Portis staying?
 

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CP and I were texting last night and he told me he wants to stay if the Skins will have him. Thinks the Skins are a playoff team and Campbell will have his best season as a pro.

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Isn't Snyder's favorite player Clinton Portis? It wouldn't surprise me if Snyder lobbied hard on Clintons behalf to retain him on the roster.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;657843]Isn't Snyder's favorite player Clinton Portis? It wouldn't surprise me if Snyder lobbied hard on Clintons behalf to retain him on the roster.[/quote]

i don't think allen or shanny care what snyder says about portis. whether portis stays or goes will not be snyders decission.

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Charlie Casserly said he thinks if Portis comes in and hits the weight room and stays in shape he'll stay, if not, he's gone. He also said even though JC is not the usual type of QB in Shanny's system, Shanny has adjusted his offense to fit his QB in the past.

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I have no problem with Portis the player. He's still only 28 years old, and he can still run.

I have a problem with the primadonna Portis:
- the one that criticizes teammates and coaches
- doesn't practice
- who has lost the support of the locker room

If he can fix those things, sure, we can keep him.

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[quote=12thMan;657838]CP and I were texting last night and he told me he wants to stay if the Skins will have him. Thinks the Skins are a playoff team and Campbell will have his best season as a pro.[/quote]
you guys are tight?

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if we are financially tied to him regardless if he is with us or not, i think we may as well keep him. his legs will be fairly fresh compared to past seasons, and he is still our best option, or one of them.

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Shannahan has an open mind all right. He can't wait to see what happens with the uncapped year so he can cut him. He traded him in his prime and I'd venture to say he wouldn't hesitate to cut an aging cancer like Portis.

Portis career is almost over as an every down back. The list is long of 29-30 year old backs with a lot of miles on them (Jamal Lewis, Edge, Earl Campbell, Eddie George, Emmitt Smith, more recently LT) that hit the wall.

Time to move on.

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[quote=Big C;657873]if we are financially tied to him regardless if he is with us or not, i think we may as well keep him. his legs will be fairly fresh compared to past seasons, and he is still our best option, or one of them.[/quote]

Am I right in saying that if he was cut during the uncapped year we'd be clear so to speak (and by that Snyder would payout his entire SB during that year but it would clear off the books and not cost against the cap in future years)?

If that's the case, cut Randle El, Randy Thomas, Smoot, Collins, Betts and Portis.

Do we have to pay Samuels if he retires?

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;657887]Am I right in saying that if he was cut during the uncapped year we'd be clear so to speak (and by that Snyder would payout his entire SB during that year but it would clear off the books and not cost against the cap in future years)?

[B]If that's the case, cut Randle El, Randy Thomas, Smoot, Collins, Betts and Portis.[/B]

Do we have to pay Samuels if he retires?[/quote]

i'd keep smoot.

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;657884]Shannahan has an open mind all right. He can't wait to see what happens with the uncapped year so he can cut him. He traded him in his prime and I'd venture to say he wouldn't hesitate to cut an aging cancer like Portis.

Portis career is almost over as an every down back. The list is long of 29-30 year old backs with a lot of miles on them (Jamal Lewis, Edge, Earl Campbell, Eddie George, Emmitt Smith, more recently LT) that hit the wall.

Time to move on.[/quote]

Yea Shanny traded Portis but I think he would rethink doing that trade again. Portis was just hitting his stride with Denver he would have put up huge numbers. Champ still did not make the defense that much better. Portis would have made more of an impact then Champ.

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You know I saw CP's bathroom on a TV show once and although we have never talked, I believe that we are best friends. In fact he told me (in my dreams) that he will be here next year after his greatest offseason, just to play for Shanny again.

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[quote=Angry;657952]You know I saw CP's bathroom on a TV show once and although we have never talked, I believe that we are best friends. In fact he told me (in my dreams) that he will be here next year after his greatest offseason, just to play for Shanny again.[/quote]

i had a dream a few days ago. in my dream i was sitting at my computer logging on to the warpath. when the home page appeared the first thread i noticed was titled "PORTIS RELEASED".

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That was the same dream that I had the night after.

