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He's about to (he may have already) signed a multi-year extension that will give him a lot more responsibilities than just Monday Night Football

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Sucks...I wouldn't have minded him heading up the skins

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So add him to the names Cowher and Holmgren that won't be in DC next year. Do you think Gruden is angling to be the next Madden?

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Good for him. I really don't want him here anyway.

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I think we are gonna get Shanahan.

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[quote=hooskins;626033]I think we are gonna get Shanahan.[/quote]
Dallas will be gunning hard for Shanahan, especially if they tank in December.

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Crazy thought here, but what if the team somehow manages to pull it together down the stretch and finish around .500? Do we still dump Zorn?

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[quote=Mattyk72;626038]Crazy thought here, but what if the team somehow manages to pull it together down the stretch and finish around .500? Do we still dump Zorn?[/quote]

We dump Vinny and let the new, real GM make the decision

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[quote=Mattyk72;626038]Crazy thought here, but what if the team somehow manages to pull it together down the stretch and finish around .500? Do we still dump Zorn?[/quote]

If that happens, we still need to dump Cerrato and the new guy will bring in his own coach etc.

If Gruden, gets an offer he likes he'll jump ship from ESPN.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;626035]Dallas will be gunning hard for Shanahan, especially if they tank in December.[/quote]

I don't get the hype for Shanahan. Plus Dallas isn't a good fit for him. Is he really going to go work for Jones after working for a hands off guy like Bowlen? I don't think we'll see Shanahan in Dallas. It's either going to be here or nowhere.

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We know contracts arent worth the paper they are printed on. If he gets a HC offer he likes he will leave.

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Well I think what Snyder wants more than anything is for thing to succeed with Cerrato and Zorn and show that he made the right decision.

Nonetheless, even if we do win I think Zorn is gone and Cerrato will be moved to another non-decision making position. But Zorn's replacement could be in-house. Jerry Gray? And Lewis remains as offensive play-caller?

However, let's not forget all the struggles we've had this season. Which is why I think they're going to make changes.

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We could win all our remaining games and I would still dump Zorn, he's hopeless.

Getting Shanahan is my worst nightmare.

Do you know how many playoff games he won in his last 10 years with Denver?

One!

That's right, one! Exactly half the number [I]we[/I] have in the last 10 years.

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[quote=skinsfan69;626045]I don't get the hype for Shanahan. Plus Dallas isn't a good fit for him. Is he really going to go work for Jones after working for a hands off guy like Bowlen? I don't think we'll see Shanahan in Dallas. It's either going to be here or nowhere.[/quote]

Dallas is a strong candidate for Shanahan. But I wouldn't sleep on San Diego.

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Thank god.

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[quote=skinsfan69;626045]I don't get the hype for Shanahan. Plus Dallas isn't a good fit for him. Is he really going to go work for Jones after working for a hands off guy like Bowlen? I don't think we'll see Shanahan in Dallas. It's either going to be here or nowhere.[/quote]

I am not hyping him, don't really want him here. But Dallas has links, I forget who/how, and Shanahan is a name that both JJ and DS would like to have. Smoot's point of San Diego also makes a lot of sense. He's been at the Raiders and Denver, and probably would be happy to stay in that division.

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My gut feeling still has Billick here, with guys like Mooch or Martz not too far behind as choices.

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Billick? UGH, i'd rather promote Cerrato to HC.

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[quote=SmootSmack;626051]Dallas is a strong candidate for Shanahan. But I wouldn't sleep on San Diego.[/quote]

Please, please, Dallas or San Diego, take Shanny so that we can't.

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I thought Billick as well for a while Smoot. If we get a Shanahan I hope that it's the yougner one in Houston !

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[quote=Mattyk72;626038]Crazy thought here, but what if the team somehow manages to pull it together down the stretch and finish around .500? Do we still dump Zorn?[/quote]

Interesting you mention that because in reality, we have not heard anyone in the organization say Zorn will not return next year. The only people hyping the Zorn firing have been fans and media types.

When Cerrato anounced Zorn would be the coach for the remainder of the season, he also used the word "beyond" which could imply thinking beyond 2010. As for Gruden, I've never thought he was the man for either the team or the town. Happy he's extended with ESPN.

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[quote=Longtimefan;626100]Interesting you mention that because in reality, we have not heard anyone in the organization say Zorn will not return next year. The only people hyping the Zorn firing have been fans and media types.

When Cerrato anounced Zorn would be the coach for the remainder of the season, he also used the word "beyond" which could imply thinking beyond 2010. As for Gruden, I've never thought he was the man for either the team or the town. Happy he's extended with ESPN.[/quote]

Yeah, this thought has come into my mind and scares me. He can't be trusted to call plays, but we would keep him another year? Yes, it IS possible for some reason.

I think we need a housecleaning that includes Cerrato and Zorn.

Shame that Gruden apparently is out of the running, I would have loved to see him here. He IS a great announcer though, he's becoming one of my favorites and helps cancel out Jaws.

