Ganther likely to start vs Oakland and other notes from Sherm Smith interview
 

This came from yesterday, so things like Suisham are already known.

[LIST][*]You have to be able to count on your kicker, you don't know if you're going to get the TD running or passing so you have to count on the FG scoring points.. "If he can't make the kick, then the problem is, you need to get another kicker.."[*]Big game for DT, thinks that DT is recognizing his potential, needs to continue working hard so that he can play smarter, same with Davis[*]Jason is trusting that the 3 young pass catchers should be where they're supposed to and be able to catch it[*]Replacing Sellers in the gameplan may not be an issue, Jonathan Evans isn't ready, instead of just putting someone out there, maybe just a singleback/3 wr type set will give us a better chance to win, we have Yoder and Larenzo to do TE type duties[*]Line did a good job last week and they should do the same this week[*]Good possibility to start Ganther -- Who the better run is should get it, Ganther finishes runs off a bit better, it's about what he's doing, not about what Rock isn't and that you've got to do what will give the team the best chance to win. (I've seen the quote "It isn't about what Rock wants" thrown around a bit, it was in response to the question about Rock having been here for awhile and finally getting the chance). Quinton may get the 10-13 runs and Rock get the 8 or so rather than the other way around[/LIST]This is coming from the Sherman Smith sitdown with KJ part 2 in the video center playlist.

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Re: Ganther likely to start vs Oakland and other notes from Sherm Smith interview
 

I wish Cartwright had had a better game but Ganther looked good out there.

Why doesn't Yoder play more?

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[quote=perez24;636980]I wish Cartwright had had a better game but Ganther looked good out there.

Why doesn't Yoder play more?[/quote]
Not doing a lot with 2 TE sets right now. We may see him more though for blocking coming up.

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Cartwright just hasn't had the chance in the time he's been here....If he got the chance more often i guarantee he'd up his game.

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A need position at this point with both Portis and Betts on IR. Ganther getting more touches will also enable us to see if we have anything there future wise. He played well with limited chances against NO.

The Rock is always going to be solid, but with limitations. I expect Ganther, Rock and Mason to continue sharing the load as they did on Sunday.

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That being said, i wonder if the skins will use a draft pick on a RB, or will they just go the way of trying to fill holes through free agency...

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Ganther has been a pleasant surprise. I think there's a comfort level he and Smith have with each other from their Titans' days. No matter who starts, Ganther and Rock will essentially split about 20 carries right down the middle I think. The one guy who has fallen behind is Mason. He's still struggling in pass protection and he doesn't hit the hole as hard as the other two.

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there were a lot of people on this board that had a man crush on Mason during the pre season. he looks lost out there. where are all of you phonies now?

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[quote=SmootSmack;637000]Ganther has been a pleasant surprise. I think there's a comfort level he and Smith have with each other from their Titans' days. No matter who starts, Ganther and Rock will essentially split about 20 carries right down the middle I think. [B]The one guy who has fallen behind is Mason. He's still struggling in pass protection and he doesn't hit the hole as hard as the other two[/B].[/quote]

yeah he looks obviously behind, i was never sure on him, but rooted for him as a local guy. gotta wonder if he had been here this whole time what kind of progress he might have made.

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Even if Ganther starts, I expect Cartwright to get more touches. He was very good vs. the Saints too.

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[quote=Buster;637014]Even if Ganther starts, I expect Cartwright to get more touches. He was very good vs. the Saints too.[/quote]


I agree as well.

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[quote=dmek25;637002]there were a lot of people on this board that had a man crush on Mason during the pre season. he looks lost out there. where are all of you phonies now?[/quote]
Hindsight through a telescope eh? He looked good in the preseason, who knows what it is? I don't know what Ganther was doing in his off time nor Mason.

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[quote=Buster;637014]Even if Ganther starts, I expect Cartwright to get more touches. He was very good vs. the Saints too.[/quote]
It's possible, but if Smith is calling the running plays he may get that call. Does Smith pick personnel packages too or just the play from within?

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[quote=tryfuhl;637037]It's possible, but if Smith is calling the running plays he may get that call. Does Smith pick personnel packages too or just the play from within?[/quote]

Just the plays as I recall. Though I'm sure he's part of the discussion when deciding the personnel packages

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[quote=SmootSmack;637041]Just the plays as I recall. Though I'm sure he's part of the discussion when deciding the personnel packages[/quote]
Alright thanks; sounds about right as that'd be a bit too much going on if he was changing packages too.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;636993]That being said, i wonder if the skins will use a draft pick on a RB, or will they just go the way of trying to fill holes through free agency...[/quote]

I think spending one of our first two draft picks on a RB would be ideal (the other draft pick obviously on Oline). I like Spiller or the guy from Ole Miss...similiar type of players, not 30+ carries, pound the rock guys but more of the change of pace backs with high, big play potential. I think pairing one these guys with either Betts or Portis (I think Portis probably done) would make a nice combo. Another plus is both these guys have kick/punter return capibilities. I really think we lack playmakers on offense and need to add a substantial threat guy...I dont think we have anybody that really scares D cordinators when watching film....but this Thomas guy

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Ganther might be our Ryan Grant, Amhad Bradshaw, Pierre Thomas, Willie Parker, etc. One of those guys that is far from elite but were largely overlooked out of college and went on to play vital roles in their team's offense.

