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Shanahan in talks with the Redskins

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4753860]Report: Mike Shanahan, Washington Redskins talking coach job` - ESPN[/url]
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This is great news...i love the way they are taking charge now and starting to plan for 2010....

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I smell a Rooney Rule infraction.

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Guys the Rooney Rule is a joke....they are going to interview minority candidates and then offer Shanahan the job....there is no rule that says Shanahan can't be interviewed 1st...

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I'm in between on the rule. I believe that minorities definetely should be interviewed and coach in this league however if the top canidate is white and that is the guy you want why waste the time of the minority being interviewed and the time of the top canidate?

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seems kind of unfair to coach zorn to me. they told him straight up they dont have an opening at head coach, and now they are in talks with shanahan?

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IMO...Zorn became a lame duck coach when the play calling was stripped away from him....and then the offense under a new play caller suddenly opened up....

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Personally, I think the story is misleading. The Redskins and Shanahan have been talking for a while. It didn't just start yesterday

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who cares what it is to zorn. It's time for change

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I don't want Shanahan!!!!!! He will last 2 years that's it.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;641756]Guys the Rooney Rule is a joke....they are going to interview minority candidates and then offer Shanahan the job....there is no rule that says Shanahan can't be interviewed 1st...[/quote]

The team was very careful to adhere to the Rooney Rule in the hiring of Bruce Allen, therefore I see no reason why the same safeguards will not be in place where Shanahan is concerned.

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Ill take Shanahan over Gruden all day. And Zorn? F him.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;641767]I don't want Shanahan!!!!!! He will last 2 years that's it.[/quote]

Yea right, at about 8 million a year for 5 years, there is, and Dan is going to be hands off, I say Shanahan, get's us to the next level, I am predicting Plaoff's next year, and maybe a division title..............

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[quote=SolidSnake84;641756]Guys the Rooney Rule is a joke....they are going to interview minority candidates and then offer Shanahan the job....there is no rule that says Shanahan can't be interviewed 1st...[/quote]

Jerry Gray? I would guess that they'd interview him after the season. I doubt he would be seriously considered but I would love to see him get a chance here as HC if Zorn is gone.

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[quote=Longtimefan;641768]The team was very careful to adhere to the Rooney Rule in the hiring of Bruce Allen, therefore I see no reason why the same safeguards will not be in place where Shanahan is concerned.[/quote]

Agreed. Now can people drop this f'ing subject?

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I believe in the Rooney Rule and I am glad it extends to GM as well. Question: if we were ALREADY in negotiations with Shannahan..doesn't that mean Dan was doing this BEFORE bruce showed up???? This means he is STILL calling the shots instead of the GM...hmmmmmm

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[quote=Ruhskins;641780]Agreed. Now can people drop this f'ing subject?[/quote]

No. You know what the F'ing issue is now? I keep hearing that the media have contacted the NFL and have been advised that the Redskins did satisfy the Rooney Rule several times over. The media has asked for the names of who was contacted and they were told they don't give out the names of contacted personel due to privacy issues.

Now the media is playing it that as the Skins did not make it known the job was available so they could interview whoever they wanted instead of interviewing well over qualified candidates. In other words some candidates who might have been better qualified did not get interviewed because they did not know the job was available to apply for.

Who the hell cares? The rule is in place saying they have to interview someone. It doesn't say they have to hire the best candidate. Last I knew the owners owned their teams and could interview whoever they wanted and hire whoever they wanted. Are we now going to put stipulations on owners as to who they can talk to and who they can hire? Who cares if there were more qualified candidates out there....perhaps Snyder didn't feel he could get along with them so he didn't interview them.

I think we all know what happened, but I think it's idiotic for the media to start complaining even after they have been told the team met the rule.

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how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought

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[quote=Texanskin;641783]I believe in the Rooney Rule and I am glad it extends to GM as well. Question: if we were ALREADY in negotiations with Shannahan..doesn't that mean Dan was doing this BEFORE bruce showed up???? This means he is STILL calling the shots instead of the GM...hmmmmmm[/quote]

I thought I read somewhere that it was Shanahan who told Snyder (per rumors) that Allen would be a good fit. Plus it all sounds like Allen will for the most part be dealing with contractual stuff vs. player aquasition.

Shanahan was contacted back in Oct. I don't doubt that a deal was arranged in regards to him coming in at the end of the season. Plus the reports are Shanahan is trying to assemble a team of coach's or has been calling around. You don't hear that about Gruden.

Lastly I don't think the Rooney Rule states when a HC is fired that's when the interview process starts and a minority has to be interviewed. It has been reported that Dungy was contacted and he turned down the job. Rooney Rule taken care of.

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Its very easy to say the Rooney rule is wrong, without properly understanding why it is in place. Its not like the general job market, which is much more porous and open. The coaching and involvement with the NFL was very much a "Country-Club" only deal. There have to be rules to prevent that kinda of self-sustaining discrimination.

There never would be a qualified minority candidate if they dont get a chance.

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[quote=47FAN;641785]how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought[/quote]
I predicted he'd take a demotion We don't know I mean why wouldn't he be the QB coach?

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[quote=47FAN;641785]how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought[/quote]

You know I thought the same thing. If Zorn has realized his abilities and perhaps knows he an awsome QB coach but most likely not wanting a HCing gig again, I wonder if he would be retained as QB coach. I imagine it would be a humbling experience to step down but if he played his cards right he would still have a job and more then likely get more respect then he's getting now.

