Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

Simple yes or no.

No caveats. No "only as a backup" No "only get rid of him if we can get at least a 2nd rounder back" No "what are the cap implications"

None of that. Do you want Jason Campbell on the Redskins in 2010.

Yes or no?

I've come to the conclusion that my answer is no. I like Campbell and think he can be very good one day. But I want great, and I'm no longer convinced he can be.

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And of course I mean the 2010 season...before any of you respond with "I want him back for Jan. 3, 2010 and then not anymore"

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I voted yes. I'll take good over "maybe great but probably not much better than JC". I just don't think there are a whole slew of better QBs in the league right now anyways. I don't see what the point of picking a guy like Clausen or Bradford is when history shows at least one of them won't be as good and the other may only be somewhat better. It isn't terribly likely that either is great.. Great QBs like Manning/Brady/Brees/Rivers come every few years out of what like 12-13 QBS taken in the first round? Not good odds. I just don't like the risk/time requirement needed isn't worth it when we have a guy that can be a winner. And I don't like that we can't really tell how good he is since he is constantly getting pounded.

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Yes.

I think he's a guy you can win games with given good protection and a running game.

That said, whatever the decision is from the new regime, I'll live with it.

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no .....

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After the first half of the year I was no. But seeing what free agents and possible QB vets play this year, its really no question JC is the best availible option next year. Draft a young guy and get rid of Collins and let him develop behind JC. Build the Oline before putting a rookie back there to get killed.

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No only because Jason has had multiple chances to prove himself and has never done it. He's an avg qb and this team is rebuilding anyway. Plus he won't fit in shanahans offense, you need a quick release and quick feet he has neither

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No. I think its time to move on and start from scratch. Plus, who knows if Campbell can be any better than he already is. I think he may have already hit his ceiling as a player and thats basically a middle of the pack QB. I think we can find that either thru the draft or free agency or trade.

I do respect Campbell alot and I hope he can succeed in this league. I just don't think it will happen here.

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No. I dont think the Skins should saddle themselves with more years of JC simply out of fear that who they draft wont be great. The potential reward with a new QB far outweighs sticking with an inadequate JC.

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Ditto to Matty and FRPLG.

He is a proven commodity that can win games if he has blocking and a running game. He is not the truth but he is no Joey Harrington either.

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I'd just love to give him one season with decent pass protection and an adequate running game. At least we could know whether he can be a championship QB. I certainly have doubts but I have more confidence that he can be a winner than not.

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Yes I want to see him compete with a solid O-line. He deserves a chance in a stable system. He has been sacked what 42 times this season?? And yes some of those sacks are his fault but most are not. No one can tell me that Jimmy Clausen or Bradford or any young QB is going to come in with this O-line and be successful I don't believe it. I do not think JC is great but I think he can win ball games if given time. He is also tough as nails, I don't see a lot of QB's around the leauge taking the hurting that other teams are putting on him.

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He can only win games win the players around him are playing 100% lights out. We need somebody who can be the winning factor when everything else isn't going so great, and that's not Jason.

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Yes. Even if we draft another QB for the future, we still need someone like Campbell who can make plays for us. Like I said earlier in the season, behind a solid offensive line, Jason Campbell can be a great QB.

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I voted No and its because I don't think he can read the D and has trouble finding the open man and that even when he has time. He never hits a WR comeing out of their break but waits to see if they can get wide open and never hits that window. I cannot remember the last time he threw a ball up so only our guy could make the play instead it sails over everyones head or bounces of the ground. He is tough and has heart but that does not always make a good/great NFL QB.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;647337]He can only win games win the players around him are playing 100% lights out. We need somebody who can be the winning factor when everything else isn't going so great, and that's not Jason.[/quote]


people really believe that a rookie QB can play better than JC????? Sorry...this is a wild assumption. What young QB has played well with a SORRY line??? none. So when Bradford sucks...everyone will say...he needs better protection on top of the fact "he is a rookie". well...how about "skipping" the rookie excuse...and stick with the "better protection" is all we need for our team. A young QB would take 3 or 4 years to develop and JC is ready now "with better protection"

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Short Answer is no. Long answer is, while the potential is there, I don't want Campbell back in 2010. Not to say I'm going to hem and haw if he is, but he's proven to be nothing more than average. The Skins do not have time to find out if he'll ever fully live up to his potential. There are simply too many holes on the O-Line to turn it around in 1 year, much less 2 or 3. And while the Skins need a stopgap between Campbell and the next big thing, and he's adequate, I'd rather see Shanny start anew.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;647351]Short Answer is no. Long answer is, while the potential is there, I don't want Campbell back in 2010. Not to say I'm going to hem and haw if he is, but he's proven to be nothing more than average. The Skins do not have time to find out if he'll ever fully live up to his potential. There are simply too many holes on the O-Line to turn it around in 1 year, much less 2 or 3. And while the Skins need a stopgap between Campbell and the next big thing, and he's adequate, I'd rather see Shanny start anew.[/quote]

Well said BD

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[quote=FRPLG;647335]I'd just love to give him one season with decent pass protection and an adequate running game. At least we could know whether he can be a championship QB. I certainly have doubts but I have more confidence that he can be a winner than not.[/quote]

This.

