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Conversations regarding the possibility of Joe Gibbs returning to the Redskins in a senior managerial role - - but NOT as the head coach - - have halted. According to my source, it is unlikely that there will be any more discussions until after Christmas.


However, my source tells me that this "break" in the conversations is just that - - a break in the conversations and not a sign that this issue has been resolved one way or the other.


My source ALSO told me that Joe Gibbs and Darrell Green have had dinner a couple of times in the past two weeks but it was NOT clear to my source whether Green was an emissary of Danny Boy or if this was just a coach and one of his top-shelf players just maintaining their relationship.


If these "conversations" don't amount to a hill of beans, there will be no stories in the mass media about the "failure to reach an agreement here". On the other hand, my source tells me that if this all works out and Gibbs comes back to the Skins, it will be a headline story on ESPN for at least 3 days. I'm not quite sure what that means exactly, but my source is adamant on that point... And I am acutely aware of how much Danny Boy loves to have a postive story related to him and/or the Skins dominate ESPN coverage ...


Stay tuned. Same time next month... Same Bat Channel...

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Link?

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No link. This is info from a friend who has knowledge of the conversations.

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Sounds like Gibbs is coming back. I'm betting, they're working through the details of his role, how to go about it, and the make-up of the front office.

It's very unlikely that Gibbs and Green had dinner and the state of the Redskins didn't come up in conversation.

It's possible that Gibbs has or will come to terms with that he'll always be a Redskin and he'll never fully escape being connected to this organization.

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I think for this was leaked is also a trial of sorts.

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mad love to gibbs but can we please point our eyes to the future?

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Can we just get Chris Polian as our GM?

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This whole thing is going to end up being a big distraction for the Skins. They either need to bring him back or publicly put it to rest.

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We should hire Heather Graham as GM. On-field play could not be any worse and the fan's view would be better.

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[quote=Lotus;621021]We should hire Heather Graham as GM. On-field play could not be any worse and the fan's view would be better.[/quote]

:laughing2 Fantastic idea Lotus. Graham for GM and ummm Megan Fox for HC.


Gibbs coming back isn't good news, and it's exactly what I would expect from lil D. I think the FO situation only becomes more amorphous and confused after this season i.e. instead of bringing in a legit GM who really runs the show Snyder will have a "committee" (Vinny will still be around too I think), which will allow him to stay very involved in ALL real personnel decisions but behind a "bigger" cloak. The more I see this season's disaster unravel the clearer it becomes Snyder will never hand the reigns over to a true professional. Like someone else wisely said, if Snyder did that and the guy was successful who would get the credit? Waaayyyyy too much for the little man's ego to handle...

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Well yet again we are all getting spun up over rumors.....

Not only do we not know if JG will come back we don't even know if he does what roll he would play. I doubt he will come back as a GM since there is a lot of work involved and he has his racing team to manage. I can see him being in a position to help locate a legitimate GM and assist with locating a legitimate HC who will take the job perhaps under the understanding that DS will back off considerably.

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[quote=SBXVII;621047]Well yet again we are all getting spun up over rumors.....

Not only do we not know if JG will come back we don't even know if he does what roll he would play. I doubt he will come back as a GM since there is a lot of work involved and he has his racing team to manage. I can see him being in a position to help locate a legitimate GM and assist with locating a legitimate HC who will take the job perhaps under the understanding that DS will back off considerably.[/quote]

Can I ask you an honest question? Why didn't Joe Gibbs do that before he left?

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No former Skins greats should be involved in our management structure.

Doing this only cements to me that Snyder is more concerned with catering to the public opinion and not putting the right people in place to building a competitive team.


Doing this only leads to more of the chicanery that Dan does just to gain the good graces of the fans. Really...he only shows that he's interested in keeping the stadium seats filled and doesn't show any due diligence in actual football operations.


Enough with the former players and coaches...just say NO!

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[quote=12thMan;621048]Can I ask you an honest question? Why didn't Joe Gibbs do that before he left?[/quote]

Well I think he tried...that's why Williams was brought in as DC and HC in-waiting w/ Saunders brought in next to run the offense. It was actually a pretty perfect set-up and the team was coming off a strong run. Lil D and his weird little toady just decided to blow things up again from the coaching/scheme perspective.

