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saw this on the news this morning and i think it is wrong on so many levels. i don't understand how these were even allowed, i would be outraged if they were in my town. i don't see how anyone in their right mind could think these ad's were done tastefully, there are much better ways to go about the pro-life, pro-choice debate. i thought the commercial during the super bowl was done with a lot more class and respect than these things.

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/us/06abortion.html]Anti-Abortion Billboards on Race Split Opinion in Atlanta - NYTimes.com[/url]

for the record i am pro-choice

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Tebow had his ad why not them? I mean, both ads convey the same message and both ads are misleading...let them have their crappy ads because ultimately people choose what's right for them not what a billboard tells them, and if they don't that's their problem.

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Why is it that men, who have the most to say about abortion it seems, have so much to say about what a woman should do with her own body?

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12th, quit trying to reason with people that cant be reasoned with. and good morning

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A snowy good morning (afternoon now!) to you, dmek.

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Among other things, those billboards trivialize the notion of "endangered species." There really are species which may soon disappear forever, and calling African-American kids an "endangered species" simply diminishes the concernt hat we should have for the truly endangered.

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[quote=Lotus;662209]Among other things, those billboards trivialize the notion of "endangered species." There really are species which may soon disappear forever, and calling African-American kids an "[SIZE=4]endangered species" simply diminishes the concernt hat we should have for the truly endangered[/SIZE].[/quote]

Are you for real? Your saying people will now care less about endangered animals because of this add. OK!

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[quote=saden1;662190]Tebow had his ad why not them? I mean, both ads convey the same message and both ads are misleading...let them have their crappy ads because ultimately people choose what's right for them not what a billboard tells them, and if they don't that's their problem.[/quote]
What's misleading about the add?

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[quote=12thMan;662195]Why is it that men, who have the most to say about abortion it seems, have so much to say about what a woman should do with her own body?[/quote]


well since it takes a male and a female to have a child, the male should have just as much right as the female when it comes to deciding wether or not to have an abortion.

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[quote=12thMan;662195]Why is it that men, who have the most to say about abortion it seems, have so much to say about what a woman should do with her own body?[/quote]
All the people named in that article were women so I'm not sure how that applies here. I know that's a famous line from the left but is there any point when its not ok for a women to do as she wants?

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[quote=12thMan;662195]Why is it that men, who have the most to say about abortion it seems, have so much to say about what a woman should do with her own body?[/quote]It all boils down to what one believes, is the fetus just a lump of cells, not any different than a gall bladder, liver or finger, or is it a human life at conception. Those that believe it's a human life at conception believe it's no longer just the woman's body. They believe the woman has no right to murder the unborn child any more than she would have to murder a one day old child.

And there are many, many women on the pro-life side that hold the belief of life beginning at conception.

Very complex, very emotional issue. One that I'm sure will not be resolved to one side or the other's satisfaction in our lifetimes.

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[quote=firstdown;662220]What's misleading about the add?[/quote]

How about the notion of Tebow being a "miracle baby?" If you cut through facad you realize all the ad is saying is "don't do abortion, you might hit the jackpot like me and birth a baller." Of course, what it doesn't tell you is that the chance of your baby being a baller is statistically improbable and that there's a better chance that he might become a perennial criminal.

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[quote=saden1;662234]How about the notion of Tebow being a "miracle baby?" If you cut through facad you realize all the ad is saying is "don't do abortion, you might hit the jackpot like me and birth a baller." Of course, what it doesn't tell you is that the chance of your baby being a baller is statistically improbable and that there's a better chance that he might become a perennial criminal.[/quote]Are we talking NCAA (yes) or NFL (highly doubtful) baller? :)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;662235]Are we talking NCAA (yes) or NFL (highly doubtful) baller? :)[/quote]

Any NCAA player able to make it to the NFL. How hard can you be ballin' if you can't make it to the next level? I am afraid there's no such thing as second place baller.

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[quote=saden1;662239]Any NCAA player able to make it to the NFL. How hard can you be ballin' if you can't make it to the next level? I am afraid there's no such thing as second place baller.[/quote]True. One is certainly ballin' if he's gonna get paid 7 figures (I'm just hoping it isn't with a check signed by Snyder).

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[quote=saden1;662234]How about the notion of Tebow being a "miracle baby?" If you cut through facad you realize all the ad is saying is "don't do abortion, you might hit the jackpot like me and birth a baller." Of course, what it doesn't tell you is that the chance of your baby being a baller is statistically improbable and that there's a better chance that he might become a perennial criminal.[/quote]
Have you ever thought that "miracle baby" is probably talking about her severe complications that arose durn pregnancy. So do you support abortion because the chances of that fetus becomes a baller are small and you think we are wiping out more potential criminals?

