Congratulations to Gregg Williams
 

Separated by two years from what Williams could probably call "the year from hell", he gets to celebrate a high honor of Defensive Coordinator of the Super Bowl Champion Saints.

From the lows of seeing his most prized player, and friend, Sean Taylor pass away during the 2007 season, losing in the first round of the playoffs during that heartbreaking season and finally being cast out of consideration for the Redskins head coaching job, he has come a long way.

Though I don't like seeing former Redskins have good things happen to them, like Norv Turner, I don't mind so much that Gregg has found success with another team.

Gregg seemed like a sincere individual and from the coverage of the Taylor tragedy, he seemed really affected by that loss outside of the football field. Congratulations again to him for contributing to a Super Bowl victory and overcoming his adversity.

Fun Fact:
Here are three more former Skins that will be able to put on Super Bowl rings:
[B]Mark Brunell[/B], finally gets what he wanted and he'll probably retire after winning one.
[B]Chase Daniel[/B], Rookie QB, gets the most coveted ring in his first career outing...must be nice
[B]Pierson Prioleau[/B], one of Gregg's disciple's, he followed him from Buffalo, Washington, Jacksonville and then New Orleans and it finally paid off.

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Without Williams, the Saints are merely a fringe playoff spot holder in a weak division. With him, super bowl champions.

They probably don't sign Jabari Greer without Williams' recommendation, and without him and Vilma and Sharper, this is a bottom five defense. Overall, they were top half, and defended Peyton Manning exactly how the Bears needed to in 2006.

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G. Williams made this a [B]complete team[/B] and he should get the credit for shutting down the Colts offense. Warner-Favre-Manning. Great job Greg! 3 HOF quality QB's in a row. Hmmm....so defense DOES matter.

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Count me among those who wanted to see Double-G running the show here after Gibbs left. I'm glad he won the big one. If they don't get that pick six on Manning I'm reasonably certain the game goes the other way. And seriously, would ANYONE have taken a prop bet on Manning throwing a pick six in this game, much less at the critical point in which it occurred?

So yeah, we miss you Ggggrilliamsss.

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Gregg Williams should still be in DC, maybe not as HC but as DC. I hate to think our DC had to go to NO to win the SB, too bad it couldn't have happened for him here. I'm happy for him nonetheless.

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Hell of a coach, did you hear the story how NO got him, their HC called the owner & said we need this guy take $250,000 of my salary and add it to what we are offering to GW because i've got to have this DC.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;661581]
Fun Fact:
Here are three more former Skins that will be able to put on Super Bowl rings:
[B]Mark Brunell[/B], finally gets what he wanted and he'll probably retire after winning one.
[B]Chase Daniel[/B], Rookie QB, gets the most coveted ring in his first career outing...must be nice
[B]Pierson Prioleau[/B], one of Gregg's disciple's, he followed him from Buffalo, Washington, Jacksonville and then New Orleans and it finally paid off.[/quote]

Dont forget about Leigh Torrence. Although i dont know if IR players get SB rings?

Like most people i was upset that Torrence was cut in favor of JT. I think Gregg really liked him, and obvisouly had a hand in his development into a solid number 3 cornor.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;661605]Hell of a coach, did you hear the story how NO got him, their HC called the owner & said we need this guy take $250,000 of my salary and add it to what we are offering to GW because i've got to have this DC.[/quote]

Yeah! It was interesting to hear Payton reflect upon the fact he made the decision to go for Williams after downing a couple beers. It ultimately turned out to be a good decision.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;661581]Separated by two years from what Williams could probably call "the year from hell", he gets to celebrate a high honor of Defensive Coordinator of the Super Bowl Champion Saints.

From the lows of seeing his most prized player, and friend, Sean Taylor pass away during the 2007 season, losing in the first round of the playoffs during that heartbreaking season and finally being cast out of consideration for the Redskins head coaching job, he has come a long way.

Though I don't like seeing former Redskins have good things happen to them, like Norv Turner, I don't mind so much that Gregg has found success with another team.

Gregg seemed like a sincere individual and from the coverage of the Taylor tragedy, he seemed really affected by that loss outside of the football field. Congratulations again to him for contributing to a Super Bowl victory and overcoming his adversity.

