Desean Jackson
 

Height is not everything.
DeSean Jackson caught six passes for 178 yards, including a 60-yard TD in the third quarter. He also returned a punt 72 yards for a score in the second quarter.
Jackson, who finished with 261 all-purpose yards, now has [B]eight TDs of 50 yards or more this season, tying an all time NFL record[/B] shared by only Elroy Hirsch and Devin Hester. This is a pretty rare record being tied. With three games left he has a good chance to break the record.
For a guy that was too short for the redskins to draft, he has turned out pretty good...for a short guy.

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Desean is a playmaking monster and I'd love to have him on our team. However, I understand why we went with Thomas, Kelly and Davis. We had very small wideouts and needed a reliable, big target for Campbell.

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He also had some character issues that scared some teams off.

Look, he's a great player no doubt, but it's looking more and more like Thomas, Davis, and Kelly are going to be key players for us in the future. I'm really done with crying over who we didn't take. There are plenty of other teams who now in hindsight wish they would have taken Jackson.

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Along as he can avoid injury, he is going to be very good for a very long time, top 3 offensive threat on the field right now. I saw last week people protecting Vinny picks saying he does a decent job...in the last 10 years we have had less draft picks than everybody else cause we give them away and we constantly b*tch this year about Carlos and Laron two first rounders by Vinny, and we dont draft any O lineman and that is our biggest issue area on the team the last 3 years...I just dont get it...People say you draft the best player availible...they dont say draft the tallest player availible...for a team that desperately needed a WR and also a playmaker in general, this was another fail by Vinny. I think DT can be good, but not the big play guy Desean already is

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Yea, lot's of teams passed on Jackson. His punt return for a TD last night was amazing though. Unbelievable.

I'm liking Davis and Thomas/Kelly.

Who was the last player the Skins have drafted that was an explosive/highlight reel player? I can't remember....Cooley's great, but not necessarily explosive. Gary Clark played in the Canadian league first right? Damn...still thinking.

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we have a player like that in moss. he just has to take that roll

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[quote=redsk1;639490]Yea, lot's of teams passed on Jackson. His punt return for a TD last night was amazing though. Unbelievable.

I'm liking Davis and Thomas/Kelly.

Who was the last player the Skins have drafted that was an explosive/highlight reel player? I can't remember....Cooley's great, but not necessarily explosive. Gary Clark played in the Canadian league first right? Damn...still thinking.[/quote]

Clark came over from the USFL along with Ricky Sanders.

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Where are the threads about some of the other WRs a bunch of us were clamoring for back in 2008-James Hardy, Limas Sweed, Dexter Jackson-just to name a few?

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This guy is soo small. He is listed at 5 10, 175. He is gonna get seriously injured if he doesnt beef up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639513]Where are the threads about some of the other WRs a bunch of us were clamoring for back in 2008-James Hardy, Limas Sweed, Dexter Jackson-just to name a few?[/quote]Jordy Nelson...

It appears to not have been a sound strategy to grab multiple receivers high in that draft, but it looks like we at least pulled the status quo if you were grabbing them out of the hat. That's an improvement.

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Yeah, he's a monster, no doubt, but we needed the WRs.

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Jackson gets so wide open, it looks like his small size makes him almost invisible to D-backs. It's like they forget that he's there.

Yeah, height with wideouts isn't everything. The Rams' 'Greatest Show on Turf' didn't have any wideouts over 6'0" tall.

All depends on what you're trying to do. There have been tall receivers who weren't known for great speed that have thrived, there have been short guys that have done well throughout the league's history. While our offense is still a work in progress, I can't say that we've seen much of an advantage with our taller wideouts as of yet. In fact, the jump balls in the endzone haven't been a facet of our scheme either.

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[quote=hooskins;639533]This guy is soo small. He is listed at 5 10, 175. He is gonna get seriously injured if he doesnt beef up.[/quote]

Already got a concussion from the Fletcher hit, which by the way was awesome!! Can't stand Jackson, he's a punk!!

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I know he brought me back from the dead in a fantasy league last night.

That punt return was absolutely disgusting. To see guys like that returning punts and then have to watch Randall Fail back there really ticks me off.