...sort of makes it hard to believe Gibbs would come back yet again. It's like he needs to say "Now Danny I'm not gonna be around to baby-sit you forever..."

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[quote=The Goat;621050]Well I think he tried...that's why Williams was brought in as DC and HC in-waiting w/ Saunders brought in next to run the offense. It was actually a pretty perfect set-up and the team was coming off a strong run. Lil D and his weird little toady just decided to blow things up again from the coaching/scheme perspective.

...sort of makes it hard to believe Gibbs would come back yet again. It's like he needs to say "Now Danny I'm not gonna be around to baby-sit you forever..."[/quote]

So Gibbs tried? Uh-huh.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;621049]No former Skins greats should be involved in our management structure.

Doing this only cements to me that Snyder is more concerned with catering to the public opinion and not putting the right people in place to building a competitive team.


Doing this only leads to more of the chicanery that Dan does just to gain the good graces of the fans. Really...he only shows that he's interested in keeping the stadium seats filled and doesn't show any due diligence in actual football operations.


Enough with the former players and coaches...just say NO![/quote]

I agree with what you're saying regarding Snyder and his motivations for bringing Gibbs back yet again. Personally I think Snyder believes this will serve a dual purpose by improving the team on the field and filling the seats/appeasing the fan base. However, I think having Gibbs on board in a team president kind of role will only make us better. Gibbs is smart enough to put the right people in place to make football decisions, and Snyder has shown that he'll defer to Joe in that regard.

And let's not forget, Gibbs is the only person allowed to call Mr. Synder "Dan." That's all you need to know really. :)

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[quote=GMScud;621053]I agree with what you're saying regarding Snyder and his motivations for bringing Gibbs back yet again. Personally I think Snyder believes this will serve a dual purpose by improving the team on the field and filling the seats/appeasing the fan base. However, I think having Gibbs on board in a team president kind of role will only make us better. Gibbs is smart enough to put the right people in place to make football decisions, and Snyder has shown that he'll defer to Joe in that regard.

And let's not forget, Gibbs is the only person allowed to call Mr. Synder "Dan." That's all you need to know really. :)[/quote]

I just don't want Gibbs making any GM decisions. Otherwise, I don't think there's anything wrong with appeasing the fanbase and bring someone (Gibbs) that will make the right choice in picking the right people to run the team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;621057[B]]I just don't want Gibbs making any GM decisions. [/B]Otherwise, I don't think there's anything wrong with appeasing the fanbase and bring someone (Gibbs) that will make the right choice in picking the right people to run the team.[/quote]

Exactly. Which is why I said he'll put the right people in place to make football decisions. I actually think he's a brilliant selection for team president, as long as he hires a solid GM. The man is without question the best leader in franchise history.

My only concern would be how he would delegate between NASCAR and the Redskins. If it was going to be a 50-50 split, I wouldn't sign off on this deal. He'd need to be all in. I know he'd still do work related to his racing team, but I'd want his majority focus to be our team. Maybe after two full years devoted to nothing but NASCAR, he has the people in place to take charge of that thing full time.

I hope so, otherwise, no-go on Joe.

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[quote=Ruhskins;621057]I just don't want Gibbs making any GM decisions. Otherwise, [B]I don't think there's anything wrong with appeasing the fanbase[/B] and bring someone (Gibbs) that will make the right choice in picking the right people to run the team.[/quote]

There's plenty wrong with appealing to the fan base. Your average fans have full-time jobs, kids and other time consuming pursuits that are necessities to daily life. God bless the average fan but most really don't know what is fundamentally wrong with the team.

They shouldn't be relied on to provide the basis of our football solutions.

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I don't want Gibbs in a GM type role. I feel as if he's a large part to blame for our current problems. Too much of an emphasis on veteran players and not enough on young players. Not to mention, we need a proven personnel guy in DC who can start shaping this team into a long term winner.

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^ He's not coming back for a GM role.

Thanks for the update SC. Interesting news indeed.

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[quote=tryfuhl;621011]mad love to gibbs but can we please point our eyes to the future?[/quote]

Gibbs had us going he shuold hav stayed with his offense we had [B]power[/B]!!!! The passing game would have developed with more talent.

