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This isn't about what player to draft, but rather what position.

Seems like we're pretty split between OL or QB. I'm in the draft a QB in the first round camp, but wanted to see what the group thought.

I threw in RB just for added measure

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I'm with you, there. QB. Gotta start with a leader.

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no question, oline

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Would it be a cop-out to say "Best player available at a position of need"?

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Best. Player. Available.

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I would LOVE to have CJ Spiller. I think he's going to be a Chris Johnson type RB right out of the gate in the NFL. That said, I'd think we should move our high first round pick into the latter half of the first round for extra picks. Then we take the best O-lineman available, and look for a QB and RB in the 2nd/3rd rounds. We need to stockpile young talent, not shoot for that one potential gleaming star. I will go on record again saying I want ZERO part of Bradford or McCoy.

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GMScud -- I think 90% of the people on this board and inside the skins organization would love to move down. Problem is, no one will move up into a top 5 pick. Too much money and compensation given up to get the pick. If we could trade down for picks, I'd be very, very happy.

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O-line should be the #1 priority. QB is far too much of a crapshoot in the first round. See Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, and Jason Campbell drafted in the 1st round here alone. Throw in Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, JaMarcus Russell, Rick Mirer, Trent Dilfer, and Ryan Leaf - All Top 5 overall. We did pretty well with Chris Samuels as a top-5 pick. I want our new GM to find the next Chris Samuels.

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What about Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Carson Palmer....

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BPA, with a caveat.

If Brandon Spikes is there, you take him. If there is a shutdown corner there, you take him. If Jahvid Best is there, you take him. If Eric Berry is there...etc.

If there is no best player available, like there's no situation where Orakpo falls to us, then you could reach a little bit on Russell Okung, or you could take the top quarterback on the board to satisfy a need. I don't think the top QB on my board is going to be gone until the middle of the first round, so it is what it is.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619132]What about Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Carson Palmer....[/quote]About half those guys would be moderately successful here in our current situation without major organizational overhaul, and pretty much every one of those guys (that could succeed here) was a top three draft pick. We don't figure to be picking in the top three, and there is [I]maybe[/I] one of that type of player in this draft anyway, if that.

If there's a "first-overall" type quarterback, you take him. If there's not, we can do better.

We'll probably be picking between 7 and 12, so there will be good quarterbacks available for us there, but those same guys will probably be available in the second round. And I'm not a subscriber to the "you have to get someone this year" philosophy. Learn to do something well on offense first, and then pick a quarterback who can help to emphasize that strength.

And if that something happens to be "run the football", then pretty much anyone will suffice.

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[quote=Daseal;619127]GMScud -- I think 90% of the people on this board and inside the skins organization would love to move down. Problem is, no one will move up into a top 5 pick. Too much money and compensation given up to get the pick. If we could trade down for picks, I'd be very, very happy.[/quote]

Im sure someone will want to move up. There will be that player that everyone is salivating over. Look at last year where everyone was trying to move up to select Sanchez with the Jets finally getting him.

With that said i think it's time for a fresh start at QB. You can still get Olineman deep in the draft but QBs are harder to find.

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Since 1998, the first overall types have been:

- Peyton Manning
- Carson Palmer
- Phillip Rivers
- Ben Roethlisberger
- Matt Ryan

And you could possibly throw Rodgers and Eli in there as well, though I would not.

So if there's a first overall type once every 2 or 3 years, and it's generally pretty obvious when you have one, you can't pass on them. But it's not like you can trade up to try to create one, when it's just not there.

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I think that it depends who's on the board at line still. I'm still not sold that we won't pick whose jersey will sell the best (maybe not literally.. but the "popular" option) at QB if we do that though.

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[quote=Daseal;619127]GMScud -- I think 90% of the people on this board and inside the skins organization would love to move down. Problem is, no one will move up into a top 5 pick. Too much money and compensation given up to get the pick. If we could trade down for picks, I'd be very, very happy.[/quote]
What position was Sanchez drafted at last year?

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[quote=GTripp0012;619137]Since 1998, the first overall types have been:

- Peyton Manning
- Carson Palmer
- Phillip Rivers
- Ben Roethlisberger
- Matt Ryan

And you could possibly throw Rodgers and Eli in there as well, though I would not.

So if there's a first overall type once every 2 or 3 years, and it's generally pretty obvious when you have one, you can't pass on them. But it's not like you can trade up to try to create one, when it's just not there.[/quote]

Just curious why your not including Eli in there when he was drafted before Big Ben was in 2004?

