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firstdown 01-18-2010 10:38 AM

Massachusetts Senate Race
 
Well I'll have to say I did not see this coming and this is going to be a very close election. I think the main reason is that Mass reformed their state health ins. back in 2006 and the cost have soared and new regulations and bureaucracy are limiting consumer choice. Your thoughts. [url=http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10268]Massachusetts Miracle or Massachusetts Miserable: What the Failure of the "Massachusetts Model" Tells Us about Health Care Reform | Michael D. Tanner | Cato Institute: Briefing Paper[/url]

12thMan 01-18-2010 10:58 AM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
If you're a democrat, this is a potential disaster on so many level. Martha Coakley, just like Creigh Deeds who lost in Virginia, is just a horrible candidate. She campaigned poorly, lazily (if that's a word), and had no passion. From what I understand she's a good woman, but her campaign has been run arrogantly and out of touch.

In terms of where healthcare now stands, it seems like the Dems and the White House are contingent planning in the event Coakley loses and pass the Senate version, without it going to the House, and get it to the president's desk for his signature.

This is just ugly. I'm so ready for this shit to be over. On a separate, but somewhat related note, Mitt Romney has been awfully quiet throughout this entire debate. And if the Republicans are hanging their fortunes on him in 2012, this is just a taste of the backlash he could face seeing he was governor when healthcare passed in Mass.

firstdown 01-18-2010 11:39 AM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
The Dems only have themself to blame for changing the law back in 2004 to hold a special election.[URL="http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/08/massachusetts_law_requires_spe.html"]Massachusetts' law requires special election to fill Ted Kennedy's U.S. Senate seat | National News - cleveland.com - - cleveland.com[/URL]

saden1 01-18-2010 12:16 PM

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[quote=firstdown;656126]Well I'll have to say I did not see this coming and this is going to be a very close election. I think the main reason is that Mass reformed their state health ins. back in 2006 and the cost have soared and new regulations and bureaucracy are limiting consumer choice. Your thoughts. [URL="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10268"]Massachusetts Miracle or Massachusetts Miserable: What the Failure of the "Massachusetts Model" Tells Us about Health Care Reform | Michael D. Tanner | Cato Institute: Briefing Paper[/URL][/quote]

The sad truth is Mr. Brown voted for MA's healthcare plan and Gov. Romney signed it willingly. If Dems can't pull MA in it's going to be a really ugly election year.

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firstdown 01-18-2010 12:27 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=saden1;656145]The sad truth is Mr. Brown voted for MA's healthcare plan and Gov. Romney signed it willingly. If Dems can't pull MA in it's going to be a really ugly election year.

[yt]A4UhJqYFVtM[/yt][/quote]

Ugly for the Dems maybe. I'm not convienced he can win until all the votes are counted. Even then if he wins all we will hear about is all the fraud that went on but that's allready starting.

dmek25 01-18-2010 12:37 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
funny how Brown, who voted FOR Mass. health care, says Obama's plan sucks. and them being 2 different plans is a good thing IMO

12thMan 01-18-2010 01:00 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
Well, Brown opened up a five point lead today in the latest poll. But the northeast can be so unpredictable on election day. I hope Coakley can eek this one out. She doesn't deserve to win, but I hope she does.

Monkeydad 01-18-2010 01:37 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
Even the people of Massachusetts think ObamaCare is a bad idea. That says a LOT.

That IS what that election is about. There's no denying it.

I just hate how the Democrats are using the death of Senator Kennedy to further their political plans. Plus, it's NOT the Kennedy Seat, as Brown said correctly, it's the "People's Seat". The Democrats (and the Kennedy family) think they're entitled to the seat and will be in for a huge shock when the people take it back from that family and party.

This is just a preview of the 2010 elections in November. The far majority of Americans DO NOT WANT ObamaCare and their backdoor, middle-of-the-night, bribe-filled attempts to force it on people despite the opinions of the constituents is going to wake up a sleeping giant. See here: [url=http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/59933]CNSNews.com - What Washington Post Story Did Not Say about Its Own Poll: Most Americans Say They Want a Smaller Government[/url]


More chaos:
[URL="http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/01/after_obama_ral.php"]After Obama Rally, Dems Pin Blame On Bush - Hotline On Call[/URL] :D

[URL="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100118/D9D9U7Q80.html"]My Way News - Dems look at bypassing Senate health care vote[/URL]

[URL="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/13568/"]Gateway Pundit[/URL]
The Kennedys don't even know her name!

mlmpetert 01-18-2010 05:22 PM

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Definitely going to be a close race with the looser accusing the other of cheating. Will be a fascinating race to watch.