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[quote=skinsguy;647343]Yes. Even if we draft another QB for the future, we still need someone like Campbell who can make plays for us. Like I said earlier in the season, behind a solid offensive line, Jason Campbell can be a great QB.[/quote]

The problem with your statement is that JC isnt a playmaker.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;647351]Short Answer is no. Long answer is, while the potential is there, I don't want Campbell back in 2010. Not to say I'm going to hem and haw if he is, but he's proven to be nothing more than average. The Skins do not have time to find out if he'll ever fully live up to his potential. There are simply too many holes on the O-Line to turn it around in 1 year, much less 2 or 3. And while the Skins need a stopgap between Campbell and the next big thing, and he's adequate, I'd rather see Shanny start anew.[/quote]

The best post we'll see in this thread.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;647328]No only because Jason has had multiple chances to prove himself and has never done it. He's an avg qb and this team is rebuilding anyway. [B]Plus he won't fit in shanahans offense[/B] , you need a quick release and quick feet he has neither[/quote]

He & Cutler are the same build mobile, big arm if Jay can I have confidence JC can too. To answer the question YES!!!

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[quote=SolidSnake84;647337]He can only win games win the players around him are playing 100% lights out. We need somebody who can be the winning factor when everything else isn't going so great, and that's not Jason.[/quote]
good post. and i voted no. he has more then enough time to prove what he is. an average NFL quarterback, at best

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[quote=SmootSmack;647315]Simple yes or no.

No caveats. No "only as a backup" No "only get rid of him if we can get at least a 2nd rounder back" No "what are the cap implications"

None of that. Do you want Jason Campbell on the Redskins in 2010.

Yes or no?

[B]I've come to the conclusion that my answer is no. I like Campbell and think he can be very good one day. But I want great, and I'm no longer convinced he can be.[/quote][/B]

[B]I wanted him back up until this weekend when I saw McNabb against Denver. When the game was on the line Mcnabb basically took over. He ran for 25 yards on a 3-20 and threw a laser to Macklin to get them into fg position.....game, set match. This is what great players do. When things are down you need your QB to take over and as much as we all like JC, he could never do what McNabb did last Sunday. It's time to move on. [/B]

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Yes because I believe in 3 years with the same exact circumstances he will be a better QB than anyone on the FA market and any college QB. In evaluating the answer, I looked at it as if we upgrade the OL, upgrade our RB and Thomas/Kelly/Mitchell continue to develop then would Campbell be better than Kellen Clemens, Kyle Orton (best FA available) or Sam Bradford, Jimmy Clausen. To me the answer is clearly yes.

As BAD as things have been this year, we cannot ignore 64% completions, nearly 3,500 yards, nearly 20 TD and an 85+ QB rating. If he can put up those numbers with 11 different starting OL, a 4th string RB who wasn't on a roster at the beginning of the season, our 2nd string TE and the play calling follies we've witnessed, I don't see how we can be any worse with those spots upgraded and him returning under a borderline Hall of Fame coach.

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I voted yes, but don't sign him to a big/long term contract. Give him 2-3 more years.

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[quote=irish;647355]The problem with your statement is that JC isnt a playmaker.[/quote]
Yes he is didn't you see the other night Dallas moved up a man showing blitz and JC just ignores it making that play work for Dallas.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;647351]Short Answer is no. Long answer is, while the potential is there, I don't want Campbell back in 2010. Not to say I'm going to hem and haw if he is, but he's proven to be nothing more than average. [B] The Skins do not have time to find out if he'll ever fully live up to his potential.[/B] There are simply too many holes on the O-Line to turn it around in 1 year, much less 2 or 3. And while the Skins need a stopgap between Campbell and the next big thing, and he's adequate, I'd rather see Shanny start anew.[/quote]

Truth is the skins are nowhere near superbowl contention moreless NFC East Champs next couple of years. Is time really a factor it's obvious he doesn't have protect now why place a high dollar investment in danger. When you have a guy that is first round draft that has shown his talent doesn't have a 30+ million dollar contract hasn't had the proper tools around him from day one. The WR corp sucked when he took over the team for Brunell, the line has been injured & subpar every year since he has taken over.

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[quote=skinsfan69;647365][/B]

[B]I wanted him back up until this weekend when I saw McNabb against Denver. When the game was on the line Mcnabb basically took over. He ran for 25 yards on a 3-20 and threw a laser to Macklin to get them into fg position.....game, set match. This is what great players do. When things are down you need your QB to take over and as much as we all like JC, he could never do what McNabb did last Sunday. It's time to move on. [/B][/quote]

I agree, JC's numbers look decent but like I've said in the past the numbers dont tell the whole story. JC is not a playmaker and with the game on the line he shows again & again he cant take over and win a game.