I guess it all depends on if he could humble himself to step down and admit he's a better QB coach. My gut say no and he is gone.

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[quote=47FAN;641785]how do we know zorn hasnt agreed to take lesser roll there for it opens the headcoaching job up. just a thought[/quote]

I can't ever recall when a head coach has stayed with a team the next year after losing his head coaching role....does anyone know if thats ever happened?

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[quote=pg86;641804]I predicted he'd take a demotion We don't know I mean why wouldn't he be the QB coach?[/quote]

i have thought the same thing for a couple of weeks now.

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Do you guys think Zorn will actually take a demotion? Again? That is harsh, we already gutted him once. I dont know if I could stomach that again, if I was in his position.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;641807]I can't ever recall when a head coach has stayed with a team the next year after losing his head coaching role....does anyone know if thats ever happened?[/quote]

Didn't one of Dallas's coaches do that? He may have been an interim coach though. Never mind. Dave Campo was HC for the Cowgirls, was let go, went to another team then rejoined the Cowgirls as secondary coach. Don 't know if a HC was let go and stayed with the same team before but I have a feeling whoever becomes our coach will bring in their own people.

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until a zorn is fired and a new coach is named all of this is just speculation and rumors.

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[quote=hooskins;641810]Do you guys think Zorn will actually take a demotion? Again? That is harsh, we already gutted him once. I dont know if I could stomach that again, if I was in his position.[/quote]
I get the feeling Jim knows where he's needed and its not the HC position plus dans got the money to retain him at a lower position lets be honest. Not just that can Jason take another system change hell does he even stay???

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[quote=hooskins;641802]Its very easy to say the Rooney rule is wrong, without properly understanding why it is in place. Its not like the general job market, which is much more porous and open. The coaching and involvement with the NFL was very much a "Country-Club" only deal. There have to be rules to prevent that kinda of self-sustaining discrimination.

There never would be a qualified minority candidate if they dont get a chance.[/quote]

Apprehension has always been associated with the Rooney Rule by many people because of the limitations it faces in effecting it's intended purpose. Owners are going to hire who they want to hire to run or coach their respective programs. The rule is to give the impression that fairness is being implemented in the process.

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The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.

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[quote=skinsfan69;641813]until a zorn is fired and a new coach is named all of this is just speculation and rumors.[/quote]

Speculation is rampant right now as would be expected. If a plan is already in place I don't know if these next 3 games matter. I would like to see Zorn returning given real consideration myself.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;641816]The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.[/quote]

How old are you?
The reason I ask is some of the owners are much older than you and I.
They are from an era where discriminating because of race or religion was discreetly being done and behind closed doors was acceptable. The attitude was not necessarily I hate minorities, it was more an attitude of 'I will never have a black GM or coach or QB.' There are certain high visibility/profile positions that were not acceptable to have a minority.

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[quote=skinsfan69;641813]until a zorn is fired and a new coach is named all of this is just speculation and rumors.[/quote]

I've said it over and over, but the speculation will continue until there's a resolution. We now live in a time where people just love to speculate on just about everything............I've gotten used to it.

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Jim Zorn is probably the only person who thinks he has a chance to return in any capacity. The notion that he would remain in a reduced role is absurd. Even if Zorn were open to the idea, there's no way ANY new HC would retain his predecessor on the staff. It would simply create too many awkward situations. The only part about this story that bothers me does deal with the rooney rule. I'm sure the skins will be in compliance with the letter of the rule, but they certainly arent in its spirit. It also bothers me that a minority coach would willingly allow himself to be manipulated by "interviewing" for a position they knew full well they had no chance of getting.

If I were a minority coach in the NFL, i would rather not have a rooney rule at all than one that allowed me to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its cheap and degrading in my opinion. If the Skins or any team wants to hire a Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, etc... then that's their right. but the reality is they're not going to give anyone else - regardless of race - serious consideration. the rooney rule turns decent men into pawns. its a complete sham and needs to be revised or done away with entirely.

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You know I been thinking yes he's a lame duck coach with no playcalling duties but seriously who's to blame for their performance as of late?!?!? I would fire him as the head coach and offer him a lower position (QB coach) if he didn't accept it its on him!

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[quote=Longtimefan;641822]I've said it over and over, but the speculation will continue until there's a resolution. We now live in a time where people just love to speculate on just about everything............I've gotten used to it.[/quote]

Yep. Right now we should have Brady Quinn, Sanchez and Cutler alternating series to throw TDs to Chad Ochocinco and Kellen Winslow.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;641757]I'm in between on the rule. I believe that minorities definetely should be interviewed and coach in this league however if the top canidate is white and that is the guy you want why waste the time of the minority being interviewed and the time of the top canidate?[/quote]
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[quote=tdSKINS1;641757]I'm in between on the rule. I believe that minorities definetely should be interviewed and coach in this league however if the top canidate is white and that is the guy you want why waste the time of the minority being interviewed and the time of the top canidate?[/quote]
I know it sounds like a joke, but apparently there have been a couple black coaches hired just because of the Rooney rule(Meaning they impressed in the interview) that they might not have looked at. [B]And how did this thread, become the Rooney rule thread.[/B]