In some of the things I am reading it says Obama has done a tv commercial supporting Miss Coakley. And I am pretty sure Obama also did one for Mr. Deeds. I know in the past Presidents have vocalized their support for a senator, congressman, or governor candidate through interviews and general comments, but have they ever really done tv commercials?

wolfeskins 01-18-2010 05:48 PM

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[quote=mlmpetert;656228]Definitely going to be a close race with the looser accusing the other of cheating. Will be a fascinating race to watch.

In some of the things I am reading it says Obama has done a tv commercial supporting Miss Coakley. And [B][U]I am pretty sure Obama also did one for Mr. Deeds.[/U][/B] I know in the past Presidents have vocalized their support for a senator, congressman, or governor candidate through interviews and general comments, but have they ever really done tv commercials?[/quote]


yea,i'm pretty sure he did. it only hurt deeds though. virginia, like alot of other states, was fooled into voting for obama but after seeing obama in action for a few months most people that voted for him are realizing they made a mistake. so when obama endorses someone people vote the other way.

12thMan 01-18-2010 07:20 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
Wolfeskins, you're wrong on both accounts. Respectfully. First, the exit polling in both the Virginia and N.J races were not a referundum on the president or his agenda. It was and still is primarily about the respective candidates themselves and the local issues in those states. In the case of Creigh Deeds, as I've stated before, and in the case of Martha Coakley both campaigns left a lot to be desired.

On the second point, Obama stumped for Coakley yesterday at Northeastern University. They used footage from that event; Obama didn't tape a commercial for her. It's her commercial and her voice endorsing said ad at the end. I think for people to try to connect the dots from these two or three races and come to some conclusion about the president's agenda is premature and not realizing most importantly that politics are local. This is the ebb and flow of politics and elections in an off year for incumbent candidates.

Are Democrats in trouble? With each day that passes, that's becoming more and more appearant. But to say this spells trouble in 2012 for President Obama is wishful thinking, in my opinion. It takes a horse to beat a horse, and so far the Republicans have produced a lot of show ponies.

TheSmurfs22 01-18-2010 07:37 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
I would like to see Brown win but I have a sinking feeling Coakley will eek it out in the 11the hour. IF Brown wins expect the Dems on the Hill to push Healthcare through before Brown gets there.

TheSmurfs22 01-18-2010 07:39 PM

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Are Democrats in trouble? With each day that passes, that's becoming more and more appearant. But to say this spells trouble in 2012 for President Obama is wishful thinking, in my opinion. It takes a horse to beat a horse, and so far the Republicans have produced a lot of show ponies.[/QUOTE]
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I agree with your comment esp about 2012. Unless Obama totally bungles things he will be re-elected. I have believed all along he would be a two term president. The Republicans are still in disaray and need to sort themselves out if they want to put a viable candidate out there in 2012.

