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Beemnseven 11-07-2009 08:10 AM

Article on Kevin Colbert -- Steelers Dir. of football operations
 
Pretty interesting read. I'd never heard of this guy before, and it sounds like that's exactly the way he prefers it. I hate the Steelers, but no one can deny they have themselves on an incredible run. I'm not sure what his contract status is, but when people wonder who should be hired as a GM, I hope this guy gets some consideration.

The article goes into his personal life, (not as interesting) but here are some quick points that stand out:


[QUOTE]Colbert is the Pittsburgh Steelers director of football operations, which means that he's the main man responsible for drafting players, signing free agents and making trades. His decisions have helped fuel two Super Bowl titles and four AFC Championship game appearances for the Steelers since he was hired in 2000.

But ask him about his first round picks - Ben Roethlisberger, Santonio Holmes and Troy Polamalu - and you'll get a shrug. [B]"If you miss on a first-rounder, that's inexcusable," Colbert says. [/B]Of course, you'll have to excuse many others around the NFL whose first-rounders have flopped.

Ask Colbert about the success of late-round picks like Brett Keisel, and you'll get a ringing endorsement of the excellence of defensive-line coach John Mitchell. Point out the success he and the Steelers have had in getting All-Pro work from nondrafted players like Willie Parker and James Harrison, and you'll hear praise for the talent and character of those players.[/QUOTE]


[url=http://www.wqed.org/mag/seasonpreview/steelers-director-football-operations-kevin-colbert.php]Candid Talk with Kevin Colbert, Pittsburgh Steelers director of football operations: Season Preview: Annual Football Edition 2009[/url]

rbanerjee23 11-07-2009 09:14 AM

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A good drafter would be an awesome addition to the Redskins...Im tired of how next to none of our 1st round picks work out.

SFREDSKIN 11-07-2009 11:48 AM

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Eric DeCosta or Brian Gaines

Kalisto2010 11-07-2009 01:10 PM

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We need someone who can properly evaluate offensive talent. Our defensive draft picks have all been solid. Besides Cooley I can't recall any sound offensive draft picks in ages.

mooby 11-07-2009 01:35 PM

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[quote=Kalisto2010;621394]We need someone who can properly evaluate offensive talent. Our defensive draft picks have all been solid. [B]Besides Cooley I can't recall any sound offensive draft picks in ages.[/B][/quote]

Jason Camp...nah
Mark Wils...nah
Devin Thomas....maybe
Malcolm Kelly.....maybe
Fred Davis...maybe
Jim Molin...nah
Manuel Whi...nah
Eddie Willia...nah
Rod Gardn...nah
Patrick Ram...nah
Clinton Por....wait that was a trade
Chris Samuels :cool:

Paintrain 11-07-2009 01:57 PM

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[quote=mooby;621396]Jason Camp...nah
Mark Wils...nah
Devin Thomas....maybe
Malcolm Kelly.....maybe
Fred Davis...maybe
Jim Molin...nah
Manuel Whi...nah
Eddie Willia...nah
Rod Gardn...nah
Patrick Ram...nah
Clinton Por....wait that was a trade
Chris Samuels :cool:[/quote]

Damn, that's sad. We haven't drafted an impact offensive player in over 10 years!!!!! And he was an OL! Wow, have we been terrible in assessing offensive talent over the years.

Lotus 11-07-2009 02:15 PM

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I'm not sure why Colbert would want to join us but we do need improvement in terms of personnel assessments. But the Steelers have something else that we do not: coaches who get the best out of their players, especially on offense.

TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS 11-07-2009 02:24 PM

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the way things are going this season even hiring stephen colbert would be an improvement...

WaldSkins 11-07-2009 02:31 PM

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[quote=Kalisto2010;621394]We need someone who can properly evaluate offensive talent. [B]Our defensive draft picks have all been solid.[/B] Besides Cooley I can't recall any sound offensive draft picks in ages.[/quote]

I would argue Landry isn't playing up to his top 10 draft status.

The Goat 11-07-2009 02:35 PM

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A guy like this probably wouldn't have anything to do w/ lil Danny, and lil Danny wouldn't have anything to do w/ him. Muff said.