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I think we can get a solid RB in even the 4th or 5th round.

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[quote=WaldSkins;619140]Just curious why your not including Eli in there when he was drafted before Big Ben was in 2004?[/quote]I think Big Ben is debatable there as well, actually. I just think he's less scheme dependent than Manning is.

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OL, better bang for your buck.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619141]I think we can get a solid RB in even the 4th or 5th round.[/quote]I think we can as well, but we really need to get immediate dividends from that RB, and I'd rather spend a first or second rounder to get a franchise type guy than get stuck with a complementary guy in the 4th.

Of course, even a part time guy would be better than what we currently have.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619133]BPA, with a caveat.

If Brandon Spikes is there, you take him. If there is a shutdown corner there, you take him. If Jahvid Best is there, you take him. If Eric Berry is there...etc.

If there is no best player available, like there's no situation where Orakpo falls to us, then you could reach a little bit on Russell Okung, or you could take the top quarterback on the board to satisfy a need. I don't think the top QB on my board is going to be gone until the middle of the first round, so it is what it is.[/quote]

Who is the top QB on your board?

I would LOVE to have Brandon Spikes. Did you see his pick 6 yesterday? Plus the guy is a leader and can flat out stuff the run. He's a perfect 4-3 MLB. But it would make me cringe to use another high first round pick on defense when the O is so badly lagging.

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[quote=GMScud;619149]Who is the top QB on your board?

I would LOVE to have Brandon Spikes. Did you see his pick 6 yesterday? Plus the guy is a leader and can flat out stuff the run. He's a perfect 4-3 MLB. [B]But it would make me cringe to use another high first round pick on defense when the O is so badly lagging.[/B][/quote]

Tripp likes McCoy

Agreed.

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[quote=GMScud;619149]Who is the top QB on your board?

I would LOVE to have Brandon Spikes. Did you see his pick 6 yesterday? Plus the guy is a leader and can flat out stuff the run. He's a perfect 4-3 MLB. But it would make me cringe to use another high first round pick on defense when the O is so badly lagging.[/quote]Well, if you give me just one pick in the first two rounds to use on an offensive tackle, I could make something adequate out of the offense using just mid-tier free agents. We do need to get to rebuilding the offense at some point, but if the clear BPA is a defensive guy, someone who could score TDs on passes from other teams QBs, that'd be one way to help the Redskins score points. The other thing is: you might change defensive schemes and need another piece in the front seven.

The top QB on my board is Colt McCoy. But it will be interesting to see what happens to Tebow's stock when he goes through the draft process. If there's a bunch of teams that want him in the first round, we could, and probably should get in on that.

If teams simply view him as a package player, then he'd be useless to us.

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I think I'm split between o-line and qb, but what I would hope is that we go o-line for the first couple rounds, and we can pick up a free agent qb and stick him back there for a year and then focus on getting a great talent at quarterback in the 2011 draft or through free agency in 2010 if we see lots of big talent hitting the market.

Running back is not a concern although I would like to replace Portis after this season. I feel pretty confident that a good coach could go pluck a running back out of the mid rounds and have him be successful. So many coaches are doing that nowadays and finding successfull running backs it's ridiculous. Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber, and Tashard Choice were all 4th round picks. There's no reason we couldn't find somebody explosive in the mid rounds. And we could either make Portis come off the bench occasionally and have a nice two back system with the new back being more of an explosive home run hitter and have Portis doing more of the mauler. At this point in his career I think Portis is more of a grinder than a burner.

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qb if tebow is available, o-line if not.

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There is a guy who has a 7 on his jersey for Notre Dame that we should seriously consider in the second round:

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1246114]Sam Young, , NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

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Do you see the team trying to make any deals get more early round picks?

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SS, do you think Levi Jones could play LT next season? Like, adequately?

This is assuming we draft a RT in the second round, of course.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619166]SS, do you think Levi Jones could play LT next season? Like, adequately?

This is assuming we draft a RT in the second round, of course.[/quote]

For a year? Sure. And then maybe someone like a Blake DeChristopher or Jariel Carimi in 2011...as opposed to say Terrell Pryor

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[quote=GTripp0012;619137]Since 1998, the first overall types have been:

- Peyton Manning
- Carson Palmer
- Phillip Rivers
- Ben Roethlisberger
- Matt Ryan

And you could possibly throw Rodgers and Eli in there as well, though I would not.