12thMan 01-18-2010 07:46 PM

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;656288]Are Democrats in trouble? With each day that passes, that's becoming more and more appearant. But to say this spells trouble in 2012 for President Obama is wishful thinking, in my opinion. It takes a horse to beat a horse, and so far the Republicans have produced a lot of show ponies.[/quote]
~~~~
I agree with your comment esp about 2012. Unless Obama totally bungles things he will be re-elected. I have believed all along he would be a two term president. The Republicans are still in disaray and need to sort themselves out if they want to put a viable candidate out there in 2012.[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong though, a Coakley lost will be a big hit to the White House. But like I said, you need another heavy weight to put in the ring in 2012, and right now Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee are the front runners. Someone like Senator John Thune could emerge as a player, I don't know. But he's more of a long shot than a viable candidate at this point.

wolfeskins 01-18-2010 08:07 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=12thMan;656278]Wolfeskins, you're wrong on both accounts. Respectfully. [B]First, the exit polling in both the Virginia and N.J races were not a referundum on the president or his agenda[/B]. It was and still is primarily about the respective candidates themselves and the local issues in those states. In the case of Creigh Deeds, as I've stated before, and in the case of Martha Coakley both campaigns left a lot to be desired.

On the second point, Obama stumped for Coakley yesterday at Northeastern University. They used footage from that event; Obama didn't tape a commercial for her. It's her commercial and her voice endorsing said ad at the end. I think for people to try to connect the dots from these two or three races and come to some conclusion about the president's agenda is premature and not realizing most importantly that politics are local. This is the ebb and flow of politics and elections in an off year for incumbent candidates.

Are Democrats in trouble? With each day that passes, that's becoming more and more appearant. [B]But to say this spells trouble in 2012 for President Obama is wishful thinking, in my opinion.[/B] It takes a horse to beat a horse, and so far the Republicans have produced a lot of show ponies.[/quote]

hey all i'm saying is people are really disapointed with obama and the demacratic party and because of that republicans will continue to gain seats.

like i've said before obama will prolly go down as the worst pres.in history so far. he's been a huge disapointment.

12thMan 01-18-2010 08:12 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=wolfeskins;656313]hey all i'm saying is people are really disapointed with obama and the demacratic party and because of that republicans will continue to gain seats.

like i've said before obama will prolly go down as the worst pres.in history so far. he's been a huge disapointment.[/quote]

I agree with your first statement, people are disappointed with Obama. But that would be another thread. lol

I respect your opinion, no biggie.

wolfeskins 01-18-2010 08:15 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=12thMan;656314]I agree with your first statement, people are disappointed with Obama. But that would be another thread. lol

I respect your opinion, no biggie.[/quote]

yea,it's just my opinion. i could be completely wrong

GMScud 01-18-2010 09:37 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
IMO, as a Republican, I'm finding this race in Mass totally hilarious. I don't know if it's because Coakley felt like she was entitled to a Kennedy seat simply because she shares his party, but this campaign has been AWFUL! Alienating Red Sox and Bruins fans, saying Catholics shouldn't work in emergency rooms, Patrick Kennedy doesn't even know Coakley's name, Obama comes in and makes fun of Brown's truck (HELLO? A GM truck with over 200,000 miles- oops!). It's no wonder Rahm and Co won't let him speak off the cuff anymore... I mean, what a shit show. Oh, and don't forget that awkward moment this morning when Coakley tried to relate Dr. King's "dream" to her campaign. I was embarrassed for her. She's got campaign staff that can't even spell the name of the state for God's sake.

Coakley is a fail. Massachusetts hasn't had a Republican senator in 38 years. They will tomorrow. And when the polls close, my must see TV will be MSNBC. It's gonna be hilarious.

Trample the Elderly 01-18-2010 09:39 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=12thMan;656278]Wolfeskins, you're wrong on both accounts. Respectfully. [B]First, the exit polling in both the Virginia and N.J races were not a referundum on the president or his agenda[/B]. It was and still is primarily about the respective candidates themselves and the local issues in those states. In the case of Creigh Deeds, as I've stated before, and in the case of Martha Coakley both campaigns left a lot to be desired.

On the second point, Obama stumped for Coakley yesterday at Northeastern University. They used footage from that event; Obama didn't tape a commercial for her. It's her commercial and her voice endorsing said ad at the end. I think for people to try to connect the dots from these two or three races and come to some conclusion about the president's agenda is premature and not realizing most importantly that politics are local. This is the ebb and flow of politics and elections in an off year for incumbent candidates.

Are Democrats in trouble? With each day that passes, that's becoming more and more appearant. But to say this spells trouble in 2012 for President Obama is wishful thinking, in my opinion. It takes a horse to beat a horse, and so far the Republicans have produced a lot of show ponies.[/quote]

