Orakpo gradually shifting to DE?
 

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[QUOTE]According to [B]CBS Rapid Reports[/B], the 13th overall draft pick Brian Orakpo is working more on the defensive line while HB Blades picks up additional time at practices with the starters. Could this be the logical shift that made sense when Orakpo was drafted?[/QUOTE]

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I could see us switching to a 3-4 next season.. Depending on our new hc

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Seems the writer of the article assumes this would be a permanent change, but look at our opponent; the saints are gonna throw the ball a lot & Blache may just be starting Rak at DE for this game only.

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I saw the link on that other redskins forum and also didnt see this as a big deal.

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thats good news for orakpo and blades.

maybe this was done b/c of jarmon's injury.

go skins!!

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[quote=freddyg12;633572]Seems the writer of the article assumes this would be a permanent change, but look at our opponent; the saints are gonna throw the ball a lot & Blache may just be starting Rak at DE for this game only.[/quote]

That is a common misconception about the Saints. New Orleans has ran the ball 350 times, while they have passed the ball only 343 times through their first 11 games. To give you a sense of perspective, your Redskins have ran six more pass plays (349) this year than have the Saints and 67 fewer rushing attempts (283). I expect them to run the ball at even a higher clip than normal on Sunday.

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[quote=AsylumGuido;633592] I expect them to run the ball at even a higher clip than normal on Sunday.[/quote]

Is Haynesworth definitely out again?

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I thought Haynesworth was playing. Hall might too, though he won't start.

As for Orakpo, I think he'll always be a bit of a hybrid but with Jarmon out you may see him on the line more. I know they've talked about giving Wilson more playing time at LB over the last few games of the season

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[quote=AsylumGuido;633592]That is a common misconception about the Saints. New Orleans has ran the ball 350 times, while they have passed the ball only 343 times through their first 11 games. To give you a sense of perspective, your Redskins have ran six more pass plays (349) this year than have the Saints and 67 fewer rushing attempts (283). I expect them to run the ball at even a higher clip than normal on Sunday.[/quote]

The saints will dominate us with their run game... This will be the worst performance by our d this yr.. Hopefully hayneworth and hall will play bcuz we need them for this week..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;633602]The saints will dominate us with their run game... This will be the worst performance by our d this yr.. Hopefully hayneworth and hall will play bcuz we need them for this week..[/quote]

It sounds like Haynesworth is going to play, but it doesn't look like Hall will play..

Edit: on other hand, Gray says that Hall should be able to play but he won't start..

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[quote=AsylumGuido;633592]That is a common misconception about the Saints. [B][U]New Orleans has ran the ball 350 times, while they have passed the ball only 343 times through their first 11 games[/U][/B]. To give you a sense of perspective, your Redskins have ran six more pass plays (349) this year than have the Saints and 67 fewer rushing attempts (283). I expect them to run the ball at even a higher clip than normal on Sunday.[/quote]


that statement is a misconception. the only reason their running numbers are close to their passing numbers is because the saints usually jump out to a huge lead. once a lead is built ,they can run the ball more often, in an attemp to run the clock down.the passing game is the strength of their offense, not the run. the saints are definately a passing team.

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[quote=AsylumGuido;633592]That is a common misconception about the Saints. New Orleans has ran the ball 350 times, while they have passed the ball only 343 times through their first 11 games. To give you a sense of perspective, your Redskins have ran six more pass plays (349) this year than have the Saints and 67 fewer rushing attempts (283). I expect them to run the ball at even a higher clip than normal on Sunday.[/quote]

Good stuff...welcome to the board. Saints are definitely a balanced team and why wouldn't you be when you have Brees as your QB?

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[quote=wolfeskins;633609]that statement is a misconception. the only reason their running numbers are close to their passing numbers is because the saints usually jump out to a huge lead. once a lead is built ,they can run the ball more often, in an attemp to run the clock down.the passing game is the strength of their offense, not the run. the saints are definately a passing team.[/quote]

Actually, their first half numbers mirror the final breakdown. I'll see what I can come up with, but having seen every game it is always noted that the balance between run and pass is there even at the half and quite often weighed toward the run. In fact, in the four game stretch when the Saints had so many injuries and got behind early to the Dolphins and the Panthers they were forced to pass more in the second half.

Believe me, the Saints are not a passing team. They are a team that [U]can[/U] pass and can pass terribly efficiently. But, their offense is built around the run.

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[quote=AsylumGuido;633635]Actually, their first half numbers mirror the final breakdown. I'll see what I can come up with, but having seen every game it is always noted that the balance between run and pass is there even at the half and quite often weighed toward the run. In fact, in the four game stretch when the Saints had so many injuries and got behind early to the Dolphins and the Panthers they were forced to pass more in the second half.

Believe me, the Saints are not a passing team. They are a team that [U]can[/U] pass and can pass terribly efficiently. But, their offense is built around the run.[/quote]

i'll take your word for it, you would certainly know better than i would. any how i like how you used the term "terribly efficiently" when describing their pass offense. thats good stuff.