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I love Joe Gibbs as we all do, but i think the team and this franchise as a whole need to move on from Gibbs. We need to prove to the NFL and ourselves that we can find success beyond Gibbs. At Gibbs' age now (67, 68?)...how long would he be here for Gibbs 3.0? 1 year, 2 at the most???

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[quote=SolidSnake84;621086]I love Joe Gibbs as we all do, but i think the team and this franchise as a whole need to move on from Gibbs. We need to prove to the NFL and ourselves that we can find success beyond Gibbs. At Gibbs' age now (67, 68?)...how long would he be here for Gibbs 3.0? 1 year, 2 at the most???[/quote]

I agree, its time to move on to the future and stop looking to the past. Gibbs had his time and he was great, now its time to find the new Gibbs.

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[quote=irish;621088]I agree, its time to move on to the future and stop looking to the past. Gibbs had his time and he was great, now its time to find the new Gibbs.[/quote]

Yep, it's time to find new talent. Time to bring in a young talented GM.

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It apears to me Joe Gibbs will forever be linked to the Redskins either directly. or indirectly for as long as he lives. He's forever enshrined in our conscience.

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[quote=12thMan;621048]Can I ask you an honest question? Why didn't Joe Gibbs do that before he left?[/quote]

I don't know. I can speculate. JG1 left cause he was burnt out. I think his only reason for coming back and it's only my oppinion is for his son. I think he was trying to get his son established in a football coaching situation and 2 yrs into it his son decided it was not for him and bailed to get involved in Motocross. I think ST's death and a struggling season wore on JG2, plus he needed to get back to his JG Racing. I think there were issues there. I think he felt he had set the Skins up coaching wise for the future and decided to leave this time around. Then DS shit canned the whole thing JG2 assembled.

I'm betting the dinner was a "I'm sorry for screwing up what you did for me, can you help me out again" type of dinner.

Honestly I don't know why he didn't. Maybe it was not offered like some of us thought it was. Maybe JG simply was not ready to take on that roll with all his grandson being sick and the issues with his Racing team (and I'm refering to Stewart leaving unless that happened after.)

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I don't know why it is that every time the subject of Joe Gibbs being in a position of team president comes up, people automatically assume that means the same thing as GM.

And furthermore, why is it that people say "let's not look to the past but the future" and then say they'd take Bill Parcells as team president? It's the same difference. If Gibbs could build a successful racing team, surely he can build a successful football franchise...a sport he has been successful with in the past.

Gibbs is an excellent motivator and organizer. That is exactly what we need in a Team President. If there is someone else better than Gibbs for that position, then by all means, let's grab 'em up before someone else gets him. But, I'd put my full confidence in JG to put the right people in the right positions (GM & Head coach) than I would Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder.

And I really don't see how people can blame Gibbs for the current state of the Redskins. That is ridiculous! When Gibbs left, the team was a playoff team. Maybe not as dominate team as he had in the 80's, but it was the most stable version of the Redskins that we have had since Gibbs 1. I realize that's just opinions, but I'm all for Joe Gibbs being a team president and being the one responsible for hiring a good GM and a good head coach. Who else do you know that Daniel Snyder would give up the reigns for? Exactly...nobody!

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[quote=GMScud;621053]I agree with what you're saying regarding Snyder and his motivations for bringing Gibbs back yet again. Personally I think Snyder believes this will serve a dual purpose by improving the team on the field and filling the seats/appeasing the fan base. However, I think having Gibbs on board in a team president kind of role will only make us better. Gibbs is smart enough to put the right people in place to make football decisions, and Snyder has shown that he'll defer to Joe in that regard.

And let's not forget, Gibbs is the only person allowed to call Mr. Synder "Dan." That's all you need to know really. :)[/quote]

Yeah I find that pretty funny cause Gibbs ALWAYS call JKC "Mr. Cooke." Even after he died. But Snyder doesn't need Gibbs. All he has to do is hold a press conference and let everyone know you're getting out of the way and hire Chris Polian or Floyd Reece. He'd get the fans back on his side right away if he did that. Oh yeah....and fire Vinny

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I don't think this move would be to appease the fans, when has Snyder ever showed he cares about what the fans think? I think it has much more to do with the fact Gibbs is someone that Snyder trusts and respects.