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[quote=firstdown;662242]Have you ever thought that "miracle baby" is probably talking about her severe complications that arose durn pregnancy. So do you support abortion because the chances of that fetus becomes a baller are small and you think we are wiping out more potential criminals?[/quote]
Nice First . Maybe the Feds will " fix " everyone with a criminal record as to reduce future crime . And maybe free Gatorade and vitamins for athletes so we will ensure healthier and longer lasting athletes .

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[quote=firstdown;662219]Are you for real? Your saying people will now care less about endangered animals because of this add. OK![/quote]

Yes, I am for real. Mis-using the phrase "endangered species" by putting it in a context in which it does not belong trivializes the concept. This is pretty straightforward.

Those billboards are high in scare factor, low in legitimate information.

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[quote=Lotus;662249]Yes, I am for real. Mis-using the phrase "endangered species" by putting it in a context in which it does not belong trivializes the concept. This is pretty straightforward.

Those billboards are high in scare factor, low in legitimate information.[/quote]
I guess the polar bears better go hide after these things go up.

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[quote=firstdown;662242]Have you ever thought that "miracle baby" is probably talking about her severe complications that arose durn pregnancy. So do you support abortion because the chances of that fetus becomes a baller are small and you think we are wiping out more potential criminals?[/quote]

Yes I did, Tebow is a baby who survived complications and went on to do great things...it's a miracle! How miraculous would he be if he was a nobody? How miraculous are all those babies that didn't make it through complications? The reason the whole complications and miracles thing is told is to appeal to us at an emotional level and convince us that abortion is the wrong choice not just in this instance but in all instances...hence "celebrate life, celebrate family."

My decision to support abortion is solely based on affording people the right to choose...whatever that choice may be. Ms. Tebow made the right choice, good for her. Focus on the Family, group behind the ad, doesn't [URL="http://www.focusonthefamily.com/about_us/guiding-principles.aspx"]want people to have a choice[/URL]...they can go fuck themselves.


[quote=firstdown;662242]So do you support abortion because the chances of that fetus becomes a baller are small and you think we are wiping out more potential criminals?[/quote]

That's eugenics, I don't support eugenics.

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[quote=saden1;662281]Yes I did, Tebow is a baby who survived complications and went on to do great things...it's a miracle! How miraculous would he be if he was a nobody? How miraculous are all those babies that didn't make it through complications? The reason the whole complications and miracles thing is told is to appeal to us at an emotional level and convince us that abortion is the wrong choice not just in this instance but in all instances...hence "celebrate life, celebrate family."

[B]My decision to support abortion is solely based on affording people the right to choose...whatever that choice may be[/B]. Ms. Tebow made the right choice, good for her. Focus on the Family, group behind the ad, doesn't [URL="http://www.focusonthefamily.com/about_us/guiding-principles.aspx"]want people to have a choice[/URL]...they can go fuck themselves.




That's eugenics, I don't support eugenics.[/quote]

i copletely agree with you, my main thing was how distastefully done the ad was, to call black children endangered is ridiculious, i consider myself a conservative but i belive there should always be a choice, otherwise you end up with hearing a story like this one [url=http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/273339/18yearold_hides_pregnancy_then_allegedly.html]18-Year-Old Hides Pregnancy, Then Allegedly Throws Newborn Down Trash Chute in Florida While on Vacation - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com[/url]

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The groups responsible insist that they are not exaggerating, despite contrary federal data. The billboards, which show a close-up of a worried-looking African-American boy, are an effort to highlight data showing that black women get a disproportionate number of abortions, especially in Georgia, and that the number in Georgia is increasing.

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The billboards — there are 65 now and will eventually be 80, Ms. Davis said — were created in conjunction with a new Web site, [URL="http://www.toomanyaborted.com"]TOO MANY ABORTED[/URL], which says that all of Georgia’s abortion clinics are in “urban areas where blacks reside.” The Web site connects abortion to segregation, saying that after the civil rights era, racists went “underground,” and that today “abortion is the tool they use to stealthily target blacks for extermination.”[/quote]so racists put up abortion clinics in black areas to make them abort more? ummmmmmmm

how about you know your demographics and locate based on that.. like every other company does? plus no strip mall suburban neighborhood is going to let that clinic come there

I'm personally against abortion but it's better some of those kids don't come up there, endangered species my ass.

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[quote=saden1;662281]Yes I did, Tebow is a baby who survived complications and went on to do great things...it's a miracle! How miraculous would he be if he was a nobody? How miraculous are all those babies that didn't make it through complications? The reason the whole complications and miracles thing is told is to appeal to us at an emotional level and convince us that abortion is the wrong choice not just in this instance but in all instances...hence "celebrate life, celebrate family."