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That punt return was unreal. He is way too fast.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;639429]Desean is a playmaking monster and I'd love to have him on our team. However, I understand why we went with Thomas, Kelly and Davis. We had very small wideouts and needed a reliable, big target for Campbell.[/quote]

Thank you. Hopefully this won't turn into another thread where some simpleton starts calling for someone's head because we didn't draft Jackson.

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Also who is to say he would have been as effective here in DC? Or maybe Kelly would have been a beast in Philly.

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There's also no guarantee he would have put up numbers like this as a Redskin. Jason Campbell has missed Moss deep about a million times this year, why would it be any different with Jackson?

Keep in mind, Jackson has McNabb throwing to him.

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Right now on ESPN980, Kevin Sheehan is going over all the teams that needed WRs that passed on Desean Jackson (some of whom drafted other WRs who havent done anything). Very interesting.

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[quote=Schneed10;639671]There's also no guarantee he would have put up numbers like this as a Redskin. [B]Jason Campbell has missed Moss deep about a million times this year,[/B] why would it be any different with Jackson?

Keep in mind, Jackson has McNabb throwing to him.[/quote]And I would argue that's not all Jason's fault...

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As much as I tout Campbell, his deep ball is really inconsistent. I would actually put a lot of blame on him for that one. He has a great arm, but sometimes the control isn't there.

He has improved a bit the last couple games. That throw to Moss was pretty good. He underthrew it so Moss could make a play. Not sure if it was intentional, but worked well nonetheless.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;639643]Thank you. Hopefully this won't turn into another thread where some simpleton starts calling for someone's head because we didn't draft Jackson.[/quote]

I wouldnt call for Vinny head just for that but for a gross mismangement of the draft in his tenure. Like I stated above. I just like to see a culture change of team building through the draft, not giving away picks, and yes more effective player picks (Jackson here). Carlos and Laron top ten pick? JC a first round pick...Ramsey a pick at all? Just instead of trying to build team through over paying free agents...try to build a team from the ground up, probably more cost effective, a stronger sense of team with guys coming in together, and greater depth at positions. One guy for sure who was a great pick, Orakpo, ole pat on the back Vinny for that one.

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I just want to know what our scouting department does not do that other scouting departments are doing? Not that I don't like Thomas and kelly, I do, but they were listed as being the top two WR's of the batch, not one WR had been picked, we come along and pick the only two WR's that need a lot of work? Jackson comes into the league and lights it up. This year the Giants picked two WR's and they are lighting it up somewhat.

Kelly sees one ball a game. Thomas was close to that but recently has been doing better. Why do these things always happen to us? We finally pick up a good pick in Orakpo and Jarmin. It just seems our talent scouts are not nearly as good as other teams.

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[quote=SBXVII;639691]I just want to know what our scouting department does not do that other scouting departments are doing? Not that I don't like Thomas and kelly, I do, but they were listed as being the top two WR's of the batch, not one WR had been picked, we come along and pick the only two WR's that need a lot of work? Jackson comes into the league and lights it up. T[B]his year the Giants picked two WR's and they are lighting it up somewhat. [/B]

Kelly sees one ball a game. Thomas was close to that but recently has been doing better. Why do these things always happen to us? We finally pick up a good pick in Orakpo and Jarmin. It just seems our talent scouts are not nearly as good as other teams.[/quote]

I guess you mean Hakeem Nicks? But they also have a lot of guys who have taken a few years to do anything at WR. And some (Santana's little bro) that still have done nothing. It happens all around the league. As hard as it is for many to believe, we are not the only front office to make poor decisions and we happen to make some good decisions as well

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[quote=SBXVII;639691]I just want to know what our scouting department does not do that other scouting departments are doing? Not that I don't like Thomas and kelly, I do, but they were listed as being the top two WR's of the batch, not one WR had been picked, we come along and pick the only two WR's that need a lot of work? Jackson comes into the league and lights it up. This year the Giants picked two WR's and they are lighting it up somewhat.