My vote was.

wolfeskins 01-18-2010 10:02 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=Trample the Elderly;656356]My vote was.[/quote]

so was mine but apparently we were not polled while exiting the voting area. thank the lord,cuz i never want to be polled.:)

GMScud 01-18-2010 10:20 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=12thMan;656278]Wolfeskins, you're wrong on both accounts. Respectfully. First, the exit polling in both the Virginia and N.J races were not a referundum on the president or his agenda. It was and still is primarily about the respective candidates themselves and the local issues in those states. In the case of Creigh Deeds, as I've stated before, and in the case of Martha Coakley both campaigns left a lot to be desired.

On the second point, Obama stumped for Coakley yesterday at Northeastern University. They used footage from that event; Obama didn't tape a commercial for her. It's her commercial and her voice endorsing said ad at the end. I think for people to try to connect the dots from these two or three races and come to some conclusion about the president's agenda is premature and not realizing most importantly that politics are local. This is the ebb and flow of politics and elections in an off year for incumbent candidates.

[B]Are Democrats in trouble? With each day that passes, that's becoming more and more appearant. But to say this spells trouble in 2012 for President Obama is wishful thinking, in my opinion. It takes a horse to beat a horse, and so far the Republicans have produced a lot of show ponies.[/B][/quote]

I agree that the Republicans don't have a "horse" so to speak, but really, is Obama anything more than a "show pony" himself? He's proven to be more style than substance thus far. He ran a campaign just left of center and has governed from the far left. He's been in steady decline in the polls since his inauguration. Someone will emerge from the GOP, and by the time 2012 rolls around, Obama's re-election won't be nearly the slam dunk many Dems think. IMO anyway.

GMScud 01-18-2010 10:28 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
On a side note, is anyone else stunned that firstdown started this thread and Massachusetts is spelled correctly in the thread title? Must have been some copy-paste. :)

saden1 01-18-2010 10:35 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
Don't count your chickens before they hatch folks. Little known fact....every year 200 million male chicks hare killed right after they hatch in the United States. Why you ask? Because they can't lay eggs.

[yt]JJ--faib7to[/yt]

This post is in the memory of Doug Hoffman and all the Republican losers of all the special elections.

GMScud 01-18-2010 10:39 PM

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[quote=saden1;656389]Don't count your chickens before they hatch folks. Little known fact....every year 200 million male chicks hare killed right after they hatch. Why you ask? Because they can't lay eggs.

This post is in the memory of Doug Hoffman and all the republican losers of all the special elections.[/quote]

Seems like Pelosi knows it's done. Hell, other Dems in congress are openly criticizing Coakley. Barney Frank called out some of her mistakes today. Obviously it ain't over till it's over, but if I had to guess, Brown wins by 3-5 points. Her campaign was a laughing stock, and with so much at stake, she should be ashamed of herself, especially considering the Lion-size shoes she's trying to fill.

budw38 01-18-2010 10:59 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esam_Omeish]Esam Omeish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] Gov. Kaine in Va. appointed this preacher of radical Islam / immigration ... he later resigned . Politics can be freakin crazy , fun and almost scary .

12thMan 01-18-2010 11:30 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=GMScud;656385]I agree that the Republicans don't have a "horse" so to speak, but really, is Obama anything more than a "show pony" himself? He's proven to be more style than substance thus far. He ran a campaign just left of center and has governed from the far left. He's been in steady decline in the polls since his inauguration. Someone will emerge from the GOP, and by the time 2012 rolls around, Obama's re-election won't be nearly the slam dunk many Dems think. IMO anyway.[/quote]

I don't know what Obama you're referring to, but the one in the White House right now is hardly governing from the far left. Even many on the right would agree much of his foreign policy is line with the previous administration. He's doubled, heck trippled, downed in Afghanistan, stepped up attacks in Pakistan and Yemen (before the Christmas Day attempt). He voted to keep FISA, still a very controversial Bush program, largely in tact to the dismay of many on the [I]far left[/I]. It sounds nice to say "Obama is a far left radical", but his policy decisions so far just don't bear that out.

I also find it difficult to believe that men of high regard like Secretery of Defense Robert Gates, NSA Jim Jones, and John Brennan would serve in an adminstration that was governing the country from the far left on national security issues.

Domestically, what, healthcare is far left? If that's far left, I think that's an issue he won't have a problem with in 2012. I agree, re-election won't be a slam dunk, they never are.

12thMan 01-18-2010 11:31 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=GMScud;656391]Seems like Pelosi knows it's done. Hell, other Dems in congress are openly criticizing Coakley. Barney Frank called out some of her mistakes today. Obviously it ain't over till it's over, but if I had to guess, Brown wins by 3-5 points. Her campaign was a laughing stock, and with so much at stake, she should be ashamed of herself, especially considering the Lion-size shoes she's trying to fill.[/quote]