[SIZE=4]My decision to support abortion is solely based on affording people the right to choose...whatever that choice may be[/SIZE]. Ms. Tebow made the right choice, good for her. Focus on the Family, group behind the ad, doesn't [URL="http://www.focusonthefamily.com/about_us/guiding-principles.aspx"]want people to have a choice[/URL]...they can go fuck themselves.




That's eugenics, I don't support eugenics.[/quote]
You have said you are for a one payer health care system and that will not give us a choice so it seems you pick and choose the right of choice.

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Without getting into beliefs, and just relying on logic, I think abortion should be legal only if the rights of the mother were violated first as in the case of rape. I fall on the side of people who believes that at the split-second of conception a baby has a soul. It's these people getting abortions as birth control that make me so f-ing angry.

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[quote=12thMan;662195]Why is it that men, who have the most to say about abortion it seems, have so much to say about what a woman should do with her own body?[/quote]

What about this [url=http://www.parentdish.com/2010/02/10/worlds-second-pregnant-man-expects-baby-boy-this-month/?icid=main|main|dl3|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parentdish.com%2F2010%2F02%2F10%2Fworlds-second-pregnant-man-expects-baby-boy-this-month%2F]man?[/url]

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I don't have a problem with either pro-lifers or pro-rights < womens right to choose > . It does bother me when " womens lib/groups " say a womens responsibilty starts at birth, but a mans starts at conception ? They can't have it both ways and say they are for fairness and equality . If a women can decide at 3 months to oppt out of the birth/raising a child , then how can these groups say a man < assuming he told the women @/3 months > , "I don't want to be a father" , as they say the man has a financial obligation to raise the kid ? Me , I would raise the kid , but that would be my choice as I wouldn't want a kid to not have a father , nor could I let another man raise my offspring < should she marry later > .

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[quote=SmootSmack;662636]What about this [URL="http://www.parentdish.com/2010/02/10/worlds-second-pregnant-man-expects-baby-boy-this-month/?icid=main|main|dl3|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parentdish.com%2F2010%2F02%2F10%2Fworlds-second-pregnant-man-expects-baby-boy-this-month%2F"]man?[/URL][/quote]
Typical Eagles fan ?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;662434]Without getting into beliefs, and just relying on logic, [B]I think abortion should be legal only if the rights of the mother were violated first as in the case of rape[/B]. I fall on the side of people who believes that at the split-second of conception a baby has a soul. [B]It's these people getting abortions as birth control that make me so f-ing angry[/B].[/quote]

thats the main reason i think people should get them, but i have never been in that position either

it really is a shame that some people do actually use it as birth control, they really need to focus on teaching kids about sex and children a lot earlier, like 12 to 13. i know alot of parents don't wanna hear it but facts are facts and kids are getting sexually active younger and younger. girls even get their frist visit from aunt flow as early as 10 to 11 thats just nuts

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I think abortion is really about Americans being too spoiled for their own damned good. In Turd world nations they have as many kids as they can. They do so because so many children die. This used to be the case in the US too.

Abortion isn't really one of my issues, but to say without abortion there is no choice is wrong. To fornicate is a choice and it costs nothing except a cold shower. Besides, there are rubbers and ever other type of pill these days too. [U]People just want to screw without consequences.[/U]

It isn't about choice and it never has been. Abortion is about liquidating those who socialist / fascist / leftist / commie (insert Progressive) assholes think are unfit, before they can grow up and be wards of the state.

" Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of. " Ruth Bader Ginsberg

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;662653]It isn't about choice and it never has been. Abortion is about liquidating those who socialist / fascist / leftist / commie (insert Progressive) assholes think are unfit, before they can grow up and be wards of the state.

[/quote]

With you slipping through we're obviously not doing a good job.

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[quote=firstdown;662428]You have said you are for a one payer health care system and that will not give us a choice so it seems you pick and choose the right of choice.[/quote]

Saden I guess you don't want to reply to this because your choice thing does not hold water.

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[quote=firstdown;662734]Saden I guess you don't want to reply to this because your choice thing does not hold water.[/quote]

I choose single payer for selfish reasons...I believe it saves me money in the long run..I'm worried about my bottom dollar...some skank aborting her baby doesnt impact my pocket.

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[quote=saden1;662737]I choose single payer for selfish reasons...I believe it saves me money in the long run..I'm worried about my bottom dollar...some skank aborting her baby doesnt impact my pocket.[/quote]

So when its all said and done you only believe in choice when in benifits you.

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[quote=saden1;662737]I choose single payer for selfish reasons...I believe it saves me money in the long run..I'm worried about my bottom dollar...some skank aborting her baby doesnt impact my pocket.[/quote]

It's interesting that you care so little about a baby whose birth is foreseeable in the short term - less than 9 months. But when the discussion on the end of the world was going on, you stated that the death of those in the far distant future should be a frightening prospect to us now.