Fun Fact:
Here are three more former Skins that will be able to put on Super Bowl rings:
[B]Mark Brunell[/B], finally gets what he wanted and he'll probably retire after winning one.
[B]Chase Daniel[/B], Rookie QB, gets the most coveted ring in his first career outing...must be nice
[B]Pierson Prioleau[/B], one of Gregg's disciple's, he followed him from Buffalo, Washington, Jacksonville and then New Orleans and it finally paid off.[/quote]

Excellent post and thread.

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You know who I'm really happy for?

Saints' LB coach Adam Zimmer. To lose his mother so suddenly and tragically in the middle of the season and then to finish the year with a Super Bowl. Can't help but feel good for him right now

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[quote=mlmpetert;661606]Dont forget about Leigh Torrence. [B]Although i dont know if IR players get SB rings?[/B]
Like most people i was upset that Torrence was cut in favor of JT. I think Gregg really liked him, and obvisouly had a hand in his development into a solid number 3 cornor.[/quote]

Yes they get rings aswell, so Heath Evans and Charles Grant and yes even Leigh Torrence get SB rings, even though they're all on IR. Shockey got a second one, even though his first was when he was up in the stands drinking (broken leg, IR)while the giants beat the then undefeated pats

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[quote=CultBrennan59;661709]Yes they get rings aswell, so Heath Evans and Charles Grant and yes even Leigh Torrence get SB rings, even though they're all on IR. Shockey got a second one, even though his first was when he was up in the stands drinking (broken leg, IR)while the giants beat the then undefeated pats[/quote]

never realized that

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And to think that we(the redskins former/current front office) thought that Jim Zorn would be a better Head Coach than Gregg Williams. I'm glad for him Prioleau and Brunell, as well as Sharper, Vilma, Brees, Will Smith, Colston, Jahri Evans, and all the other good vets/former good vets who didn't have a ring before.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;661721]And to think that we(the redskins former/current front office) thought that Jim Zorn would be a better Head Coach than Gregg Williams.[/quote]

I think what it comes down to is Snyder/Vinny felt that Zorn would be a coach that could be steered and manipulated, or at the very least a coach that wasn't going to tell them where to shove their advice.

Double-G was definitely neither of those options. :)

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Great post Skinny!!! I've wondering since yesterday what Gregg's next move will be. Personally I think he should stay in NO another year or two and wait for a great opportunity to become HC somewhere w/ a good offensive scheme.

And like Tripp said w/ Williams the Saints are a perennial SB contender. The dude needs to watch is caloric intake closer but NO is a great fit.

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F*#% Gregg Williams!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;661721]And to think that we(the redskins former/current front office) thought that Jim Zorn would be a better Head Coach than Gregg Williams. I'm glad for him Prioleau and Brunell, as well as Sharper, Vilma, Brees, Will Smith, Colston, Jahri Evans, and all the other good vets/former good vets who didn't have a ring before.[/quote]

Well this still doesn't really mean Williams would have been the right choice for head coach, some people are just better suited to be great coordinators.

Either way, good for him.

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I think GW deserves another shot at HC somewhere. I don't know how you could say he doesn't deserve another shot. Many, many coaches get 2nd shots.

The guy is hardcore and his players love him. His defenses are generrally very good no matter how much talent he's got.

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[quote=redsk1;661882]I think GW deserves another shot at HC somewhere. I don't know how you could say he doesn't deserve another shot. Many, many coaches get 2nd shots.

The guy is hardcore and his players love him. His defenses are generrally very good no matter how much talent he's got.[/quote]

I'm not sure you're addressing me, but I never said he doesn't deserve another shot

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[quote=dgack;661753]I think what it comes down to is Snyder/Vinny felt that Zorn would be a coach that could be steered and manipulated, or at the very least a coach that wasn't going to tell them where to shove their advice.

Double-G was definitely neither of those options. :)[/quote]Snyder never wanted a coach that would push back - that wouldn't have been any fun.

It will be interesting to see how the FO operates during free agency and the draft. It will go a long way toward predicting our future success. If Snyder is doing much of the FA wooing as opposed to Allen/Shanahan, then I think that would indicate that Snyder's fingers are still all over the FO, a very bad thing.