The Goat 11-07-2009 02:37 PM

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[quote=WaldSkins;621407]I would argue Landry isn't playing up to his top 10 draft status.[/quote]

I agree Landry is a disappointment as a top 10, but then again I don't know who to compare him to. Who could have we picked instead, offense or defense, who is worthy of a pick that high?

mlmdub130 11-07-2009 02:40 PM

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[quote=WaldSkins;621407]I would argue Landry isn't playing up to his top 10 draft status.[/quote]

you could throw rock hands, i mean rodgers in there too, along with rocky he was second round but our first overall

GridIron26 11-07-2009 02:47 PM

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[quote=mlmdub130;621410]you could throw rock hands, i mean rodgers in there too, along with rocky he was second round but our first overall[/quote]

[I]Rogers[/I] is shut down corner, he sucks at making plays but he shuts down receivers.. Granted, this year he wasn't so good like before but it's pretty obvious he has gave up on this team.. But Rocky, I believe he's quietly having a pro bowl season.. Our LBs always get snubbed, London is having a pro bowl season, like always.. Orakpo, well he might can't cover for shit but he's relentless when it comes to going after a QB (but of course, that's different topic since he's supposed to be DE)..

Yes, Landry hasn't live up to our expectations.. Nor to Blache, I'm assuming based on his comments about giving him chances to make plays.. But Landry's main responsible is not to give up big plays.. He has done that pretty well.. He just need to tone down his ego and stop trying to be Sean Taylor, just be himself on the field..

mlmdub130 11-07-2009 03:02 PM

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[quote=GridIron26;621411][I]Rogers[/I] is shut down corner, he sucks at making plays but he shuts down receivers.. Granted, this year he wasn't so good like before but it's pretty obvious he has gave up on this team.. But Rocky, I believe he's quietly having a pro bowl season.. Our LBs always get snubbed, London is having a pro bowl season, like always.. Orakpo, well he might can't cover for shit but he's relentless when it comes to going after a QB (but of course, that's different topic since he's supposed to be DE)..

Yes, Landry hasn't live up to our expectations.. Nor to Blache, I'm assuming based on his comments about giving him chances to make plays.. But Landry's main responsible is not to give up big plays.. He has done that pretty well.. He just need to tone down his ego and stop trying to be Sean Taylor, just be himself on the field..[/quote]

I'm not saying either is trash, and neither is landry but for being drafted in the top ten i don't think he has lived up to that if he truely was a top ten he could catch a pass that hit him in the numbers, he has had three picks since he came here thats about half a pick a year.

same with rocky he isn't terrible but for being our first overall pick in the draft hasn't become a line backer anyone in the nfl fears and he is on the same average pace he has been on since he has been here, i would hardly say probowl.

as far as landry he needs to boast his ego and start playing with the swagger he used to have but seems to have lost after gettin trucked by jacobs at the begining of last year.

it's been the one constant thing i think everyone on there can agree on we have not found a ra-ra guy on d our last one was marcus, before that it was sean and lavar, we need someone in there slapping players helmets andd getting fired up

hondakiller 11-07-2009 03:07 PM

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I think the real question on everyone's mind is, is his last name pronounced col-bert or col-bare. It sounds like this guy would be an amazing hire for us which of course means it'll never happen.

WaldSkins 11-07-2009 03:19 PM

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[quote=The Goat;621409]I agree Landry is a disappointment as a top 10, but then again I don't know who to compare him to. Who could have we picked instead, offense or defense, who is worthy of a pick that high?[/quote]

Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, Darrelle Revis, Jon Beason

As for safeties to compare Landry against:Griffin, Merriweather, Weddle

GridIron26 11-07-2009 03:20 PM

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[quote=mlmdub130;621412]I'm not saying either is trash, and neither is landry but for being drafted in the top ten i don't think he has lived up to that if he truely was a top ten he could catch a pass that hit him in the numbers, he has had three picks since he came here thats about half a pick a year.

same with rocky he isn't terrible but for being our first overall pick in the draft hasn't become a line backer anyone in the nfl fears and he is on the same average pace he has been on since he has been here, i would hardly say probowl.

as far as landry he needs to boast his ego and start playing with the swagger he used to have but seems to have lost after gettin trucked by jacobs at the begining of last year.

it's been the one constant thing i think everyone on there can agree on we have not found a ra-ra guy on d our last one was marcus, before that it was sean and lavar, we need someone in there slapping players helmets andd getting fired up[/quote]

Yes, Landry doesn't make big plays but it's only due to Blache's scheme.. He put Landry way far back from scrimmage line, how can he make plays if he's so far away from ball? If we expect Landry to make big plays, Blache needs to move him around just like Dick LeBeau moves Polamalu around and G. Williams does with Darren Sharper, as well..

It's not like Rocky was #1 pick, we got him in 2nd round.. I really do think he's getting better and better.. Of course he had some bad games.. This article will explain his stats and all stuff..

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/03/AR2009110301773.html?sub=AR"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

As for the swagger, I agree with you completely.. We don't have a player on our team to energize the team..

