does tom brady have his own rules?
 

so everyone jokes about this, but seriously why does he get special treatment. if it was brady instead of campbell in there against the eagles then that drive would have continued, i think we all said something to that effect.

and tonight brady just threw a pass which i would think is more than obvious intentional grounding. he was outside the tackle box but the ball was easily 5 yards short of the line of scrimage. but the ref and the annoucers said he was out of the pocket and got the ball at or near the line of scrimage wtf does that mean? is this a new brady tuck rule, i'm so sick of this s what is the deal with the nfl's man crush on this guy can anyone please explain this to me

from nfl.com [url=http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/intentionalgrounding]NFL Rules Digest: Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass[/url]

Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass
Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released.
Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.
[I]Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, [B][U]throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage[/U][/B], even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line).[/I]

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Tom Brady just got benched....wow.

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[quote=Ruhskins;632703]Tom Brady just got benched....wow.[/quote]

i guess the cheater gave up

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It was pretty obvious that Brady threw the pass you are talking about to no one. He threw it away and it did not reach the line of scrimmage.


Technically, that is a penalty. However, since that rule has been on the books, the way it has been called is that the ball has to "get close to" the line of scrimmage. I can never recall a time when the referees ever marked the spot at which the ball landed and then "measured" with regard to the sideline marker that indicates the line of scrimmage on a given play.


This is sort of like the way the rule is called about offensive linemen having to be on the line of scrimmage. On passing downs, some of them are almost a full yard behind the line as the ball is snapped. The officials have to think that the guy is egregiously off the line before it is called. Technically, the offensive line should be straight as an arrow; how many times - - other than a 3rd and inches situation - - does that happen?


Brady gets breaks in calls because he is on a successful team. That happens to successful teams. It's not right, but that is the way things go down. The Colts get "beneficial calls". In tonight's game, the Saints got away with a couple of holding calls on pass patterns. If that had not been the Saints back there and instead it was the St. Louis Rams, flags would have flown...

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Brady is a douche.

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Yes, I've seen numerous hits, lunges from the knees, etc that would've been penalties against Brady not end up being penalties on other QBs, I mentioned it in the other discussion about this. Brady looks and fights for the flag though, unlike a lot of QBs.

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At some point the NFL is going to have to admit biased towards Brady and/or NE in general.

Belichick is a known cheater, and possible briber....at some point he is going to be exposed..its a matter of time. One day somebody is going to come foreward about the extent of his treachery.

I wanted him to get a coaching ban after they proved he cheated a few years ago. At the very least, maybe take the Superbowl wins away, because he may have cheated to win those games too....

Belichick is going to be exposed...trust me

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Meh I dunno, I saw a few hits on him last night that could have been called and weren't. Of course stars get some calls that others don't, that's not unique to the NFL though.

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Belichick simply makes me sick sometimes.

Why did he take his starters out? This is a coach that is known to keep his starters in the game, throw deep when they are winning 59-0 late in the 4th quarter.

Now, when he is obviously getting his ass handed to him and embarassed and humiliated on national TV, he just quits!?!?!? :frusty:

I remember the 2007 season when he u[FONT=Calibri]nnecessarily[/FONT] ran up the score in several games when the outcome was well decided.

Seems to me a lot of team remember that. And now that favor will be returned upon him several times over.

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Brady is a superstar and he is going to get a lot of the calls that other teams wont. Once the Redskins become perennial contenders, our qbs and linemen will get a lot of good calls for us too.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;632781]Belichick simply makes me sick sometimes.

Why did he take his starters out? This is a coach that is known to keep his starters in the game, throw deep when they are winning 59-0 late in the 4th quarter.

Now, when he is obviously getting his ass handed to him and embarassed and humiliated on national TV, he just quits!?!?!? :frusty:

I remember the 2007 season when he u[FONT=Calibri]nnecessarily[/FONT] ran up the score in several games when the outcome was well decided.

Seems to me a lot of team remember that. And now that favor will be returned upon him several times over.[/quote]

Yeah it is pretty ironic that he doesn't hesitate to keep the peddle down when the game is in his favor, but he basically throws in the towel last night when he was the one getting spanked.