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[quote=12thMan;621019]This whole thing is going to end up being a big distraction for the Skins. They either need to bring him back or publicly put it to rest.[/quote]


Nah, the whole thing is just a distraction to us.

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[quote=skinsguy;621102]I don't know why it is that every time the subject of Joe Gibbs being in a position of team president comes up, people automatically assume that means the same thing as GM.

And furthermore, why is it that people say "let's not look to the past but the future" and then say they'd take Bill Parcells as team president? It's the same difference. If Gibbs could build a successful racing team, surely he can build a successful football franchise...a sport he has been successful with in the past.

Gibbs is an excellent motivator and organizer. That is exactly what we need in a Team President. If there is someone else better than Gibbs for that position, then by all means, let's grab 'em up before someone else gets him. But, I'd put my full confidence in JG to put the right people in the right positions (GM & Head coach) than I would Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder.

[B]And I really don't see how people can blame Gibbs for the current state of the Redskins. That is ridiculous! When Gibbs left, the team was a playoff team. [/B]Maybe not as dominate team as he had in the 80's, but it was the most stable version of the Redskins that we have had since Gibbs 1. I realize that's just opinions, but I'm all for Joe Gibbs being a team president and being the one responsible for hiring a good GM and a good head coach. Who else do you know that Daniel Snyder would give up the reigns for? Exactly...nobody![/quote]

Sorry but the team was not really in that good of shape. Barely getting to the playoffs and losing in the first round doesn't do it for me. Let's face it, that was a miracle run and the team probably over achieved a bit. Getting a Dallas team that laid down the last game of the year helped as well. And he is part to blame for trading away draft picks and leaving the team w/out any quality depth. He, Vinny and Dan are all to blame.

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The team was much better off when Gibbs left than it is now, that's all I know. You can't deny the team has spun downward since he left.

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[quote=Mattyk72;621107]The team was much better off when Gibbs left than it is now, that's all I know. You can't deny the team has spun downward since he left.[/quote]

We've seen this happen TWICE also.

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I've yet to hear a good reason as to why bring Gibbs back. Okay he's not going to be GM, fine. But he's going to be president or something or other and help Danny pick a GM a good coach.

It's like this team is constantly trying to force square pegs into round circles and say, there we figured out it now.

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I think plenty of good reasons have been tossed out there as to why Gibbs coming back is a good idea, you just don't agree.

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Maybe Gibbs is the only guy that can either convince the Danny to get rid of Vinny & his current FO structure, or do it himself as team pres. Either way, I can't see that Danny talking to Gibbs can do anything worse to the state of this team. Distractions don't matter much when the team is already sinking fast.

Both danny & Gibbs are smart men that have learned some things in their time since 04. The Danny sees that he's got to make some major changes hopefully. Gibbs learned how today's nfl runs in his 4 years under the danny.

Having stepped away from it he is in a unique position to critique the organization and consult on how to repair it. My only fear in all this is that Gibbs comes back in some capacity only to eventually be thrown to the wolves in a no win situation. Remember, Sherm Lewis was hired as a "consultant" but is now calling plays.

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[quote=12thMan;621121]I've yet to hear [B]a good reason[/B] as to why bring Gibbs back. Okay he's not going to be GM, fine. But he's going to be president or something or other and help Danny pick a GM a good coach.

It's like this team is constantly trying to force square pegs into round circles and say, there we figured out it now.[/quote]

I'll try to give you just that; "a good reason." How about this; Gibbs is THE ONLY guy that Snyder will objectively listen to & heed his advice. I'm not saying that's a fact, but it may be.

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Thanks SC! I love Coach Joe and think he could help but I am not sure I want him involved in this mess anymore. I was happy that he was able to get out with his legacy and reputation intact and I would like to keep it that way.

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[quote=Mattyk72;621107]The team was much better off when Gibbs left than it is now, that's all I know. You can't deny the team has spun downward since he left.[/quote]

That's debatable. It's not MUCH better off.