Lotus 11-07-2009 03:47 PM

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[quote=GridIron26;621416]Yes, Landry doesn't make big plays but it's only due to Blache's scheme.. He put Landry way far back from scrimmage line, how can he make plays if he's so far away from ball? If we expect Landry to make big plays, Blache needs to move him around just like Dick LeBeau moves Polamalu around and G. Williams does with Darren Sharper, as well..

It's not like Rocky was #1 pick, we got him in 2nd round.. I really do think he's getting better and better.. Of course he had some bad games.. This article will explain his stats and all stuff..

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/03/AR2009110301773.html?sub=AR"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

As for the swagger, I agree with you completely.. [B]We don't have a player on our team to energize the team.[/B].[/quote]

I agree. The way to energize the team is to make plays and we don't have too much of that happening.

skinsfan69 11-07-2009 05:16 PM

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Colbert could probably walk down the street in Pittsburgh and no one would even know who he is. And that's how he likes it. See, Pittsburgh gets it. The Ronney's get it. Behind the scenes they probably laugh at our operation. When Cowher had some tough season what did they do? Stuck by him. When he leaves they find Mike Tomlin, who looks and breathes like the next great head coach. Meanwhile we find Jim Zorn.

skinster 11-07-2009 05:29 PM

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as far as I'm concerned, rocky is a top 10 pick. We gave up two seconds and a sixth for him. first rounders are regularly traded for a second and a third. He is not worth his value of what we used on him in the draft....then again we prolly would have just wasted those picks on some useless players.

Beemnseven 11-07-2009 09:01 PM

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The one thing he said that stuck out to me was how he views first round draft busts as inexcusable. Then it got me thinking -- some have mentioned Charlie Casserly as a possibility to come back. But take a look at his first round selections from 1991-96...

Bobby Wilson -- bust
Desmond Howard -- bust (for us anyway)
Tom Carter -- borderline bust, didn't last very long in the league
Heath Shuler -- one of the all time busts
Michael Westbrook -- pretty much a bust, had one real good season
Andre Johnson -- didn't even make the team

Gibbs certainly had a big say in the selection of Wilson and Howard. But that's as bad a string of first round busts that the league has ever seen, and sheds some light as to how bad this team was throughout the 90's. This is why I'm not so high on Casserly.

SmootSmack 11-14-2009 01:56 PM

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[quote=skinsfan69;621428]Colbert could probably walk down the street in Pittsburgh and no one would even know who he is. And that's how he likes it. See, Pittsburgh gets it. The Ronney's get it. Behind the scenes they probably laugh at our operation. When Cowher had some tough season what did they do? Stuck by him. When he leaves they find Mike Tomlin, who looks and breathes like the next great head coach. Meanwhile we find Jim Zorn.[/quote]

And what's funny/sad is that the Steelers had two guys in waiting (Whisenhunt and Grimm) to be Cowher's successor. Everyone expected one to be named head coach and instead they went outside the organization and found Tomlin. We went outside and found Zorn

celts32 11-14-2009 05:29 PM

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If the Redskins hired Tomlin he probably would have been fired already. Is Tomlin really that great? He walked into the best organization in the league kept the same defense scheme and coordinator that was already in place even though he coached a completely different defense in Minnesotta. And he had a franchise QB coming into his own. We have no idea what kind of coach Tomlin would be if he came to an unstable situation like the Redskins.

TheBigDaddy 11-14-2009 05:39 PM

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off topic but nice site for draft history.


drafthistory.com

TheBigDaddy 11-14-2009 06:55 PM

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And with the exception of all the early WR first picks, the 1st rounders have been solid.

Beemnseven 11-15-2009 08:16 AM

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[quote=celts32;624814]If the Redskins hired Tomlin he probably would have been fired already. Is Tomlin really that great? He walked into the best organization in the league kept the same defense scheme and coordinator that was already in place even though he coached a completely different defense in Minnesotta. And he had a franchise QB coming into his own. We have no idea what kind of coach Tomlin would be if he came to an unstable situation like the Redskins.[/quote]

Good point. I think there is something to be said for not allowing a team to fall into disarray, the way Norv has apparently done in S.D. A new coach could theoretically walk into a sound organization with a good roster and things can fall apart. Tomlin appears to be someone who kept the squad on its toes, challenged them, instilled vigor, and continued a winning tradition.

Never underestimate the abilities of a complete moron to eff up a perfectly good situation.

jgalecpa 11-15-2009 10:15 AM

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Knowing the Daniel, how would probably hire Steve Colbert instead.


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