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[quote=Angry;657956]That was the same dream that I had the night after.[/quote]

you know, they say smart minds dream alike.lol:food-smil

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hey angry, i noticed your user title under your name (ANGRY for london fletcher)

if the saints win you can be (HAPPY for london fletcher)

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[quote=wolfeskins;657962]hey angry, i noticed your user title under your name (ANGRY for london fletcher)

if the saints win you can be (HAPPY for london fletcher)[/quote]


Correct, SIR!

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[quote=Big C;657873]if we are financially tied to him regardless if he is with us or not, i think we may as well keep him. his legs will be fairly fresh compared to past seasons, and he is still our best option, or one of them.[/quote]


PA-LEASE

1- This year is uncapped. If we are to get rid of the "Mortgaging Our Future" thought process Cerrato brought with him then now is the time to do it. I'd rather we payed him off and let him go. Why keep an injury prone, lazy ass RB on the squad when you have Shanahan who can just about make any RB a star with his system at a cheeper price? Who would be younger and healthier.

2- His legs may be fresh but what about his foot? Plus he's more easily prone for concussions now that he's already had one.

3- As I stated before, In Shanahans system he can turn a 7th round RB into a star.

4- At this point Portis, Betts, and Rock all need to go since they are 30 or close to it. We need younger healthier RB's. Ganther has proven to be a similar style of back as the others so I'd keep him and see what Shanahan can do with him. We picked up Alridge again most likely cause Shanahan loves him. Maybe pick a RB up in later rounds.

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[quote=SBXVII;657968]PA-LEASE

1- This year is uncapped. If we are to get rid of the "Mortgaging Our Future" thought process Cerrato brought with him then now is the time to do it. I'd rather we payed him off and let him go. Why keep an injury prone, lazy ass RB on the squad when you have Shanahan who can just about make any RB a star with his system at a cheeper price? Who would be younger and healthier.

2- His legs may be fresh but what about his foot? Plus he's more easily prone for concussions now that he's already had one.

3- As I stated before, In Shanahans system he can turn a 7th round RB into a star.

4- At this point Portis, Betts, and Rock all need to go since they are 30 or close to it. We need younger healthier RB's. Ganther has proven to be a similar style of back as the others so I'd keep him and see what Shanahan can do with him. We picked up Alridge again most likely cause Shanahan loves him. Maybe pick a RB up in later rounds.[/quote]

Yup!

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I won't be surprised to see him back, but it would definitely be under Shanahan's terms as far as him practicing regularly and being in top condition.


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[quote=DIE-NASTY;657887]Am I right in saying that if he was cut during the uncapped year we'd be clear so to speak (and by that Snyder would payout his entire SB during that year but it would clear off the books and not cost against the cap in future years)?

If that's the case, cut Randle El, Randy Thomas, Smoot, Collins, Betts and Portis.

Do we have to pay Samuels if he retires?[/quote]

More likely than not we will enter the 2010 season as an un-capped year. It is also likely there won't ever be a salry capp again in the future, so in Portis's case it's six in one hand and a half dozen in the other. His contract has no capp ramifications because there won't be one.

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CP will have a 1,500 yard season next year for the B&G...write it down!

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Not really excited about any of our RB's...Portis included...that's a hole that can't really be addressed this draft as we have MANY other needs.

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haha serves the self important jerk right...for being a self important jerk

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Portis is garbage. He's washed up. I dont know why some people still give him so much of a break...he has done everything in his power to implode the team, alienate his fellow players, and just generally be a nuisance.

Mark my words, there is absolutley no way that Portis agrees to Shanahan's terms. He is a guy who does not like to practice, work out, or attend any kind of extra meetings. He's a flabby slob on the field. Horrible conditioning. He is a gutless snake who talks crap about people behind their backs, because he's too much of a chicken shit to confront them, obviously because he knows his punk ass would get beat down.

Look at what he did to Sellars, and Jason Campbell. Both of that stuff was behind their back. A guy like him will never change his stripes. And if he stays here, somebody is eventually going to give him what he has coming to him....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;658026]Portis is garbage. He's washed up. I dont know why some people still give him so much of a break...he has done everything in his power to implode the team, alienate his fellow players, and just generally be a nuisance.

Mark my words, there is absolutley no way that Portis agrees to Shanahan's terms. He is a guy who does not like to practice, work out, or attend any kind of extra meetings. He's a flabby slob on the field. Horrible conditioning. He is a gutless snake who talks crap about people behind their backs, because he's too much of a chicken shit to confront them, obviously because he knows his punk ass would get beat down.