Totally agree.

GMScud 01-18-2010 11:34 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=12thMan;656415]I don't know what Obama you're referring to, but the one in the White House right now is hardly governing from the far left. Even many on the right would agree much of his foreign policy is line with the previous administration. He's doubled, heck trippled, downed in Afghanistan, stepped up attacks in Pakistan and Yemen (before the Christmas Day attempt). He voted to keep FISA, still a very controversial Bush program, largely in tact to the dismay of many on the [I]far left[/I]. It sounds nice to say "Obama is a far left radical", but his policy decisions so far just don't bear that out.

I also find it difficult to believe that men of high regard like Secretery of Defense Robert Gates, NSA Jim Jones, and John Brennan would serve in an adminstration that was governing the country from the far left on national security issues.

Domestically, what, healthcare is far left? If that's far left, I think that's an issue he won't have a problem with in 2012. I agree, re-election won't be a slam dunk, they never are.[/quote]

Well, those are good points. I guess I should have been more specific. Domestically he's governing from the far left a lot more so than with foreign policy.

The Goat 01-18-2010 11:36 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
So what's the deal exactly? Why couldn't the Dem party in Mass find a strong candidate? There's ummm, quite a few people up there from what I understand, most of them being Dems.

KLHJ2 01-18-2010 11:43 PM

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How can you guys think about politics at a time like this? Our coaching staff hasn't even been filled yet!

12thMan 01-18-2010 11:47 PM

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[quote=The Goat;656420]So what's the deal exactly? Why couldn't the Dem party in Mass find a strong candidate? There's ummm, quite a few people up there from what I understand, most of them being Dems.[/quote]

Plain old arrogance dude. They thought it was shoe in because Kennedy held the seat for so long and Mass is reliably blue. Also the special election process just stinks if you ask me. But Coakley just isn't a campaigner; she didn't want it bad enough. The comment about Schilling being a Yankee fan was just nutso.

The Dems had better pull their heads out of their asses though. Seriously. One thing I'm starting to see, and hopefully they're starting to see, is that Obama's appeal hasn't been transferable. You know, people aren't exactly voting against him, but his popularity isn't moving the needle either. Voters aren't enthusiastic because Obama came to town. His presidency is unique in that it's all about him and not really affecting national elections one way or another. As we move into the mid-terms I really hope these guys can see that.

Besides, I might have to quit coming to Warpath if we keep dropping like flies:)

The Goat 01-19-2010 12:12 AM

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[quote=12thMan;656424]
The Dems had better pull their heads out of their asses though. Seriously. One thing I'm starting to see, and hopefully they're starting to see, is that Obama's appeal hasn't been transferable. You know, people aren't exactly voting against him, but his popularity isn't moving the needle either. Voters aren't enthusiastic because Obama came to town. His presidency is unique in that it's all about him and not really affecting national elections one way or another. As we move into the mid-terms I really hope these guys can see that.

Besides, I might have to quit coming to Warpath if we keep dropping like flies:)[/quote]

I think it's hard to draw parallels between Barack and the national scene but what you say makes sense. Personally I've been way more impressed w/ him than I expected to be, both in terms of comparison and just what's been accomplished. All I can remember from the first year under Bush is 1) him slashing federal aid to students (i was a student then) 2) him colluding w/ the f*cks at Enron (they all had Thanksgiving dinner together and the admin specifically gave the execs extra time to sell their stock in the company rather) 3) Cheney colluding w/ energy suppliers in Texas who screwed over the rest of the country (remember the great audio clips of Cheney's buddy saying "f*ck em, f*ck em all) 4) Bush ignoring CIA reports specifically warning of terrorist hijackings in the U.S.

Fast-forward and I can't say there's much I'd like to see different over the last year. I wish there was a real national health plan option because I've spent enough time in other 1st world nations to know what they have works infinitely better than the POS plan I have through BCBS. But that probably won't happen until private insurance literally ruins the country and we have to start from scratch...hell Truman tried over 60 yrs ago for national coverage it's not like this is anything revolutionary. One thing I like best about the current state of affairs is the current defense sec. Gates was just one or two of Bush's solid appointments in gov and thankfully the guy has stayed on. He is steadily cutting down on what is the most wasteful facet of government, and because he's a Rep holdover working for this pres it's not getting too much attention :)

70Chip 01-19-2010 12:55 AM

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The Democrats could still steal this. There are over 100,000 dead people still registered and over 500,000 who no longer reside in Mass. The Democrats could very well steal it.

Either way. this health care nonsense is the rope we will use to hang the Liberals. If Pelosi gets her way; if cooler heads don't prevail; if some moderate or group of moderates doesn't pull the plug on the current legislation; then we Republicans will festoon our bed chambers with Left Wing guts, figuratively speaking.