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I hope the rest of the NFL takes notice. If you are beating the Patriots....keep the hammer down...embarass and humilitate them just like they did everyone else.....

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I know this is a Brady thread, but let me say I was absolutely impressed with the Saints last night. Yeah, they beat the Pats and that was no shock considering how well the Saint have played this year. But it was [I]how[/I] they beat the Pats and the intensity they exhibited from start to finish.

The Pats receivers had alligator arms (see Daren Sharper and Jonathan Vilma) on a few receptions, Brady took some good licks, and it was overall a hard hitting game. They didn't have a let down, which would have been completely understandable considering they were playing the Pats and the Saints were undefeated.

The Saints were the better team last night and they knew it.

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In keeping with the thread's title, yes, Tom Brady is the Lebron James of football. If the chains aren't moving for the Pats, the refs somehow aren't doing their job and Brady and Belichick will let them know.

What's sad is an inferior team has to play their A game when they face the Pats because they're not going to get many calls to go in their favor.

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Yep, great game by the Saints last night. I was never a big Sean Payton fan, but I think I'm a fan now. Great playcalling last night...and execution.

Did anyone see that Gregg Williams D was leading the NFL in takeaways? Wasn't that what fans got on him for in DC? I guess it is the guys that play on the field afterall.

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You can take more chances and play a more agressive defense when your offense is virtually unstoppable. That, and the players in NO are pretty good too.

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[quote=redsk1;632796]Yep, great game by the Saints last night. I was never a big Sean Payton fan, but I think I'm a fan now. Great playcalling last night...and execution.

Did anyone see that Gregg Williams D was leading the NFL in takeaways? Wasn't that what fans got on him for in DC? I guess it is the guys that play on the field afterall.[/quote]
Yeah thats friggin ironic. Oncea again former NFC East coaches making history once the chains are off.

Sean Payton was the offensive coordinator for the Tuna in Dallas.
Greg Williams was the Defensive coordinator in Washington.

Both should have been promoted to head coach instead of letting them walk.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;632781]Belichick simply makes me sick sometimes.

Why did he take his starters out? This is a coach that is known to keep his starters in the game, throw deep when they are winning 59-0 late in the 4th quarter.

Now, when he is obviously getting his ass handed to him and embarassed and humiliated on national TV, he just quits!?!?!? :frusty:

[B]I remember the 2007 season when he u[FONT=Calibri]nnecessarily[/FONT] ran up the score in several games when the outcome was well decided.[/B]

Seems to me a lot of team remember that. And now that favor will be returned upon him several times over.[/quote]One of those games he ran up the score in '07 was against the Skins, when he still had Brady throwing bombs to Moss with a 38-0 lead in the 4th quarter. If the Skins are ever in the position the Saints were in vs. Belicheat last night, I hope we keep our foot on the throttle, and step on their throats.

After enjoying the Saints thoroughly undressing Brady/Belicheat on national TV, I believe they may be my surrogate team this postseason, but of course, I'm rooting for the Skins to beat them on Sunday.

BTW, Drew Brees has been notoriously poor against the Skins. In 3 career starts (1-2), he has a 1-6 TD/INT ratio, and his best yardage game of the three was 216 yards last year, which was his worst yardage game in 2008. The Skins may not win, but I wouldn't pick the Saints to cover 17 points, which just might be the spread for Sunday.

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I can't understand why people hate on Brady. Yeah the crying against Baltimore was a bitch move but so what? If he was a Redskin everyone here would be on the guy's jock. I don't think he has his own rules. He got knocked around pretty good last night. But face it, when Brady is on the field it's great for the NFL. I mean look at all the hoopla all week long...Brady vs. Bress, the way the game was being marketed you'd think Brady and Bress were going to box.

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[quote=SouperMeister;632812[B]]One of those games he ran up the score in '07 was against the Skins, when he still had Brady throwing bombs to Moss with a 38-0 lead in the 4th quarter. If the Skins are ever in the position the Saints were in vs. Belicheat last night, I hope we keep our foot on the throttle, and step on their throats.[/B]

After enjoying the Saints thoroughly undressing Brady/Belicheat on national TV, I believe they may be my surrogate team this postseason, but of course, I'm rooting for the Skins to beat them on Sunday.