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^^ Wow. From congrats to Gregg Williams to bash Dan Snyder in one easy lesson. Snyder wants, and has always wanted, a winning coach. "Push back"? Shanahan won't push back, he'll simply run the show and, if DS tries to push, Shannie will pull a Marty. Regardless, don't we have a bunch of "I hate DS" threads already running?

Kudos to Gregg, Brunell and Zimmer. Good guys all.

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I was rooting for the Colts, but seeing Gregg and even Brunell win is great.










[I]*Technically Chase Daniel never made the team.[/I]

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[quote=Buster;661901]I was rooting for the Colts, but seeing Gregg and even Brunell win is great.










[I]*Technically Chase Daniel never made the team.[/I][/quote]

Me too.

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Eh, sorry to be Debbie Downer but I don't get the Grilliams love.. I mean I am happy for the Saints and the region that they won but let's not act like we were doing the same things (10 defensive TD, leading the league in turnovers) when he was here. Not to diminish his accomplishments but I don't understand the longing and affection for a guy who was up and down in his tenure here.

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[quote=The Goat;661754]Great post Skinny!!! I've wondering since yesterday what Gregg's next move will be. Personally I think he should stay in NO another year or two and wait for a great opportunity to become HC somewhere w/ a good offensive scheme.

And like Tripp said [B]w/ Williams the Saints are a perennial SB contender[/B]. The dude needs to watch is caloric intake closer but NO is a great fit.[/quote]

During the Super Bowl pre-game, I heard that Drew Brees played a big part in GW's decision to go to NO. He knew he was a good offense away from having a legit chance at a ring.

I've always liked GW, and I'm happy he's got his ring.

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[quote=Paintrain;661915]Eh, sorry to be Debbie Downer but I don't get the Grilliams love.. I mean I am happy for the Saints and the region that they won but let's not act like we were doing the same things (10 defensive TD, leading the league in turnovers) when he was here. Not to diminish his accomplishments but I don't understand the longing and affection for a guy who was up and down in his tenure here.[/quote]

i said the same thing in another thread, i could really care less either way if he got his ring or not he isn't with us anymore so go screw. the only type of guy i would be happy for is a chris samuels type a guy who kicked ass for us day in and day out for his whole career but never got a ring, if he were to be a coach on a team and get a ring i would be genuinely happy for him, but g williams ahh whatever

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[quote=mlmdub130;661917]i said the same thing in another thread, i could really care less either way if he got his ring or not he [B]isn't with us anymore so go screw[/B]. the only type of guy i would be happy for is a chris samuels type a guy who kicked ass for us day in and day out for his whole career but never got a ring, if he were to be a coach on a team and get a ring i would be genuinely happy for him, but g williams ahh whatever[/quote]

So I suppose you'd think the same about Sean Taylor...he isn't with us anymore so go screw???

Williams was pretty beat up about the whole tragedy two years ago so to see him come from those extreme depths to the high of Super Bowl Champion is great for him and I'm glad to see it.

He went as far as taking upon himself to honor Taylor with a ten man alignment to start the Buffalo game. I have no problem saluting a move that like and also no problem saluting this personal achievement from adversity.

It also must be moving for him to see Sharper have such a standout season under his tutelage. Williams has come a long way and if that is something you can't respect or reflect upon then let me be the first to tell you...go screw.

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[quote=Paintrain;661915]Eh, sorry to be Debbie Downer but I don't get the Grilliams love.. I mean I am happy for the Saints and the region that they won but let's not act like we were doing the same things (10 defensive TD, leading the league in turnovers) when he was here. Not to diminish his accomplishments but [B]I don't understand the longing and affection for a guy who was up and down in his tenure here.[/B][/quote]

Williams defense here in DC was one of the few things that ran consistently well. Our offense and Special Teams was more the problem during Gibbs II.
Greg Williams is a highly respected defensive coordinator in the NFL and his defense was not the problem..
Sean Payton did not take $250k pay cut to get Williams for nothing.

Another reason why some Redskins fans like Williams is he was basically shown the door here after his interview with Ceratto and Snyder. I as many of the Redskins wanted Williams and the remaining Gibbs coaching staff to take over for Gibbs... not bring in Zorn and his staff.