RB will be an interesting position to watch this offseason.

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There was a reason Mason was not with another team and I'm guessing we will see why this new kicker was not on another team. I hope I'm wrong about the new kicker but if he was any good he would have been on a team.

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FD, Gano was a rookie, he got picked up by Baltimore, (who has recently cut their other kicker) and after preseason went right into the UFL, where he kicked a championship game winner. I don't know how good Gano will be, but I don't think he is like a lot of other re-treads out there, or Mason, who has bounced from PS to PS. Hopefully he finds a home here.

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[quote=firstdown;637109]There was a reason Mason was not with another team and I'm guessing we will see why this new kicker was not on another team. I hope I'm wrong about the new kicker but if he was any good he would have been on a team.[/quote]

He was with a team, the Las Vegas UFL team. The reason that he is free is that their schedule ended early.

As a rookie he made it to the last cut with the Ravens and then signed with the UFL. He has not just been sitting around doing nothing because no one wanted him.

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Gano nearly won the kicking competition vs. Hauchka or whatever his name was in Baltimore.

They probably regret the choice they made, like us. :D

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Ganther looks good, could be a real gem.

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[quote=firstdown;637109]There was a reason Mason was not with another team and I'm guessing we will see why this new kicker was not on another team. I hope I'm wrong about the new kicker but if he was any good he would have been on a team.[/quote]

I don't think this is the best way to judge a player. There's a reason why teams didn't want to pick Tom Brady the year he got drafted late by the Patriots, because ALL of the teams misjudged him. The Patriots misjudged him too when they perceived him to be a late round draft talent.

The NFL personnel evaluators misjudge players all the time.

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If Ganther plays more at RB, Cartwright can be used to return kicks. That would be a plus...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;637159]If Ganther plays more at RB, Cartwright can be used to return kicks. That would be a plus...[/quote]

I don't know I thought Thomas was just fine as a kick returner.

I hope Gano sticks around, maybe if Shanahan is hired they'll re-sign Anthony Alridge yet again and then hopefully we'll draft a running back in the 3rd (I know we need to trade for that) or 4th round...could someone like Jahvid Best or Jonathan Dwyer slip there and be our lead back of the future?

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[quote=SmootSmack;637168][B]I don't know I thought Thomas was just fine as a kick returner.[/B]
I hope Gano sticks around, maybe if Shanahan is hired [B]they'll re-sign Anthony Alridge yet again [/B]and then hopefully we'll draft a running back in the 3rd (I know we need to trade for that) or 4th round...could someone like Jahvid Best or Jonathan Dwyer slip there and be our lead back of the future?[/quote]

definitly stick with dt let's see what he has back there.

did we resign him today i saw somthing in another post but didn't find anything anywehre else

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[quote=SmootSmack;637168]I don't know I thought Thomas was just fine as a kick returner.

I hope Gano sticks around, maybe if Shanahan is hired they'll re-sign Anthony Alridge yet again and then hopefully we'll draft a running back in the 3rd (I know we need to trade for that) or 4th round...could someone like [B]Jahvid Best or Jonathan Dwyer[/B] slip there and be our lead back of the future?[/quote]

I thought Best was pretty much regarded as 1st or 2nd round material. Dwyer I don't know how high he's projected but I could easily see him in those rounds if he doesn't have a great 40 at the combine. HE's a big guy & makes some big plays but not sure if he's got the speed to get drafted that high.

A rb that might be great value is Blount from Oregon. He was projected as a 2nd round pick before he punched that B. State dude & got suspended. If he falls to the 4th he'd be great value. He's built like Dwyer but seems to have greater burst.

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[quote=mlmdub130;637184]definitly stick with dt let's see what he has back there.

did we resign him today i saw somthing in another post but didn't find anything anywehre else[/quote]

You know after I wrote my post I saw that yes we did sign him to the practice squad

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[quote=SmootSmack;637186]You know after I wrote my post I saw that yes we did sign him to the practice squad[/quote]

i'm not familiar with any other teams ps and before this year didn't even know that much about ours, but we have to be close to a record number of guys on and off a roster this year

and i'm glad to see aldridge back. he is the kinda of back i want to see us use more often a quick speedy change the pace kind of guy, i hope he sticks around

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[quote=firstdown;637109]There was a reason Mason was not with another team and I'm guessing we will see why this new kicker was not on another team. I hope I'm wrong about the new kicker [B]but if he was any good he would have been on a team[/B].[/quote]

Kickers seem to have a much less linear path to success (no pun intended) than most positions outside of qb. Some seem to struggle & then find their groove, only to lose it again. Seems like its the position w/the highest turnover in the nfl. ONly a handful of teams have kept kickers long term in the salary cap era.