BTW, Drew Brees has been notoriously poor against the Skins. In 3 career starts (1-2), he has a 1-6 TD/INT ratio, and his best yardage game of the three was 216 yards last year, which was his worst yardage game in 2008. The Skins may not win, but I wouldn't pick the Saints to cover 17 points, which just might be the spread for Sunday.[/quote]

It's the NFL. Too freakin bad. It's not NE's job to stop playing offense just cause we can't stop them. I remember this game very well and everyone around here was up in arms. I don't understand why. I use this as an example..I think it was Gibbs' last year in 92 and we beat the shit out of the Cardinals. The game was over and Gibbs put in Cary Conklin and threw the ball to Monk for a TD very late in the 4th q. Remember who the coach was for the Cardinbals? Joe Bugel. In other words Gibbs ran it up on one of his own guys.

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Wow, unbelievable New England is in the AFC who gives a flying fuck if he gets the calls over there,(but if we r going there) have you guys seen a Colt game before ? Lineman hold the whole game, phantom pass interference calls. I'd say if anyone has there own rules it's the Mannings. Remember Peyton complaining about how physical New England got with there corners, and the next year the 5 yard rule was implemented. And don't forget Polian I think the ref's eat dinner at his house..IMO

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I guess these are the types of threads we get at 3&7. When your winning these thing just don't matter and you don't even notice them.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;632752]At some point the NFL is going to have to admit biased towards Brady and/or NE in general.

Belichick is a known cheater, and possible briber....at some point he is going to be exposed..its a matter of time. One day somebody is going to come foreward about the extent of his treachery.

I wanted him to get a coaching ban after they proved he cheated a few years ago. At the very least, maybe take the Superbowl wins away, because he may have cheated to win those games too....

Belichick is going to be exposed...trust me[/quote]

by is you mean "I want him to be"

the evidence from spygate was destroyed instead of tucked away in nfl headquarters

I doubt anybody ever comes forward and if it does happen it will be a Donaghy type situation

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[quote=SouperMeister;632812]One of those games he ran up the score in '07 was against the Skins, when he still had Brady throwing bombs to Moss with a 38-0 lead in the 4th quarter. If the Skins are ever in the position the Saints were in vs. Belicheat last night, I hope we keep our foot on the throttle, and step on their throats.

After enjoying the Saints thoroughly undressing Brady/Belicheat on national TV, I believe they may be my surrogate team this postseason, but of course, I'm rooting for the Skins to beat them on Sunday.

BTW, Drew Brees has been notoriously poor against the Skins. In 3 career starts (1-2), he has a 1-6 TD/INT ratio, and his best yardage game of the three was 216 yards last year, which was his worst yardage game in 2008. The Skins may not win, but I wouldn't pick the Saints to cover 17 points, which just might be the spread for Sunday.[/quote]



Go back and look at the game play-by-play for that game where the Pats "ran it up" on the Redskins. Late in the game the Skins scored a TD and then they tried an on-side kick down about 5 TDs at the time.

If you are going to try that kind of nonsense with a game out of hand, then get ready to play defense. What the Skins did then was take a stick and try to poke at a beast that was able to torment them - - and was in the process of doing it.

If you want the other team to take their foot off the gas, you can't continue to try to pretend that this is still a winnable game.

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I was at the Saint / Pat game, it was great seeing Bill and Brady staring at the score in the 4th. Brady took his ball and went home late in the 4th... and this is supposed to be the great leader? looks more like a spoiled child when things dont go his way. lost alot of respect for brady in this one.