Kelly sees one ball a game. Thomas was close to that but recently has been doing better. Why do these things always happen to us? We finally pick up a good pick in Orakpo and Jarmin. It just seems our talent scouts are not nearly as good as other teams.[/quote]

Some random answers:
Lack of picks/general misuse of the draft
less picks= % you'll land a "Jackson"
lack of a upper tier QB
no focus on building a solid offensive line thru the draft
Lack of front office plan-coaching staff and FO not on the same page

The best WR in the world couldn't produce in our 1st half 2009 offense. What would Thomas do in NY? Phili? Dallas? Pretty well imo.

Our offense is coming around and he's putting up some decent #'s.

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i laugh every time i hear people bring up wide receivers size. the steelers won with Ward, Randle- El, and now with Holmes. all are 6 footers. if you can play, you can play. screw the 6'5" mix, and Mitchell. they couldn't even get on the field with the skins

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[quote=Chico23231;639682]I wouldnt call for Vinny head just for that but for a gross mismangement of the draft in his tenure. Like I stated above. I just like to see a culture change of team building through the draft, not giving away picks, and yes more effective player picks (Jackson here). Carlos and Laron top ten pick? JC a first round pick...Ramsey a pick at all? Just instead of trying to build team through over paying free agents...try to build a team from the ground up, probably more cost effective, a stronger sense of team with guys coming in together, and greater depth at positions. [B]One guy for sure who was a great pick, Orakpo, ole pat on the back Vinny for that one.[/B][/quote]

Orakpo was a good pick, but it wasn't necessarily a brilliant move that nobody saw coming. Chris Horton might have been one of those very rare, brilliant moves by Vinny.

1st round picks are a funny thing -- if they turn out to be great, you say, well of course, they were taken in the first round, they're supposed to be great. So in that sense, the general manager can't really take much credit for it. But if you miss on a 1st rounder, the general manager gets the blame for selecting a first round bust.

Ask Charley Casserly about 1st round busts -- he took six in a row from 1991-1996.

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[quote=Beemnseven;639786]Orakpo was a good pick, but it wasn't necessarily a brilliant move that nobody saw coming. Chris Horton might have been one of those very rare, brilliant moves by Vinny.

1st round picks are a funny thing -- if they turn out to be great, you say, well of course, they were taken in the first round, they're supposed to be great. So in that sense, the general manager can't really take much credit for it. But if you miss on a 1st rounder, the general manager gets the blame for selecting a first round bust.

[B]Ask Charley Casserly about 1st round busts[/B] -- he took six in a row from 1991-1996.[/quote]

I remember Casserly saying that if you asked any GM at the time what they thought of Desmond Howard in 1992 they would've all taken him in the top 10.

Good point about 1st round picks. GMs have to get credit for not only selecting a good player but also a good fit for their team.

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I like Desean a lot. I don't understand why Moss doesn't get open the way Desean does.

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[quote=Chico23231;639682]I wouldnt call for Vinny head just for that but for a gross mismangement of the draft in his tenure. Like I stated above. I just like to see a culture change of team building through the draft, not giving away picks, and yes more effective player picks (Jackson here). Carlos and Laron top ten pick? JC a first round pick...Ramsey a pick at all? Just instead of trying to build team through over paying free agents...try to build a team from the ground up, probably more cost effective, a stronger sense of team with guys coming in together, and greater depth at positions. One guy for sure who was a great pick, Orakpo, ole pat on the back Vinny for that one.[/quote]


The draft by nature is hit or miss. That's why we should be careful wanting to trade warriors for question marks. Nothing is guaranteed in the draft. Look at the Giants, their GM did not address linebacker. He picked another wide recieiver Hakeem Nicks in the 1st round when he already had good young WRs. Manningham, Smith, Hixon, etc. If that was Vinny we would be up in arms. It's like an album, you don't look at one track, you look at the body of work. Im giving Vinny a little credit, he has been making mostly consensus picks. Landry and Rogers those are not maverick picks. So-called conventional wisdom

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[quote=dmek25;639762]i laugh every time i hear people bring up wide receivers size. the steelers won with Ward, Randle- El, and now with Holmes. all are 6 footers. if you can play, you can play. [B]screw the 6'5" mix, and Mitchell.[/B] they couldn't even get on the field with the skins[/quote]

u don't hink marko could be a great player in waiting the likes of fred davis?

and you can't say screw em, cause if you can play you can play but at the same time if you can play and you are 6'4''+ it's a nice thing to have take a look at plax and moss