But the skank who has an abortion, and the baby that would have been, don't get that same heart ache response.
[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/29563-life-after-people-history-channel-3.html#post553394"]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/29563-life-after-people-history-channel-3.html#post553394[/URL]
[quote]Suppose I tell you that 90% of Americans will die of a mutated swine flu a month from now. Would this new found knowledge frighten you? My hearth aches at the thought and I can't help it. This is a normal and expected reaction. Indifference which is essential your position is not acceptable. If we all die off tomorrow, a month, a year, millions of years, or billions of years from now it's all the same. The grim demise of mankind and even the universe at large should be a frighting prospect irrespective of timetable or and lack of control.
...[/quote]
Almost 1 million babies a year are not born due to abortions, granted that's not 90%, but the abortion to live birth ratio, as of 2001, was 246 abortions for every 1000 live births, [URL="http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics"]us_abortion_statistics[/URL], certainly not a number to be discounted.

I googled, and used those statistics, looks like a pro-life site, so they are probably skewed high, but the point is valid if the number is ballparked

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;662746]It's interesting that you care so little about a baby whose birth is foreseeable in the short term - less than 9 months. But when the discussion on the end of the world was going on, you stated that the death of those in the far distant future should be a frightening prospect to us now.

But the skank who has an abortion, and the baby that would have been, don't get that same heart ache response.
[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/29563-life-after-people-history-channel-3.html#post553394"]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/29563-life-after-people-history-channel-3.html#post553394[/URL]

Almost 1 million babies a year are not born due to abortions, granted that's not 90%, but the abortion to live birth ratio, as of 2001, was 246 abortions for every 1000 live births, [URL="http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics"]us_abortion_statistics[/URL], certainly not a number to be discounted.

I googled, and used those statistics, looks like a pro-life site, so they are probably skewed high, but the point is valid if the number is ballparked[/quote]

Don't bother. He thinks he's better than everyone else.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;662753]Don't bother. He thinks he's better than everyone else.[/quote]

I know but the stark contrast was interesting to me.

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[quote=mlmdub130;662160]saw this on the news this morning and i think it is wrong on so many levels. i don't understand how these were even allowed, i would be outraged if they were in my town. i don't see how anyone in their right mind could think these ad's were done tastefully, there are much better ways to go about the pro-life, pro-choice debate. i thought the commercial during the super bowl was done with a lot more class and respect than these things.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/us/06abortion.html"]Anti-Abortion Billboards on Race Split Opinion in Atlanta - NYTimes.com[/URL]

for the record i am pro-abortion[/quote]

Like in the Campbell thread, the stats don't lie. It's a tragedy that we can't talk about because of the PC-Police, but it could be helped with some education about it. Like it or not, there are some severe family issues in the black community. Abortions ARE sky high. So is the percentage of fatherless kids who are allowed to live. The welfare budgets do go primarily to urban areas too, where the crime rates are rising due to..guess what, the breakdown of the nuclear family with both a father and mother.

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I think that they say 72pct of black kids are born out of wedlock; I don't think that marriage is absolutely necessary to display commitment or have children, but it's a telling statistic overall compared to whites at 28pct and latinas are a bit high at 51pct as well.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;662746]It's interesting that you care so little about a baby whose birth is foreseeable in the short term - less than 9 months. But when the discussion on the end of the world was going on, you stated that the death of those in the far distant future should be a frightening prospect to us now.

But the skank who has an abortion, and the baby that would have been, don't get that same heart ache response.
[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/29563-life-after-people-history-channel-3.html#post553394[/URL]

Almost 1 million babies a year are not born due to abortions, [B]granted that's not 90%, but the abortion to live birth ratio, as of 2001, was 246 abortions for every 1000 live births, [URL="http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics"]us_abortion_statistics[/URL], certainly not a number to be discounted.[/B]

I googled, and used those statistics, looks like a pro-life site, so they are probably skewed high, but the point is valid if the number is ballparked[/quote]

[LIST=1][*]If you're going to cite statistics [URL="http://www.cdc.gov/mmWR/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5407a1.htm"]why not just go with the CDC[/URL]?[*]By your admission ("granted it's not 90%") you can not compare the death of 90% of Americans and the near extinction of human population to a few million abortions.[*]If I have to worry about the death of bunch of cells (that's what a fetus is for the first 4 months, I mean it can't think, it can't talk, it's an attachment to a woman's body that can't do anything) I'd be depressed about all the spermicide I've been committing all these years.[/LIST]
TTL, it's not that I think I'm better than everyone else, it's just that I think you people half-ass everything. With you being at the top of the leader-board of course.

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[quote=firstdown;662745]So when its all said and done you only believe in choice when in benifits you.[/quote]

That's one factor in many. Obviously if someone comes to me with firstdown's stolen boat and tries to sell it to me I'll choose to let you know your boat has been stolen. My choice is based on my moral compass.