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[quote=skinsfan69;632830]It's the NFL. Too freakin bad. [B]It's not NE's job to stop playing offense just cause we can't stop them[/B]. I remember this game very well and everyone around here was up in arms. I don't understand why. I use this as an example..I think it was Gibbs' last year in 92 and we beat the shit out of the Cardinals. The game was over and Gibbs put in Cary Conklin and threw the ball to Monk for a TD very late in the 4th q. Remember who the coach was for the Cardinbals? Joe Bugel. In other words Gibbs ran it up on one of his own guys.[/quote]

I agree 100% if you don't want them to do it, well F'n STOP THEM! I find it even more embarrassing that a team had to take it easy on us cuz they're whooping our ass so bad. I don't understand how anyone could feel any better by getting a "lesser" ass whooping cuz they took their starters out or stopped trying. Personally I'd rather them keep their starters in and keep playing football, Besides what if the 2nd string comes in and continues to whoop your ass even more? I'd rather get killed by the starters :)

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[quote=skinsfan69;632830]It's the NFL. Too freakin bad. It's not NE's job to stop playing offense just cause we can't stop them. I remember this game very well and everyone around here was up in arms. I don't understand why. I use this as an example..I think it was Gibbs' last year in 92 and we beat the shit out of the Cardinals. The game was over and Gibbs put in Cary Conklin and threw the ball to Monk for a TD very late in the 4th q. Remember who the coach was for the Cardinbals? Joe Bugel. In other words Gibbs ran it up on one of his own guys.[/quote]

Well the difference on that is that Gibbs is not a prick like Belichick. Sean Peyton could have easily ran up the score on Monday...and in this case it would have been somewhat justified because New England is like the bad guy in a horror movie, you have to shoot them three times in the head and cut it off to make sure they are dead. But Peyton didn't, notice that they went more to the run when Darth Hoody had thrown in the towel.

When the Pats killed the Redskins, the thing that killed me was them going for it on 4th and short even when they were like three TDs ahead. Which was a standard Belichick practice, along with keeping your starters well into the 4th quarter after building double-digit leads. But you know what? I'm not complaining about that anymore because the Pats lost the Superbowl that year (since they were more concerned about the undefeated record than winning the Superbowl), Tom Brady went down with injury the next year, and they missed the playoffs even after having a winning record.

The funny thing about this is that running up the score...or well not doing that, is sort of an unwritten rule, yet the guy that did it a lot (Belichick) bitched about some unwritten rule about other coaches going after players in the waiver wire....I can't remember exactly what it was but I know he bitched about it.

[quote=Chevy13;633054]I agree 100% if you don't want them to do it, well F'n STOP THEM! I find it even more embarrassing that a team had to take it easy on us cuz they're whooping our ass so bad. I don't understand how anyone could feel any better by getting a "lesser" ass whooping cuz they took their starters out or stopped trying. Personally I'd rather them keep their starters in and keep playing football,[B] Besides what if the 2nd string comes in and continues to whoop your ass even more?[/B] I'd rather get killed by the starters :)[/quote]

Well if the 2nd stringers continue to whoop on you that's on the team. But Belichick kept his starters well into the 4th quarter after building three TD leads. But like I said, it eventually came around to him.

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There's a difference between winning big and running up a score. It always amazes me when people don't/can't see the difference.

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I can't believe we're still talking about this game two years later

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Back to the point, I just found it hilarious to see Brady getting pulled from the game when they were getting spanked. Very ironic considering snide comments like these when he was the one dishing out the punishment:

[QUOTE]Asked why he would go for two fourth downs in a blowout, Belichick responded, "What do you want us to do, kick a field goal?"

Pressed further, he said, "It's 38-0. It's fourth down. We're just out there playing."[/QUOTE]

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Funny how Brady is first to shake the opposing QB's hand after he throws for 4td's and beats them by 20 yet he ran off the field as soon as time expired last Monday. I wasnt paying attention but my friends wife said he left without shaking.