GMScud 01-19-2010 01:24 AM

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[quote=70Chip;656446]The Democrats could still steal this. There are over 100,000 dead people still registered and over 500,000 who no longer reside in Mass. The Democrats could very well steal it.

Either way. this health care nonsense is the rope we will use to hang the Liberals. If Pelosi gets her way; if cooler heads don't prevail; if some moderate or group of moderates doesn't pull the plug on the current legislation; then we Republicans will festoon our bed chambers with Left Wing guts, figuratively speaking.[/quote]

Help yourself to some decent meat. Great Gangs of New York reference.

saden1 01-19-2010 04:24 AM

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[quote=70Chip;656446]The Democrats could still steal this. There are over 100,000 dead people still registered and over 500,000 who no longer reside in Mass. The Democrats could very well steal it.

Either way. this health care nonsense is the rope we will use to hang the Liberals. If Pelosi gets her way; if cooler heads don't prevail; if some moderate or group of moderates doesn't pull the plug on the current legislation; then we Republicans will festoon our bed chambers with Left Wing guts, figuratively speaking.[/quote]

If you ain't cheating you ain't trying...just ask your boy Romney who no longer lives in MA but [URL="http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20100109mitt_romney_uses_his_sons_address_to_vote_in_special_elections/"]uses his son's address to maintain his MA residenc[/URL]y.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

dmek25 01-19-2010 05:45 AM

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[quote=70Chip;656446]The Democrats could still steal this. There are over 100,000 dead people still registered and over 500,000 who no longer reside in Mass. The Democrats could very well steal it.

Either way. this health care nonsense is the rope we will use to hang the Liberals. If Pelosi gets her way;[B] if cooler heads don't prevail[/B]; if some moderate or group of moderates doesn't pull the plug on the current legislation; then we Republicans will festoon our bed chambers with Left Wing guts, figuratively speaking.[/quote]
this statement makes me laugh

70Chip 01-19-2010 06:55 AM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=saden1;656452]If you ain't cheating you ain't trying...just ask your boy Romney who no longer lives in MA but [URL="http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20100109mitt_romney_uses_his_sons_address_to_vote_in_special_elections/"]uses his son's address to maintain his MA residenc[/URL]y.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.[/quote]

This is the most reasonable non football post you've ever created. Let the ancient laws of combat decide who holds sway over the 5 points for good and all.

[YT]Ly2yKcOJC7Y[/YT]

saden1 01-19-2010 11:31 AM

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[quote=70Chip;656456]This is the most reasonable non football post you've ever created. Let the ancient laws of combat decide who holds sway over the 5 points for good and all.

[YT]Ly2yKcOJC7Y[/YT][/quote]

You need to try harder with my post...and yes, if it comes to it I will gut you.

firstdown 01-19-2010 12:47 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=12thMan;656424]Plain old arrogance dude. They thought it was shoe in because Kennedy held the seat for so long and Mass is reliably blue. Also the special election process just stinks if you ask me. But Coakley just isn't a campaigner; she didn't want it bad enough. The comment about Schilling being a Yankee fan was just nutso.

The Dems had better pull their heads out of their asses though. Seriously. One thing I'm starting to see, and hopefully they're starting to see, is that Obama's appeal hasn't been transferable. You know, people aren't exactly voting against him, but his popularity isn't moving the needle either. Voters aren't enthusiastic because Obama came to town. His presidency is unique in that it's all about him and not really affecting national elections one way or another. As we move into the mid-terms I really hope these guys can see that.

Besides, I might have to quit coming to Warpath if we keep dropping like flies:)[/quote]
They thought it was a shoe in because Mass is 3 to 1 dems and Obama carried the state with a strong 26% more voters. If the Rep win the election or even comme close I think it direct reflection on Obama and what they now think of his agenda. The voters in Mass know they are the only one's stopping health care reform and that a big issue because they know what happens when goverment takes over health care. If you don't like the special election you need to be mad at the Dems as they changed the process to insure they would keep the seat but now it looks like it might backfire on them.

firstdown 01-19-2010 12:53 PM

Re: Massachusetts Senate Race
 
[quote=saden1;656452]If you ain't cheating you ain't trying...just ask your boy Romney who no longer lives in MA but [URL="http://news.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20100109mitt_romney_uses_his_sons_address_to_vote_in_special_elections/"]uses his son's address to maintain his MA residenc[/URL]y.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.[/quote]
Thats a pretty big stretch because he has owned those other homes while he has lived in Mass. He is in the process of buying a home and moving but has not yet done so. My parents own a second home in NC and if they sold their home in Va and while looking for a new home they would not change their living address to NC while looking for a new home. This election would not even been taking place if the dems didn't change the rules when they thought it would help them. Try again.


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