So if there's a first overall type once every 2 or 3 years, and it's generally pretty obvious when you have one, you can't pass on them. But it's not like you can trade up to try to create one, when it's just not there.[/quote]Bill Parcells passed on Matt Ryan, and I would defend that decision. He realized that if he didn't address the O-line in a big way, it didn't matter who his QB would be. Drafting Jake Long was the right move, and the Dolphins will be relevant before we will, because Parcells teams don't get whipped in the trenches the way we do (especially on offense). He went from 1-15 to 11-5 with weak armed Pennington at QB for crying out loud!!!

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[quote=SouperMeister;619176]Bill Parcells passed on Matt Ryan, and I would defend that decision. He realized that if he didn't address the O-line in a big way, it didn't matter who his QB would be. Drafting Jake Long was the right move, and the Dolphins will be relevant before we will, because Parcells teams don't get whipped in the trenches the way we do (especially on offense). He went from 1-15 to 11-5 with weak armed Pennington at QB for crying out loud!!![/quote]Parcells has also made it count by establishing the OL as a great unit, and then putting the infrastructure in place to take a rushing game, and turn it into something you have to spend extra hours scheming for.

Ryan also was not necessarily a better prospect than Henne coming out, and would have been a significant risk for the Dolphins. It now looks like Ryan was the better player, like a lot of people thought he was, but I can support Parcells' decision to pass.

Who is the Ryan of this draft though? Unless one player in specific can be identified, you have to pass on QB in the first round.

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Assuming it will be an uncapped year (which may or may not happen at this point), it will be interesting to see what tender if any we offer Rogers, Campbell, and McIntosh. My guess is we try to keep Rocky, probably rather willingly let Campbell go, and tender Rogers in such a way that we basically say he's available but will cost you

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[quote=SouperMeister;619176]Bill Parcells passed on Matt Ryan, and I would defend that decision. [B]He realized that if he didn't address the O-line in a big way, it didn't matter who his QB would be[/B]. Drafting Jake Long was the right move, and the Dolphins will be relevant before we will, because Parcells teams don't get whipped in the trenches the way we do (especially on offense). He went from 1-15 to 11-5 with weak armed Pennington at QB for crying out loud!!![/quote]

I personally thought that was the conclusion the common fan was finally going to come to. It seems like some fans still want a QB or RB even though their efforts would be futile with no stand out OL.

I don't know how people can't come to that conclusion. The longer our line is not accounted for with elite young talent, the longer it will be until we have a competitive team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619175]For a year? Sure. And then maybe someone like a Blake DeChristopher or Jariel Carimi in 2011...as opposed to say Terrell Pryor[/quote]Well, I guess I'm asking, do you think he'd be better or worse than the fighting-through-injuries/limited mobility version of Chris Samuels?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;619182]I personally thought that was the conclusion the common fan was finally going to come to. It seems like some fans still want a QB or RB even though their efforts would be futile with no stand out OL.

I don't know how people can't come to that conclusion. The longer our line is not accounted for with elite young talent, the longer it will be until we have a competitive team.[/quote]

Who do you think has the best offensive line in the league?

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Jimmy Claussen or Jake Locker. I've been screaming about the O-Line as long as everybody, but we'll absolutely take a QB in the draft, especially if our pick is top 5. Most likely no QB's on our current roster will be here next year. I'd love to trade back and take multiple lineman, also Spikes will be a pro-bowler forever, God, we need like ten first round picks!

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[quote=GTripp0012;619183]Well, I guess I'm asking, do you think he'd be better or worse than the fighting-through-injuries/limited mobility version of Chris Samuels?[/quote]

I think Samuels should retire, too much of a risk if he continues playing. I mean I know it could be said of just about any player, but he really is one bad hit away from permanent paralysis. Not worth it. I know it can't be easy for him to suddenly call it quits like this, but in the long run it's best for him

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...traded away for more picks, look guys JC isn't great but he isn't the number one problem. Sticking a young, inexperienced college qb behind the shitty OL won't make a lick of difference but will be akin to throwing away millions of dollars, you really want to make the same mistake as the 49ers with Alex Smith or Raiders with Jamarcus Russell?

Trade the pick for some second and third round picks and build some depth on the offensive line. That is the right move.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619190]Who do you think has the best offensive line in the league?[/quote]It's the Jets, I think

If not them, then I think it's either New Orleans, Tennessee, Miami, Baltimore, or Denver.

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I should have started this thread with the caveat "Assume we are not trading our first round pick..."