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[quote=Longtimefan;626100]Interesting you mention that because in reality, we have not heard anyone in the organization say Zorn will not return next year. The only people hyping the Zorn firing have been fans and media types.

When Cerrato anounced Zorn would be the coach for the remainder of the season, he also used the word "beyond" which could imply thinking beyond 2010. As for Gruden, I've never thought he was the man for either the team or the town. Happy he's extended with ESPN.[/quote]

The only way Zorn stays next year is if Snyder can't land Gruden, Cowher,Shannahan, Holmgren, etc... which is becoming increasingly likely right now.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;626116]The only way Zorn stays next year is if Snyder can't land Gruden, Cowher,Shannahan, Holmgren, etc... which is becoming increasingly likely right now.[/quote]

But logically Zorn would have to be gone before Snyder can attempt to land a coach like you previously named. I wonder if we'd even be having the 'what if' discussion if Denver would have blown our doors off yesterday.

I still say there's no way that Zorn stays. Lewis isn't going to want to return next year and Snyder won't sit idly by and ignore how bad it's been since last October. The only thing that saves Zorn is about 9 more straight wins.

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Like I said I thought Shanahan would be our next coach, I wasn't really a fan of gruden coming here.

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I think all that the Sherm Lewis situation has done is to prove that Zorn is not a good playcaller while that is where Gruden is far better. I believe Gruden would be a good fit here.I mean hell he won with Al Davis so why not?

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i'm sure his ESPN contract contains a get-out clause if he gets another HC job... also, pretty positive that zorn is gone... even if the FO had faith in him, which they don't, it would need to be done from a standpoint of getting the bad taste of this season out of the mouths of the fan base...

i also believe that anyone -- even cowher and holmgren -- are possible HC candidates... money talks...

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[quote=poopoobigelow;626203]i'm sure his ESPN contract contains a get-out clause if he gets another HC job... also, pretty positive that zorn is gone... even if the FO had faith in him, which they don't, it would need to be done from a standpoint of getting the bad taste of this season out of the mouths of the fan base...

i also believe that anyone -- even cowher and [B]holmgre[/B]n -- are possible HC candidates... money talks...[/quote]

I think the Browns are pretty much going to hand over the organization to Holmgren (from what I heard on either the ESPN or NFLN...can't remember which), so I doubt he'd come here.

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[quote=Ruhskins;626232]I think the Browns are pretty much going to hand over the organization to Holmgren (from what I heard on either the ESPN or NFLN...can't remember which), so I doubt he'd come here.[/quote]

oh, i wouldn't put any money on it... just saying we shouldn't rule anyone out because most anyone follows the money... and we have a lot of that here...

also, i think snyder is desperate enough that he might hand over the keys to someone... so, i wouldn't rule out full control guys, either...

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[quote=Mattyk72;626038]Crazy thought here, but what if the team somehow manages to pull it together down the stretch and finish around .500? Do we still dump Zorn?[/quote]

Zorn may well be here cause who wants to work for Snyder? Jim Fassell maybe but I don't think any of the high profile coordinators or ex coaches would ever come here.

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My top notch Gruden source reminds me that he's told me for weeks now Gruden's not coming here. I had my doubts briefly though. I don't the specifics of his deal off-hand but an out before the end of next season is very unlikely.

Snyder will, I'm sure, make another very strong push for Shanahan (which means Kyle Shanahan and Bob Slowik as well probably).

Cowher is always a name that's floated around, but I think Snyder has kind of cooled on him

I've never heard Billick's name mentioned quite honestly, but I just have a feeling about him

Mooch's name is often floated around but I think that's more so because he (and Bruce Allen) seem to "consult" often with the Redskins front office. But he really doesn't want to leave the west coast if he doesn't have to.

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[quote=skinsfan69;626247][B]Zorn may well be here cause who wants to work for Snyder?[/B] Jim Fassell maybe but I don't think any of the high profile coordinators or ex coaches would ever come here.[/quote]

I think it's been established by people that know more than you and I that this is not an issue.

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[quote=Mattyk72;626038]Crazy thought here, but what if the team somehow manages to pull it together down the stretch and finish around .500? Do we still dump Zorn?[/quote]

This would piss me off. Yes. If anything at all....if DS is thinking this aint too bad, ....keep Sherm Lewis who is doing his best to fix this cluster.

Even though he has/is going to sign an agreement with ESPN, usually there is a clause in the contract which states that if they get picked up by a team to be their HC they can leave with out any problems. So Gruden is still possibly on the table. It just shows he's happy where he is and most likely wants to make sure he is still getting paid unless the right HCing job comes along.

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Wow -- there's a lot of hate for Mike Shanahan apparently. I don't really see why, the man has a 138-86 record in Denver, a .615 winning percentage in the playoffs, and two shiney Lombardi trophies.

People will say that he couldn't win championships without Elway. But for a long time there were coaches that couldn't win [I]with[/I] Elway. If you look at his record in Denver, he had two losing seasons; 6-10 in 1999, and 7-9 in 2007 which was sandwiched in between 9-7 in '06, and 8-8 in his final year there.