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[quote=wolfeskins;633638]i'll take your word for it, you would certainly know better than i would. any how i like how you used the term "terribly efficiently" when describing their pass offense. thats good stuff.[/quote]

Thanks. That's about the only way to describe it. When Brees goes out and puts up a perfect 158.3 passer efficiency rating against the Patriots bettering his season best and near perfect 156.8 that he had against the Giants it is hard to describe it any other way.

As for their running game, most people overlook the fact that they are leading the league in rushing TD's with 18.

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I definitely think LB will be a position that should be addressed in the offseason. I think its great to have Orakpo be sort of a hybrid, but he should be spending MOST of his time on the line.

On a side note, Rocky's play has been solid all year. He hasn't earned a "mega-deal" by any stretch of the imagination, but he's certainly a guy worth extending for 3-4 years to a modest contract... assuming that he fits in with the defensive scheme we'd be using under whoever our new HC is.

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the only way they will keep orakpo at dend is if we pick up merrimann next season

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[quote=diehardskin2982;633670]the only way they will keep orakpo at dend is if we pick up merrimann next season[/quote]

Rather draft Spikes at LB than see Merriman on the team.

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[quote=Chico23231;633671]Rather draft Spikes at LB than see Merriman on the team.[/quote]

Spikes is more likely to go in 1st round, I believe.. Basing on our situation, I think we are going to draft a OT in 1st round.. I don't see any point why we should sign Merriman, he is good at pass rushing but I don't think he excels at coverage..

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The last 2 games that Haynesworth has missed Orakpo did not have a sack. A/H is the main reason why this team is better at rushing the passer. I also would like to see Orakpo on the edge more and put a true LB in his position that can drop into coverage.

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If we go with a high priced FA, I'd like an OFFENSIVE LINEMAN, not Merriman.

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merriman is worthless now that he is off the juice

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[quote=wolfeskins;633609]that statement is a misconception. the only reason their running numbers are close to their passing numbers is because the saints usually jump out to a huge lead. once a lead is built ,they can run the ball more often, in an attemp to run the clock down.the passing game is the strength of their offense, not the run. the saints are definately a passing team.[/quote]I totally agree. And by the same token, our Skins have often fallen behind, and had to pass more to play catch up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;633602]The saints will dominate us with their run game... This will be the worst performance by our d this yr.. Hopefully hayneworth and hall will play bcuz we need them for this week..[/quote]

I know right, and they took away our best secret weapon since Roy Williams was playing safety for the Cowboys. Man I wish Reggie Bush was playing tomorrow.

ZOMG BUSH r REach out n flyz over pylon MVPz Madden omgwtfbbq!?!!?! Seriously it's like the media can not admit that they were wrong about this guy and talk about him like it's going to be a big blow to the Saints with him on the sidelines. Sure maybe he'll have a Brian Westbrook type turnaround but until that happens I don't want to hear anything concerning how great Reggie is. Right now he's an above average punt returner and reciever out of the backfield.

Also for the record, I too was wrong about Bush.

Crap, what were talking about?

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Thank God...its on my wish list (see sig)

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i like orakpo but he needs to learn how to hang on to nfl qbs. too many times he has had his hands on the qb only to lose his grip and see the qb go on to make a play.

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Brees is tough to sack. He's got great pocket presence and he gets the ball out.

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Defensive Rookie of the Year goes Brian Orapko!!!Please keep him at DE full-time!!!!

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4 sacks without Haynesworth imagine him the full season at DE probably have 16 by now.

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[quote=skins89moss;633732]The last 2 games that Haynesworth has missed Orakpo did not have a sack. A/H is the main reason why this team is better at rushing the passer. I also would like to see Orakpo on the edge more and put a true LB in his position that can drop into coverage.[/quote]

I guess this theory goes completely out the window.....No Haynesworth today and Orakpo has 4 sacks..........I do agree with you that we need a true cover LB though

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he is great at de and had a great game, but it was oakland, i wanna see him get 4 sack againts the giants or cowboys

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[quote=mlmdub130;639196]he is great at de and had a great game, but it was oakland, i wanna see him get 4 sack againts the giants or cowboys[/quote]

Yes, but he had a good showing against a bad offense, like he should. Don't be too quick to piss on the corn flakes there.

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Why is everyone want to switch to a 3-4 when a 4-3 is just fine. Daniels won't be there next year and if we draft a LB, that will allow Orakpo to move to DE with Carter., end of story.

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Orakpo is just a rookie! What is going to be like in year 2, year 4, or year 6? OMG. :)

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[quote=Ruhskins;639202]Yes, but he had a good showing against a bad offense, like he should. Don't be too quick to piss on the corn flakes there.[/quote]

i'm not did you read my whole post i said but it was against oakland and i wanna see him do it against nyg and dal

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[quote=Lotus;639206]Orakpo is just a rookie! What is going to be like in year 2, year 4, or year 6? OMG. :)[/quote]

hopefully a redskin

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[quote=mlmdub130;639209]i'm not did you read my whole post i said but it was against oakland and i wanna see him do it against nyg and dal[/quote]

I think with big Al in the middle he can do it. He also needs to be with his hand on the dirt more often.

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when he gets in that 4 point stance, he is a monster

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[quote=Ruhskins;639215]I think with big Al in the middle he can do it. [B]He also needs to be with his hand on the dirt more often[/B].[/quote]

yes.