Look at what he did to Sellars, and Jason Campbell. Both of that stuff was behind their back. A guy like him will never change his stripes. And if he stays here, somebody is eventually going to give him what he has coming to him....[/quote]

Michael Westbrook style...

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[quote=12thMan;657838]CP and I were texting last night and he told me he wants to stay if the Skins will have him. Thinks the Skins are a playoff team and Campbell will have his best season as a pro.[/quote]

Really can i borrow his number there are a few questions i would like to ask him?

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[quote=wolfeskins;657844]i don't think allen or shanny care what snyder says about portis. whether portis stays or goes will not be snyders decission.[/quote]

Even Mr. Snyder has come to the realization that Portis's incendiary behavior has alienated many throughout the Redskins community. The antics he has put on display are not condusive to team building, he's going to have to change some things in order to remain a Redskin and I honestly don't think he can do it.

What Problem with Portis?
 

I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.

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So how many games do you think Portis has cost us with his work habits and attitude? And when he only gets 1 or 2 yards and falls over his own feet, then what?

Portis was costing us games this year...no doubt about it...people need to wake up on this. Our offense was stagnant and needed anything they could get and Portis kept us out of the game. At least Ladell would have kept us in there had he not been hurt?

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);658054]I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.[/quote]

I don't think CP is the demon that some want to make him out to be, but he's certainly not an innocent party in all of this. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. He needs to be reeled in a bit and Shanahan can do that.

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If this year is an uncapped year and we can cut him and absorb his NFL highest contract for a RB without further cap ramifications then we should cut him. Yeah he could be productive next year but for how long (neck, foot and head injuries...isn't as explosive either)? And how long do we want to pay him like an elite back when we could use that money at other positions?

Shanny will plug someone in and they'll be successful running the ball given they improve the line.

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Even the best or runningbacks stumble. Peterson just yesterday did the same thing and ended what was one move away from being a 50 or 60 yard td run. Betts is a mediocre back-up at best. The only time he was worth his weight was when portis was injured, randy and samuels returned, and Betts had the full and healthy o-line ahead of him.
Seriously though. I mean, yeah, Sellars had one year were like 8 out of his 9 catches were TDs but since then, what's the situation? He's costed us many games where there was no if, ands, or maybe's. I'm sure we ALL remember the goaline drive where he literaly handed the otehr team the ball. We cant use him as the power-back in the redzone cuz he fumbles too much! and we've tried, lord knows we tried, but he never busts threw for the touch, but PORTIS does. (so does Marcus Mason)
Now, If Shanahan can find another YOUNGER Champ Bailey to trade Portis for, then fine, but the LAST thing i want is Portis to run uss over like Stephen Davis did when we let HIM go.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);658054]I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth! When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.[/quote]

Good post. I believe its time to move on from Portis along with players such as: ARE, Randy Thomas, Rabach, Smoot, Rock, Daniels under the old regime and should be released or not brought back along with this movement. As a franchise we bottomed out this year under the Snyder/Vinny leadership, and now its a new era. Portis contract is disgusting and Shanny has proven he can get any RB to preform in his system. Portis's mouth doesnt help, you dont call out your QB to the media EVER. Its time for change.

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Hey Beneil, you dont have to worry about Portis running anybody over if he leaves the team. There is no way he'd be a starter....he runs at a slow jog speed, so you have plenty of time to get out of the way.

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He's only 28, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think he could still have a couple of quality seasons left, perhaps in a rotation to help lighten his load. I think even if he stays Shanahan isn't going to make him his workhorse. We'll definitely see him in a two back system if he stays.

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[quote=Mattyk;658075]He's only 28, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think he could still have a couple of quality seasons left, perhaps in a rotation to help lighten his load. I think even if he stays Shanahan isn't going to make him his workhorse. We'll definitely see him in a two back system if he stays.[/quote]

Word. I mean to say is speed is a slow jog is just retarded! It's hard to imagine anyone slow jogging 78 yards. (his longest run this season) He averaged 4 yards per carry WITH A CRAPPY LINE! Under Shanahan's system, he averaged 5.5 so it's safe to say he'll be somewhere in the middle next year, should he stay with Da Skinz. I hope so. Not too many guys can take it and run as many times in one game and still have the vigor to break tackles. I mean, the man breaks more tackles before he gets to the line of scrimage than anyone. Imagine if he HAD A LINE!?!?!?!!