So at worst, the Broncos fell into mediocrity in his last three seasons.

I really don't get how Mike Shanahan takes such a big hit around here.

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Shanahan's rep as a front office exec is highly questionable at best. Also, because of his failures in the front office his teams barely scraped by in a relatively weak division (in my opinion).

Also, it seems like a lock that he will bring in Slowik as DC and his son as Assistant Head Coach-OC. I like Kyle, not totally sold on Slowik.

Either way, as a head coach I think Shanahan is one of the better ones out there. But if he came here we're most likely talking about bringing him in to be in charge of our personnel as well...which I'm not as comfortable with.

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[quote=Paintrain;626152]But logically Zorn would have to be gone before Snyder can attempt to land a coach like you previously named. I wonder if we'd even be having the 'what if' discussion if Denver would have blown our doors off yesterday.
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Snyder is like a monkey swinging from tree to tree. He won't let go of one branch until he has hold of another.

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According to Keim, Snyder doesn't want Cowher, not the other way around - which is strange, because i feel he is, by far, the #1 HC prospect out there. I wonder if Cowher has said something publicaly or privately that bruised Snyders ego or something. Keim also agrees that Gruden is out of consideration.

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/What-Grudens-deal-means-for-Redskins-70193777.html]What Gruden's deal means for Redskins | Washington Examiner[/url]

Holmgren has removed himself from consideration, so at this point, shanahan is really the only guy out there that we have a chance of getting... and i don't like that one bit. Our options really are very very limited right now. I don't know why Billick and Mooch are even in consideration. They'd both be worse than Zorn.

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[quote=SmootSmack;626051]Dallas is a strong candidate for Shanahan. But I wouldn't sleep on San Diego.[/quote]

Possibly, but SD is playing well now, 6-3, just having beaten a quality tema in the Eagles.

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Not that MS is my first choice but I'd be happy w/ him. He's a proven winner. His teams always can run the ball and generally had a pretty decent defense. We could do alot worse.

As long as VC is gone and we have someone his position that we can trust to make wise football decisions i'm ok w/ it. I'd rather go young, w/ someone like Kyle S or B Schott, but if it's Mike Shanahan i'm ok.

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[quote=SmootSmack;626249]My top notch Gruden source reminds me that he's told me for weeks now Gruden's not coming here. I had my doubts briefly though. I don't the specifics of his deal off-hand but an out before the end of next season is very unlikely.

Snyder will, I'm sure, make another very strong push for Shanahan (which means Kyle Shanahan and Bob Slowik as well probably).

Cowher is always a name that's floated around, but I think Snyder has kind of cooled on him

I've never heard Billick's name mentioned quite honestly, but I just have a feeling about him

Mooch's name is often floated around but I think that's more so because he (and Bruce Allen) seem to "consult" often with the Redskins front office. But he really doesn't want to leave the west coast if he doesn't have to.[/quote]

I still wouldn't rule out Gruden even though I don't want him. But a Holmgren/Gruden team might be interesting. I just don't see Holmgren being the type to put DS in his place if he meddles too much.

I get the feeling there is some deal already in place for Shanahan. Just a feeling I have. Shanahan probably refused to take the job mid season saying he won't be able to fix it until off season when he can bring in his coach's he needs and wants and players for his system.

I thought Cowher might take the job sense his daughter went to like George Mason or something like that. He would be relatively close for any activities she might be a part of but I think all that has cooled. I don't see him working for the Browns. He has a decent image and it's all over the Steelers, he would piss off a lot of people if he jumped ship to the Browns. I can see him heading west or working for a NFC team which would not be a Steeler rival. Perhaps Carolina which has been a topic of discussion.

Mooch. Hmm. Wasn't he interviewed for the job the last go around and eventually he stated he turned the opportunity down? Again I just don't see Mooch leaving the west coast and working for DS. Not a bad pick if he has the right help other wise pass.

Fassel is always a candidate. He is despirate to get back into football. Snubbed twice and I bet he would interview again for the job. It's not that I don't like him, it's just I don't like him. I never saw what he brought to the table for the Giants. I wondered through his yrs there why the Giants held on to him so long. Pass.

Billick. Honeslty he reminds me of Fassel. He might not tolerate being interviewed and snubbed even once but he always seemed to struggle with the Ravens offense. Oh their defenses were #1 but how much of that was his DC's doing. Billick just couldn't get an offense to take flight.

Ok so "if" my personal feeling about these candidates were remotely close, now who do we pick? I don't know. I have made no bones about who I think they should bring in but I also know they won't. Marty would put the prima dona's in their places and be able to tell DS he's not going to tolerate his meddling. Plus Marty is supposed to be good friends with him now since DS's wife had her breast cancer and Marty gave him a name of a good doctor. Both have the wives and cancer issues in common so their would be something in common. Having said that would DS actually eat crow and bring in Marty....most likely no. I'd be supprised if he did.

Other then that I don't know who would be a candidate. I guess getting the top notch GM would be better and letting him bring in a HC he knows he can count on.