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[quote=tryfuhl;632943]by is you mean "I want him to be"

the evidence from spygate was destroyed instead of tucked away in nfl headquarters

I doubt anybody ever comes forward and if it does happen it will be a Donaghy type situation[/quote]

did anyone else see the video footage that they showed, jay glazer had like 45 secs of it somehow, that guy gets his hands on everything, but it was a camera that zoomed in on the play caller giving siginals, then panned up to the down and distance and time. the fact the he is still allowed to be a head coach is a joke, it was blatant cheating.

and the fact that it was destrroyed is rediculious, why would you destroy it instead of keeping it for further investigations, or even for records

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[quote=mlmdub130;633101]did anyone else see the video footage that they showed, jay glazer had like 45 secs of it somehow, that guy gets his hands on everything, but it was a camera that zoomed in on the play caller giving siginals, then panned up to the down and distance and time. the fact the he is still allowed to be a head coach is a joke, it was blatant cheating.

and the fact that it was destrroyed is rediculious, why would you destroy it instead of keeping it for further investigations, or even for records[/quote]

Because in the end it only makes the NFL look bad. Better to sweep it under the rug and move on ASAP.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;633097]Funny how Brady is first to shake the opposing QB's hand after he throws for 4td's and beats them by 20 yet he ran off the field as soon as time expired last Monday. I wasnt paying attention but my friends wife said he left without shaking.[/quote]

I don't think thats correct. I know for a fact that Belichick went over and stoped Brees and shook his hand and I'm almost 100% that Brady shook his hand before that. I was actually surprised to see Belichick tracked down Brees as he was running off the field to shake his hand.

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i think pft hit the nail on the head here

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/02/rule-book-sends-mixed-signals-on-jason-campbell-hit/]Rule book sends mixed signals on Jason Campbell hit | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;633073]There's a difference between winning big and running up a score. It always amazes me when people don't/can't see the difference.[/quote]

I don't see what the use is of crying about a team beating us 38-0 and still playing football and trying to score. not a big difference imo but I guess I'm not as sympathetic for the losing team (I won't complain if we do it and I wont cry if it's done to us) but it's ok with me if it makes ppl feel better to have a team release the pedal on you or play "less aggressive" after being on top by double digits in the 4th qtr it doesn't really bother me as much as other ppl, an ass whooping is an ass whooping if they choose to run up a score or not. but like I said i'm just not as sympathetic whether it be us or another team doing it to us. That's just my opinion and the Patriots running up the score on us didn't make the loss any harder for me and it wouldn't of been any better for me had they not "ran up the score". For whoever thinks it's a big deal well what goes around comes around they'll have to suffer while another team ignores the "unwritten rule" against them someday :) but for me if we lose I won't cry or complain that they scored more points than they needed to or went for it on 4th down in the 4th qtr up by double digits like if that was the problem... Maybe the problem is that we're losing 38-0

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It's just the simple issue of sportsmanship for me. Going for it on 4th and 2 when you are up 38-0 is simply bad sportsmanship.

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[quote=Ruhskins;633069]

When the Pats killed the Redskins, the thing that killed me was them going for it on 4th and short even when they were like three TDs ahead. Which was a standard Belichick practice, along with keeping your starters well into the 4th quarter after building double-digit leads.
[/quote]
That still doesn't bother me. You've gotta be at least 3 TDs up before you let up. Look at when the Saints came back after losing to the Dolphins, down 24-3 wasn't it?

You have to practice 4th and short situations in game and that was a good chance to see what they could do. Sure they probably knew that they had it, but whatever.

It's a competitive game, compete or don't.

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[quote=mlmdub130;633132]i think pft hit the nail on the head here

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/02/rule-book-sends-mixed-signals-on-jason-campbell-hit/"]Rule book sends mixed signals on Jason Campbell hit | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]
That's funny because I've seen a QB get landed on with all of the weight but not thrown down in any sort of way. It surely doesn't support the "[U]and[/U]" portion of that rule.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;632983]Go back and look at the game play-by-play for that game where the Pats "ran it up" on the Redskins. Late in the game the Skins scored a TD and then they tried an on-side kick down about 5 TDs at the time.

If you are going to try that kind of nonsense with a game out of hand, then get ready to play defense. What the Skins did then was take a stick and try to poke at a beast that was able to torment them - - and was in the process of doing it.

If you want the other team to take their foot off the gas, you can't continue to try to pretend that this is still a winnable game.[/quote]

Great post and very true.