery will likely be back at LG and I don't have a problem with that.

So that leaves center and the right side of the line. Is it possible to get 3 new starters in here or am I dreaming?[/quote]
I think that with a good RT we'll be okay with Rinehart or possibly Williams. If Jones can handle LT, Dock comes back, I see the 2 biggest needs at C and RT.

I think out of last year's draft only Mack and the kid in Buffalo have started at C.. Luigs has gotten some play though, but for the most part other than 1st round C's, you don't see a lot of rookies starting. That means we've gotta find what we want in Edwin Williams or find someone that can hold it down for at least a couple of years similar to what we'll need Levi Jones for. I think this year would be the one to pick the best tackle at under the assumption that he's starting at RT, if not LT. LT might actually be advantageous since he'd be working with a decent G in Dockery, unless we can find something similar at RG to compliment whoever it was.

But yeah, we NEED 2, 3 would be very nice.

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[quote=freddyg12;616926]Did you hear C. CArter last night on espn? He said that Snyder's actions reflect poorly on the whole nfl, because when fans see a team run this way, they start to believe that they can make decisions better than the people running the team. Your post totally supports what he said. I can't disagree w/it.[/quote]
We are the laughingstock of the NFL right now... we're being mocked, snickered at, etc for so many things that we're failing at. A lot of the time they'll be like this team is just playing horribly this year... for us it's the "oh I guess THAT'S the playcalling" or whatever and they get a nice little laugh out of it. The difference isn't that the media hates us, it's that they know that our organization has brought it upon ourselves with all of these ridiculous moves. I wonder how many of the guys know our contract situations, because that's something that we hardly ever hear about until draft-preseason time... if they knew the money that we had locked up into some of these guys it'd be insane

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[quote=Mattyk72;616920]We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.[/quote]
We're going to at least have to give him some new legs then, option for a wheelchair.

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[quote=skinsfan69;616880]The line is bad and everyone knows it. Someone needs to take the fall for putting Williams on the roster. Also where is Rinehart?????? But part of the problem is Campbell. He's been doing this all year.....when he steps up in the pocket he keeps moving forward. He doesn't stop and re set his feet. He steps right up in the backs of the guys that are blocking for him. Yes the line sucks but JC sure isn't helping them.[/quote]

This line has it's problems across the board, but in all fairness to Williams I think he's played fairly well the last two weeks at R/T. The real problem areas on the line right now are at C/RG/LT. I've had my nocks trained on the RT for the last two weeks since Williams has been inserted, he is not the problem.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616860]Wow, I am simply amazed at how piss poor the OL is. At this point it doesn't matter who is behind center, I'm frankly worried for JC right now. If this keeps up he's not going to last too much longer. He's shell shocked at this point.

Why not get Pete Kendall in here and plug him in at RG, or move Dockery and put Kendall at LG?? Can it really hurt at this point? Also, Levi Jones needs to get coached up and be starting at LT after the bye, no excuses. Heyer is just pathetic at LT and merely serviceable at RT.

Looking ahead to next year the potential free agents are here, but that list could look much different with no cap as 4 year free agents will suddenly not be available until after year 5.

[URL="http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html"]2010 NFL Free Agents: OL[/URL]

Whoever is calling the personnel shots next offseason better have the OL as priorities #1, #2, and #3.[/quote]


Get Jared Gaither.




(I actually have him on my Madden franchise with the Skins)

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we definitely need a center and a couple of tackles. i really think rinehart or montgomery could be ok down the line, especially rinehart. montgomery is a good backup to have. i think we should take a chance on a guy like max hall from byu in the later rounds. only major problem here is there are no good free agent qbs besides kyle orton, so that really limits us to the draft in a very weak qb class at the very top.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;616913]I wonder how bad JC's ankle is he was limping pretty bad? OL is top priority in the offseason and we need them to come from the draft not FA get younger there then worries about the QB.[/quote]


Yeah, he was getting downright abused all night, luckily there is a Bye week. He had to have it taped up in the first half and played fairly well with it for the rest of the game, so I'm not worried.

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Yeah funny enough Williams hasn't looked half bad.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616920]We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.[/quote]

Really didnt know that. Well he will be pretty decent backup.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616881]I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.[/quote]

In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;616969]In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.[/quote]

Quality, rational post. Not seeing many of those around here this morning. :D

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;616969][B]In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#. [/B]

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.[/quote]

Yeah I agree, that's why I'm hesitant to say that replacing JC and Portis is the answer.

If there's a worse OL out there right now I'd love to see it.

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JC needs to sit. He has no faith in the line. The offensive line did what they could and most times they did a ok job. but Campbell doesn't give the team a chance. Opposing Defenses pin their ears back and tee off on our line because they know Campbell will eventually make a mistake.

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I told y'all that Raback was on his last legs, and that he should've been moved to guard. I told y'all we should have draft Mack, Loadholt, Oher, and or Robinson. Oh you're stupid Tramp, huh, you don't draft a center in the first round. You mean you're not happy that we picked up a DE with our first and with our third next year? Chaz Reinhardt and Deb'n Clark are going to step up. Stretch Armstrong is going to pull through.

Priorities! I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. You think this is bad? Our defense can handle Filthy compared to what's coming. Wait until New Orleans and Dallas. eff it . . . .

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;616969]In my opinion, JC is only as good as those around him. When the offensive line is plowing running lanes for the backs and giving him time, JC can be quite effective. When the offensive line consists of Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, Rabach, and Dockery, he's going to play like &@*#.

Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best. Think how mamy games Rabach has cost us. He cost us up to 14 points last night with terrible snaps. He cost us the game against San Diego in 2005 that would have given us homefield advantage in the playoffs. He tried to cost us the game against Dallas in 2007 by getting flagged on 2 consecutive touchdown plays. He's garbage.[/quote]

I would agree with that about the Oline, they are terrible. But when I watch JC this year and he gets time to make a play, 9 times out of 10 he cant. He is afraid to throw, gun-shy, going through progressions too fast and flat out missing guys who are open....I just havent seen it from him. The turnovers especially the fumbling...every QB gets hit but he fumbles more than others.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;616976]JC needs to sit. He has no faith in the line. The offensive line did what they could and most times they did a ok job. but Campbell doesn't give the team a chance. Opposing Defenses pin their ears back and tee off on our line because they know Campbell will eventually make a mistake.[/quote]

That's suicide. Collins would have been sacked at least 10 times last night. At least Campbell can avoid some sacks.

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Here's my next prediction. Y'all might have heard this before. Campbell is going to leave Washington looking just like Brunell. (Forrest Gump as a child) "Mama said they'd be my magic shoes!"