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yes, given an o-line , a real offensive coordinator and a little coaching i think we could win with campbell, go get vick atleast he knows how to run

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Give Campbell the protection that Tony Romo and Eli Manning had the last two weeks against our defense, and he will do just fine, especially with our improving young receivers. There is a reason that a high percentage of Campbell's completions are under 10 yards - if the ball isn't out of his hand in 2-3 seconds, he's usually getting planted by the opposing pass rush. If Bruce Allen's highest priority isn't bolstering the O-line, then it will be business as usual with dysfunction continuing to reign around here.

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No.

He has a couple of games where you think he's ok and you can win with him, then he goes back to playing really dumb and you wonder what you saw in him.

So frustrating.

I'm tired of yelling "throw it! throw it! throw it!.....damn, sack" or "step up! step up! step up!.....damn, sack" or "run with it! run with it! run with it!.....damn, sack".

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[quote=firstdown;647348]I voted No and its because I don't think he can read the D and has trouble finding the open man and that even when he has time. He never hits a WR comeing out of their break but waits to see if they can get wide open and never hits that window. I cannot remember the last time he threw a ball up so only our guy could make the play instead it sails over everyones head or bounces of the ground. He is tough and has heart but that does not always make a good/great NFL QB.[/quote]

No, for the reasons you state. He played well for a stretch after the change in playcaller, but has returned to form in the past two games. It certainly is not all his fault, and he probably was never given a great chance to succeed in Washington for a variety of reasons, but it is time to move on rather than get caught in a Jake Delhomme/Marc Bulger/David Garrard type situation (average to below average QB with an above average contract). In a perfect world the Skins could get some compensation for him (a 28 year old QB with starting experience and good statistics should be worth something). In a fantasy land we might hope for a 2nd, but it would probably be more realistic to look for a 4th (that is, give him a high tender as an RFA and then negotiate a trade with another team).

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I'm going with a no, and I consider myself a staunch Campbell supporter. But it was something about the Dallas game that said to me this guy, even given all the right pieces, will only get marginally better. Like I said in the other thread, Campbell does a lot of things okay, but not one thing great. And by now, good offensive line or not, you should be able to have something that you are great at as an NFL quarterback. My biggest criticism of Campbell is that he lacks football instincts. No amount of coaching can compensate for that.

Furthermore, this team has only won 4 games this season. I think you could put Jeff Garcia at the helm and get similiar, if not better results.

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[quote=FRPLG;647321]I voted yes. I'll take good over "maybe great but probably not much better than JC". I just don't think there are a whole slew of better QBs in the league right now anyways. I don't see what the point of picking a guy like Clausen or Bradford is when history shows at least one of them won't be as good and the other may only be somewhat better. It isn't terribly likely that either is great.. Great QBs like Manning/Brady/Brees/Rivers come every few years out of what like 12-13 QBS taken in the first round? Not good odds. I just don't like the risk/time requirement needed isn't worth it when we have a guy that can be a winner. And I don't like that we can't really tell how good he is since he is constantly getting pounded.[/quote]

I agree and I voted yes as well. There are only a small handful of "great" QBs on earth. We're sure not going to get anyone better than JC in FA, and no one we could draft will step in as a rookie and play better than JC.

I'd like to see what he can do with some system consistency when he's not getting beaten to a pulp every single game. I heard Larry Michael say that Jason was sitting in an ice tub with a black eye after the Giants game on MNF last week. And we all saw the shots he took against Dallas. He gets the sh*t kicked out of him every week, and he never complains, and always gets back up, sticks his chin out, and keeps fighting. Gotta love that. Give the man some protection and he'll be fine.

I've said this ad nauseum, but I do think we should draft a guy later in the draft like a Tony Pike or Dan Lefevour to develop as well.

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One more thing, let's no confuse me not wanting him to come back with if he does, I think he can succeed. So if Campbell indeed returns, I'm okay with that too. But I'd much rather the team move on and seek other solutions at the QB position.

And no, Colt Brennan is not the answer!

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The offensive line's struggles are too often a crutch or an excuse for Campbell's own struggles.

I struggle with this because I know it's not really Campbell's fault where he was drafted. But you don't trade multiple picks to get into the first round to draft a QB that can play well if everything around him is running smoothly. You spend a 6th round pick on a QB out of Washington State to do that.

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Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?

How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.

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[quote=Texanskin;647350]people really believe that a rookie QB can play better than JC????? Sorry...this is a wild assumption. What young QB has played well with a SORRY line??? none. So when Bradford sucks...everyone will say...he needs better protection on top of the fact "he is a rookie". well...how about "skipping" the rookie excuse...and stick with the "better protection" is all we need for our team. A young QB would take 3 or 4 years to develop and JC is ready now "with better protection"[/quote]

Yes we should draft a rookie, BUT go out and sign a FA veteran QB (Bulger) or someone like that just incase. We are rebuilding anyway right?

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I'm not sure who I envision under center.

But let's say it's Bradford, I'm not convinced that in 3 years we'll be a better team with Campbell behind center than him.

It's a good question, Pain. Something I don't easily have the answer to