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I thought it was funny to hear Tom Jackson talk about how the Saints took the long ball away from the Colts by playing the safety 20-25 yards off the line. He said he'd never seen a safety play that far back before. I guess he didn't see how Williams played Sean Taylor when he was here.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;661926]So I suppose you'd think the same about Sean Taylor...he isn't with us anymore so go screw???

Williams was pretty beat up about the whole tragedy two years ago so to see him come from those extreme depths to the high of Super Bowl Champion is great for him and I'm glad to see it.

He went as far as taking upon himself to honor Taylor with a ten man alignment to start the Buffalo game. I have no problem saluting a move that like and also no problem saluting this personal achievement from adversity.

It also must be moving for him to see Sharper have such a standout season under his tutelage. Williams has come a long way and if that is something you can't respect or reflect upon then let me be the first to tell you...go screw.[/quote]

i have a different respect for people who put on the burgundy and gold if you had read the whole post you might have realized that, as far as a coach who did a pretty good job as a d cordinator here i honestly don't care. he never won us anything and he had a ton of talent that other teams aren't so lucky to have. i'm not saying he waasn't a good coach but honestly i could care less that he now has a ring

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[quote=SmootSmack;661884]I'm not sure you're addressing me, but I never said he doesn't deserve another shot[/quote]

No, not specifically, just a "you" in general. No biggie.

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[quote=mlmdub130;661999]i have a different respect for people who put on the burgundy and gold if you had read the whole post you might have realized that, as far as a coach who did a pretty good job as a d cordinator here i honestly don't care. he never won us anything and he had a ton of talent that other teams aren't so lucky to have. i'm not saying he waasn't a good coach but honestly i could care less that he now has a ring[/quote]

I wonder how many head coaches who ended up winning the big one would be ruled out by this kind of philosophy? Certainly Belichick would be a few Lombardi's lighter if everyone judged him based on his record at Cleveland.

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[quote=dgack;662073]I wonder how many head coaches who ended up winning the big one would be ruled out by this kind of philosophy? Certainly Belichick would be a few Lombardi's lighter if everyone judged him based on his record at Cleveland.[/quote]

don't get me wrong i'm not discounting him as a coach or what he has done it is a great accomplishment to be a d cordinator and win a super bowl, he has had alot of success and i'm sure the best is ahead of him, i would have loved him to stay here in dc as the head coach but he didn't. we have moved on and that fact the he won a super bowl ring has no real effect on me in any way.

if it was aplayer however who was a big part of this organization then i would have different fellings about it for example chris samuels or london fletcher

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[quote=mlmdub130;662083]don't get me wrong i'm not discounting him as a coach or what he has done it is a great accomplishment to be a d cordinator and win a super bowl, he has had alot of success and i'm sure the best is ahead of him, i would have loved him to stay here in dc as the head coach but he didn't. we have moved on and that fact the he won a super bowl ring has no real effect on me in any way.

if it was aplayer however who was a big part of this organization then i would have different fellings about it for example chris samuels [B]or london fletcher[/B][/quote]

Are you aware that the only reason that Fletcher is a Redskin is because of Williams? He played MLB for him in Buffalo and then came to DC when he was a free agent based on Williams being the D-Coordinator here.

The very guy you esteem wouldn't even being suiting up in a Skins uniform on Sundays if it wasn't for Williams.

I bet you Fletch wishes he could have followed him to New Orleans when Williams left.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;662086]Are you aware that the only reason that Fletcher is a Redskin is because of Williams? He played MLB for him in Buffalo and then came to DC when he was a free agent based on Williams being the D-Coordinator here.

[B]The very guy you esteem wouldn't even being suiting up in a Skins uniform on Sundays if it wasn't for Williams.[/B]

I bet you Fletch wishes he could have followed him to New Orleans.[/quote]

again you bring up the same issue, i have a different respect for anyone who wears the burgundy and gold, while you say williams was a big part of flecther coming here so was vinny cerrato and dan snyder.

again he is a really good d cordinator, but i'm not gonna praise for him winnning a super bowl when he is not a redskins coach, it really doesnh't effect me either way

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[quote=mlmdub130;662087]again you bring up the same issue, [B]i have a different respect for anyone who wears the burgundy and gold[/B], while you say williams was a big part of flecther coming here [B]so was vinny cerrato and dan snyder.[/B]

again he is a really good d cordinator, but i'm not gonna praise for him winnning a super bowl when he is not a redskins coach, it really doesnh't effect me either way[/quote]

Snyderrato had about 0% influence on Fletch becoming a Redskin. He came in here in '07 with the impression that Williams was going to be here longer, in whatever facet, than what he ended up being.