Remember that Norvell cut David Akers, who then went on to Philly & has had quite a career since.

With Gano, I hope he's at that point that he starts to find his groove. He's got a 3 year deal w/1 guaranteed so he'll have his chances this year & next.

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[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/12/09/redskins-promote-ganther-to-starter.html"][B]http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/12/09/redskins-promote-ganther-to-starter.html[/B][/URL]

It's official. Even though we caught word a few days ago.

RI: Ganther the new starting RB-Rock whines again
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/zorn-elaborates-on-rb-rotation.html]Redskins Insider - Zorn elaborates on RB rotation[/url]

I really want to like Rock, I do, but I don't get where he gets this impression that he's Jim Brown in waiting but he just hadn't gotten the chance.

[quote=Rock Cartrwright]
"It's kind of hard for a RB to get in a rhythm when you have five carries in the first half, then you don't carry the ball again until the second half," Cartwright said. "It's hard to produce that way. Going in the game [and] telling the back you're gonna take two series and this guy's gonna take two series, it's hard to get hot. You're doing RB by committee, you got to go off a feel, who's playing better. When you give somebody five carries in the first half, they don't play again until the second half, of course you can't expect somebody to go out and be fresh right then.

"It doesn't matter who it is. I think you have to give a RB the opportunity to get a rhythm. You can't go into the game saying, we're gonna give you two series, we're gonna give this guy two series, we're gonna give this guy two series. [B][I]When you're doing RB by committee, you can ask any RB in the league, if you go in the game and you get five carries and not get another carry until the second half - what do they expect? I think I might've had five carries for 20-some-odd yards in the first series and then I don't carry the ball again until the second half? I mean, that's crazy.[/I][/B]" [/quote]

2 points. First point-Why does he act like he's the best RB to never get a chance? He had opportunities and didn't capitalize on them. Deal with it, know your role and limitations and excel within them. Second point-If this was Portis or another highly paid player saying this fans would be ALL over him. Why does Rock get a pass?

Anyways, I hope Ganther does well and provides a solid presence in the running game..

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everyone in the NFL has an ego...they have to. And he is exactly right. You cant go into a game with a set plan of personnel and plays because it never happens the way you want it to. You have to play it by ear. That means that if anyone on your team is hot, keep them in there even if your play sheet says not to.

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I thought I heard that Rock told Zorn and Danny Smith that if he's not starting he would rather just play special teams.

Anyway, Rock fails to realize that the Redskins took advantage of Campbell's hot hand and the weaknesses in the Saints secondary. Meanwhile Rock had three carries for like 1 yard in the first half if I remember right. Ganther had two for 10 yards.

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[quote=Paintrain;637399]



2 points. First point-Why does he act like he's the best RB to never get a chance? [B] He had opportunities and didn't capitalize on them[/B]. Deal with it, know your role and limitations and excel within them. Second point-If this was Portis or another highly paid player saying this fans would be ALL over him. Why does Rock get a pass?

Anyways, I hope Ganther does well and provides a solid presence in the running game..[/quote]

i would say he did in dallas, and isn't there already a rock\ganther thread

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Correction, he did have one carry that went about 15 yards. So it wasn't 1 yard. Either way, I understand his frustration but it's pretty clear that Ganther is more explosive

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[quote=mlmdub130;637404]i would say he did in dallas, and isn't there already a rock\ganther thread[/quote]

There is I'm going to merge that one into this one since this one has more recent info

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Rock has always been a solid player in relief, and a great teams guy.
He has been years with the team and had............MANY coaching eyes observing him. You would think if he some as yet undiscovered and miraculous talent, it would have been noticed.
Close your mouth and do your job. Be happy you have the coolest job on the planet?

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My problem with Thomas as the kick returner is that too often he gets stopped at or inside the 20. That is a killer; most of the time he is returning a kick because the other team scored; the offense needs field position.

Cartwright may not be a blazer, but in the last 5 years that he has been returning kicks, I don't think he's been stopped inside the 20 more than once or twice...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;637456]My problem with Thomas as the kick returner is that too often he gets stopped at or inside the 20. That is a killer; most of the time he is returning a kick because the other team scored; the offense needs field position.

Cartwright may not be a blazer, but in the last 5 years that he has been returning kicks, I don't think he's been stopped inside the 20 more than once or twice...[/quote]

while thats true why not see what he has the last few weeks, we really have nothing to lose, and while rock always gets it past the 20 he rarely gets it past the 35