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);658066]Even the best or runningbacks stumble. Peterson just yesterday did the same thing and ended what was one move away from being a 50 or 60 yard td run. Betts is a mediocre back-up at best. The only time he was worth his weight was when portis was injured, randy and samuels returned, and Betts had the full and healthy o-line ahead of him.
Seriously though. I mean, yeah, Sellars had one year were like 8 out of his 9 catches were TDs but since then, what's the situation? He's costed us many games where there was no if, ands, or maybe's. I'm sure we ALL remember the goaline drive where he literaly handed the otehr team the ball. We cant use him as the power-back in the redzone cuz he fumbles too much! and we've tried, lord knows we tried, but he never busts threw for the touch, but PORTIS does. (so does Marcus Mason)
Now, If Shanahan can find another YOUNGER Champ Bailey to trade Portis for, then fine, but the LAST thing i want is Portis to run uss over like Stephen Davis did when we let HIM go.[/quote]

So now this is all Sellers fault? Well we got rid of Mason cause he couldn't block. It didn't matter that he was a good runner. So maybe we should simply cut Seller's.

All I can say is no one looked good in Zorn's screwed up offense. No one. Is/Was Portis a good runner? Yes. Could he provide 2 or 3 more decent yrs? who knows. But this is looking to be an uncapped yr. Most likely the only uncapped yr. Now is the time to shed the big contracts prior to any new CBA so we are not stuck with the big contracts any more or Vinny's future mortgage's. Thats the big issue. Now is Portis producing? Yes. So I guess the team has to weigh his worth. Keep in mind Portis is aging, seems to be injury prone, has a foot issue, and a concussion issue. If he were to get surgery on his foot and come back balls to the walls working out with the team, practicing with the team, playing in preseason with the team, and not complaining, then I'm for paying off his salary and re-signing him at a lower wage which would be more future cap friendly. But there still is the issue of him having a major concussion. Will his doctor release him to play again? and if he does he will be more easily suseptible to getting another concussion. He's not the shifty RB he used to be since Gibbs had him he has turned into the power RB Gibbs likes which means Portis will be taking a pounding with his head issue. Plus to top that off Shanahan has a plug and play RB system.

Now is he worth keeping? I'd say no. Cut him lose the big contract and find a younger healthier RB for Shanahan's system. Since just about anyone can run in it. Find someone who will be more of a team player and will play as he pratices.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);658054]I really don't get where you guys are getting your stats and ideas. This season, he went out with a cuncussion, but nobody who came in after him had similar stats. LAST season, he began the season with a half decent line and was at a 1800yard season pace, once we lost the best of our line, he STILL managed to get 1400 yards. Now, I personally don't consider getting 1400 with a crappy line as "Losing a step" when at his best, he only ended his highest season with 100 more yards.

[B]Also, when he "Threw his teamates under the bus" he was only telling the truth![/B] When starting back at our own 2 or 3 yardline our coach Zorn, moronicaly, called a slow developing sweep to the right. Sellars was CP's blocker and both of them were in the endzone. Sellars had two choices of people to block. He blocked the wrong one and Portis was saftied. He had nowhere to go and the rest of the line provided no support. His only chance at avoiding a safety would be Sellars making the right block. Sellars made similar blocking errors all game and CP was the one being punished, beat up, and battered because of them. If this was the only game that sellars showed his skills deminishing, then i'd say, "Bad Portis"... but he cost us several games. He also ended what could've been Cambells first big game win against the then undefeated saints by fumbling to end the drive in overtime.[/quote]

This has gotten to be one of the most lamest excuses I've ever heard. Throw your teamate or coach under the bus and justify it with, "He was only telling the truth". I guess some of the linemen should have gone on radio and said, " We'd have a better running game if Portis would come to practice and stop falling over his own feet". Or, " Maybe if Portis would hit the freakin hole like he's suppose to we would have gotten the first down". They would have only been telling the truth. You don't come out and publicly criticize a teamate or coach after they make a mistake. At least professionals don't. Portis is the LAST person on this team who should be throwing stones. On most teams, you don't see that. That would be like AP fumbling 3 times and then throwing Favre under the bus for throwing an INT. Portis needed to step his game up but instead blamed his teamates. PUBLICLY.