Don't all members of a team receive a ring when they become champions? There is not much of a difference if they wear burgundy, gold or any other color. If you receive a paycheck with the signed name of Dan Snyder on it, then you are apart of the 'burgundy & gold'.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;662086]Are you aware that the only reason that Fletcher is a Redskin is because of Williams? He played MLB for him in Buffalo and then came to DC when he was a free agent based on Williams being the D-Coordinator here.

The very guy you esteem wouldn't even being suiting up in a Skins uniform on Sundays if it wasn't for Williams.

[B]I bet you Fletch wishes he could have followed him to New Orleans when Williams left.[/B][/quote]

Oh man w/o a doubt. I think London's contract was an obstacle as well NO having a pretty solid group of LBs. I was surprised Marcus Washington didn't get signed there as a cheap backup. Supposedly he spent an entire off-season rehabbing and working w/ a specialist to extend his career. I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;662095][B]Snyderrato had about 0% influence on Fletch becoming a Redskin.[/B] He came in here in '07 with the impression that Williams was going to be here longer, in whatever facet, than what he ended up being.

Don't all members of a team receive a ring when they become champions? [B]There is not much of a difference if they wear burgundy, gold [/B]or any other color. [B]If you receive a paycheck with the signed name of Dan Snyder on it, then you are apart of the 'burgundy & gold'[/B].[/quote]

if you honestly think that then i really dont know what to tell you owners and gm's (he didn't have the "title" at the time) have anything to do with players signing to a team then you really don't know how an nfl team is run

i guess i have a different understanding of the game of football than you but i put coaches and players in a different grouping and when i say to wear the burgundy and gold i don't mean a visor, i mean a uinform with pads and a helmet, yeah alot of guys get checks and get rings, but does a trainers ring mean as much as a players ring i think not

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[quote=mlmdub130;662103]if you honestly think that then i really dont know what to tell you owners and gm's (he didn't have the "title" at the time) have anything to do with players signing to a team then you really don't know how an nfl team is run

i guess i have a different understanding of the game of football than you but i put coaches and players in a different grouping and when i say to wear the burgundy and gold i don't mean a visor, i mean a uinform with pads and a helmet, yeah alot of guys get checks and get rings, but does a trainers ring mean as much as a players ring i think not[/quote]

So Joe Gibbs can go screw right? Or do you have a separate respect for Monk than you do Gibbs.

Gibbs never put on the burgundy and gold so he's not as deserving of the 3 Super Bowls as the players are...yeah right...that thinking is fundamentally flawed.

Simple point is that Snyderatto or not, Fletch is never a Redskin in 2007 if Gregg Williams is not apart of the Redskins organization. That to me is 100% influence. I'd even go as far as saying that he wouldn't have been a Redskin if he miraculously knew beforehand that Williams would be let go that season.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;662104][B]So Joe Gibbs can go screw right? Or do you have a separate respect for Monk than you do Gibbs.[/B]
[B]Gibbs never put on the burgundy and gold so he's not as deserving of the 3 Super Bowls [/B]as the players are...yeah right...that thinking is fundamentally flawed.

Simple point is that Snyderatto or not, Fletch is never a Redskin in 2007 if Gregg Williams is not apart of the Redskins organization. That to me is 100% influence. I'd even go as far as saying that he wouldn't have been a Redskin if he miraculously knew beforehand that Williams would be let go that season.[/quote]

you got me all wrong from jump street, check it back from my first post, you keep taking one line from each post and trying to twist it. my whole thing is this, if a coach takes us to the promised land or even takes us to a playoff win then that is great and they are a great redksins coach imo, if they don't win a championship and have never worn a redksins uniform and they then move on and win somewhere else i could honetsly care less. unless it is a player who gave us his all, because i consider players and coaches two different breeds and if you don't i really don't know what to tell you because caoching and playing couldn't be more of polar opposites, but thats just my opinion keep spining it however you like