Wonder how Rothlisberger would have looked in Burgundy?
 

I know, I know, it's a totally different situation and Sean Taylor can be a great player, but right now it looks like the Steelers got the steal of the draft and we have a kid with great potential but a lot of baggage. As it looks now, had we taken Big Ben and not given up picks and a ton of cash to sign Brunell I can't help to think we'd be in no worse position and at least we'd have a franchise QB. Here's hoping Sean can straighten up and fly right.

Hate to sound like an ass, but we can wonder as much as we want but fact is.....we are what we are. This is like the 3rd thread about Roethlisburger, and I really don't see the point in "wondering" how good we would be with him. Accept the fact that we are not that good and stick with your team. I don't even know how many of us on this site are "real" fans. All I see is negative posts about Gibbs. It's just not right, and I'm sick and tired of it.


Sorry guys, but I had to say what I felt. This isn't towards you either Redwagonsksins, so please don't take this personal.

I liked Big Ben a lot coming out of college, and felt pitt. defiently got a steal in the draft, but I still maintain no one would be singing his praises if we were the one's who drafted him, he wouldn't see the field for 2 year's, I would also say that I would take Ramsey, and Taylor over BR any day.

just a really frustrating season

Relax Redskins P, I thought this was a forum where fans could discuss stuff even in the hypothetical. In no way am I inditing Gibbs; he's the best thing to happen to this team in years. If you don't want to discuss the topic then move on. I understand your frustration but part of the fun of sports is talking about what could have been. Just like the whole Vick vs. Tomlinson discussion here in SD, or the Babe Ruth trade in 1918 it's just something fans talk about. Ben could flop next week against the Eagles and a lot of people will be jumping off the bandwagon.
By the way, just because you don't agree with some decisions made by the team doesn't mean you are any less a fan. Following someone blindly is just plain stupid; you should always question decisions, especially if the team is 2-5.

A lot better than Taylor looks in the drunk tank.

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]Relax Redskins P, I thought this was a forum where fans could discuss stuff even in the hypothetical. In no way am I inditing Gibbs; he's the best thing to happen to this team in years. If you don't want to discuss the topic then move on. I understand your frustration but part of the fun of sports is talking about what could have been. Just like the whole Vick vs. Tomlinson discussion here in SD, or the Babe Ruth trade in 1918 it's just something fans talk about. Ben could flop next week against the Eagles and a lot of people will be jumping off the bandwagon.
By the way, just because you don't agree with some decisions made by the team doesn't mean you are any less a fan. Following someone blindly is just plain stupid; you should always question decisions, especially if the team is 2-5.[/QUOTE]


I hear ya man. Maybe I should've posted this on another thread. Like I said my post wasn't pointed towards you. I just see a lot of Gibbs bashing here. And all these "what ifs" threads seem pointless to me.

Sorry man.....didn't mean to shit your thread.

Now worries. Frustrating season but we can't just sit back and read about people S*****g on Gibbs in every thread. Sometimes it's fun to move the topics into less controversial and hypothetical subjects

I will try to say this with the least attacking tone I possibly can ( if I am unsuccessful i apologize). This is a super mega-retarded discussion. No one ever mentioned drafting a QB even before we had Brunell so we would never have even thought of it. I seem to remember everyone lamenting how bad our DL would be and how we needed a Lineman...never anything about a QB. We could sit here and do what ifs forever...how about this...what if Gibbs never retired and we didn't suck and we so didn't draft Heath Shuler and then we didn't suck some more and then because of that we drafted every good player that has been in the league and then what if...sounds dumb doesn't it? Any discussion of what if we drafted whoever (execpt for maybe Winslow) is dumb and pointless.

I said in another Rothlisberger thread shoulda, woulda, coulda, who cares.

It's easy to second guess moves after the fact. The Steelers got a heck of a QB no doubt, I give them their props. I don't regret the Taylor pick at all. The chances of us taking Rothlisberger were slim to none anyway, QB wasn't high on the list of priorities, especially not when Gibbs is well known for liking veteran QB's.

I really don't care to dream about what could have been, but don't let me get in the way.

Forget it. Let's just keep talking about how Brunell sucks, the game has passed Gibbs by and the refs keep stealing wins.

Um...we never would have taken BR. The whole point of signing Brunell was that Gibbs didn't want to roll with a rookie QB. If he *had* been willing to do so, he would have stuck with Ramsey. In either case, no BR.

I thin we should discuss something positive...

Personally I felt like we finally had some semblance of an offense in the second half yesterday. Of course GB has kicked it into "don't lose" mode and wsn't blitzing much but even when they were we seemed a bit more cohessive. Of course Williams adapted beautifully and our D picked it up big time in the 2nd Quarter on. I think if we play that way against everyone else this eyar we are 5-2 maybe. Hopefully we're picking it up.

And what if the Skins drafted...anyone they didn't draft........It's totally irrelevant.
There is no guarantee that he would be performing the same way for another team, and there is no point in even wondering about it. I'm still glad we picked Taylor (for now ;) ), but if we had picked Winslow, would he be injured? Would Taylor have gotten a DUI? Nope....No one knows what would have happened, so why bother even discussing it...

I said forget it. You can all stop piling on already. One of the interesting things about history is looking back at a series of events and evaluating alternative consequences. What if the US had lost Midway, the French had not aided the American revolutionaries, or Bill Buckner had not flubbed a roler up to first? There is value on looking back at decisions such as: when you have a top ten pick do you take the best player available or the best player to fill a need. That's all. Once again, forget I brought it up and keep on rolling with the everybody sucks threads...

To answer your question, a whole heck of a lot better than Gibbs on the sideline.

redwagon, I think people got a little frustrated with this thread because for one thing it's the third or fourth saying the same thing. And secondly, once you start playing the "what if" game it inevitably has a snowball effect. What if we drafted Roethlisberger, what if Spurrier was still coach, what if Marty was still coach, what if Shuler and Westbrook lived up to their draft status, what if Joe Theismann hadn't been picked off by Jack Squirek.

It could go on and on

I don't want to sound like the band leader here, but I started this whole discussion 2 weeks ago & after watching Big Ben play against that NE D, I'm convinced that he's going to be one great QB for years to come.

Big Ben looked very confortable yesterday moving out of the pocket, stepping forward to elude the pressure, & checking off to his 3rd option.

This kid would have been great in DC..!! :iamwithst

I'll play along, I think Big Ben would look quite striking in burgundy and gold. Much better than black and yellow, red is more his color, it brings out his eyes.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'll play along, I think Big Ben would look quite striking in burgundy and gold. Much better than black and yellow, red is more his color, it brings out his eyes.[/QUOTE]

that's the best answer I've heard

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'll play along, I think Big Ben would look quite striking in burgundy and gold. Much better than black and yellow, red is more his color, it brings out his eyes.[/QUOTE]
:lol:

What if Ramsey were in? What if Brunell didn't give up 5 defensive TD's? What if Taylor had played? What if Gibbs had used the clock better? What if, what if... If you think we don't "what if" in every thread then you need to reevaluate what is being written. If you don't want to play along, then like I said before, move on the to the standard "Fire Gibbs" and "Bench Brunell" threads. If you think that Big Ben's eyes would be highlighted by his Burgundy uniform, then I applaud your valuable insight ;)

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]What if Ramsey were in? What if Brunell didn't give up 5 defensive TD's? What if Taylor had played? What if Gibbs had used the clock better? What if, what if... If you think we don't "what if" in every thread then you need to reevaluate what is being written. If you don't want to play along, then like I said before, move on the to the standard "Fire Gibbs" and "Bench Brunell" threads. If you think that Big Ben's eyes would be highlighted by his Burgundy uniform, then I applaud your valuable insight ;)[/QUOTE]
You do have a point, if it wasn't for our brilliant what if analysis what else would there be to talk about? Point taken redwagonskins.

We should look foward not backwards...what are we going to do to beat the usually hapless until just recently Lions?

People have to understand something about Big Ben in Pitt, he got drafted by an orginazation that did not have a coaching turnover in the past 12 years. Which means that he was placed in an already established system. Look a Carson Palmer for example, he might as well be a rookie, but he is in a system that is only 2 years old. I mean Marvin Lewis is a good coach but he himself is still trying to find what will work and what wont.

Would Big Ben be just a good for the redskins as he is for the steelers? I dont know, but I would have to think that he would have his struggles for us being that our system is pretty much just starting. With Gibbs working to figure out what we need to do and what will work Big Ben probably would have some troubles along the way. But then again maybe not. Who knows???

i agree... big ben was set up to succeed... the steelers weren't that bad last year (most good QBs go to 4 win teams), they have a good running game, great receivers, a very solid Oline (ours isn't nearly as good), and decent defense and special teams... they also have system stability (12 years) and he had the coach's full confidence... They put him in a position to win without having to be godlike... but his 70.1% completions and 104 passer rating means that he's still a lot better than anyone really expected.

I agree that he does have talent, but he was put in a position to win which, IMO means that he can use his talent to move the ball and not to make up for other parts of the offense, such as a running game or what not. But by all means he does have a boat load of talent when it comes to a QB.

[QUOTE=redwagonskins]I know, I know, it's a totally different situation and Sean Taylor can be a great player, but right now it looks like the Steelers got the steal of the draft and we have a kid with great potential but a lot of baggage. As it looks now, had we taken Big Ben and not given up picks and a ton of cash to sign Brunell I can't help to think we'd be in no worse position and at least we'd have a franchise QB. Here's hoping Sean can straighten up and fly right.[/QUOTE]


who cares, we didnt draft him

I know exactly how hed look. Just like Ramsey. On the sidlelines....

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I know exactly how hed look. Just like Ramsey. On the sidlelines....[/QUOTE]
don't forget holding a clipboard, with a headset on, striking a pose in B&G!

Exactly. That's what I'm getting at. Like Mike Ditka said today, you never know what you have until they get on the field. And ask Kordell Stewert if he was set up to succeed. Same system but a failure. I am glad Jacobs is being added to the playbook to see what he's got and it seems that he can add a lot to this team. We had no problem plugging Cooley and Taylor in as rookies with a totally new system. My feeling is that there is something going on with Ramsey in Gibbs' eyes. Many guys have already posted that he has an affinity for vets (disproven by two starting rookies) and an even greater affinity for vet QB's. However, now it appears that if he had the rookie Dan Marino (or Big Ben, though a whole season has yet to pass) he'd be riding the pine. So what is it: is Gibbs so hardheaded that he refuses to play Ramsey because he is young OR is Gibbs allowing himself to take the heat for not playing Ramsey because he sees something (lack of confidence, gun-shy) and doesn't want to sell the kid out (or prefers to maintain his trade value)?