Safety Options - Sharper, Rolle (maybe)
 

Well it appears that the Saints are not going to tag Sharper, and there are rumors of the Cardinals possibly releasing Rolle. I think either of them would be worth signing up. Sharper for the right price, and if Rolle becomes available...I wouldn't mind paying him to be our FS and move Landry SS.

[url=http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/74517]azcentral.com blogs - Kent Somers - KentSomers - Anticipating first-quarter losses[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4937036]Source: New Orleans Saints won't place franchise tag on Darren Sharper - ESPN[/url]

Oh and please save the "we need to get young" comments for the offensive line. We have a lot of youth in our defensive backs unit, and could use some veteran leadership (i.e. Sharper).

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Can't believe the Saints wouldn't lock up Sharper for one more year. That non-tag surprised me.

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I know Ruhskins is throwing out the idea because these players may be available, but I really am surprised in general at the no. of people on this site that seem to think safety is a position we need to address.

I like the unit we have & I think K. Moore will earn more time this year. Landry has had his problems, but still has great upside.

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I would go with Rolle. He is younger than Sharper with more upside. I also believe Sharper is going to make a sweetheart deal to stay in New Orleans.

Another option linked to maybe going to the Skins is Donte Whittner of the Bills.

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[quote=freddyg12;665183]I know Ruhskins is throwing out the idea because these players may be available, but I really am surprised in general at the no. of people on this site that seem to think safety is a position we need to address.

I like the unit we have & [B]I think K. Moore will earn more time this year.[/B] Landry has had his problems, but still has great upside.[/quote]

I would love to see that. It should be interesting with new coaches this year to see who is given a chance. We tried Jeremiah Trotter at MLB instead of giving our own Antonio Pierce a shot until Gibbs and GWilliams got here.

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Looks like Vinny's big seventh round pick of Horton is really panning out. I think the gu ywas a flash i nthe pan be surprised if he does anything this year.

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Horton is a SS like Laron, what the team is lacking is a true FS. Keep CH and LL close to the line of scrimage is their strengths, but both can be a liability in coverage.

I wouldn't mind picking up Rolle, but not breaking the bank for him.

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Get Kim Kardashian to play safety.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;665210]Get Kim Kardashian to play safety.[/quote]

I see her playing center.

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[quote=53Fan;665213]I see her playing center.[/quote]

Why do you say that?

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If safety has been identified as a need position, Rolle would be a good addition depending on what it would take to sign him. On this team he could be a fit at his natural position and put a stop to the buzz going on in Landry's head.

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[quote=Longtimefan;665221]If safety has been identified as a need position, Rolle would be a good addition depending on what it would take to sign him. On this team he could be a fit at his natural position and put a stop to the buzz going on in Landry's head.[/quote]

Assuming he's granted a clean release. By the way what is the deal with cutting ties with RFA? Do they go through the waiver system like the regular season or what?

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[quote=53Fan;665213]I see her playing center.[/quote]

Thus giving a new outlook to the phrase "getting up under the center" ;)

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[quote=53Fan;665213]I see her playing center.[/quote]

I would love to be the QB!!! Down, set, say AAHHH!!!

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Rolle would be ideal if he's cut.

Let's throw money at good players like this (Dansby, Peppers, Rolle) since we're going to have the uncapped year. Who care's? It's Danny's money. And I know our defense isn't the problem but these guys are good if not great players and since when is it a crime to improve your team? This would allow us to use our draft picks (which we have too few) to sure up our offense.

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;665234]Rolle would be ideal if he's cut.

Let's throw money at good players like this (Dansby, Peppers, Rolle) since we're going to have the uncapped year. Who care's? It's Danny's money. And I know our defense isn't the problem but these guys are good if not great players and since when is it a crime to improve your team? This would allow us to use our draft picks (which we have too few) to sure up our offense.[/quote]

But like I asked before. What is the rule on untendered and released RFA? Do they hit waivers or become part of the free agent pool. I'd be tempted to get him, though Los comments about Landry make me wonder if we'd be better off putting Laron back at FS and look for a low cost backup at FS (Ryan Clark anyone?)

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I'd take Rolle, just because he's younger and because I don't see Sharper coming here

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[quote=Dirtbag359;665236]But like I asked before. What is the rule on untendered and released RFA? Do they hit waivers or become part of the free agent pool. I'd be tempted to get him, though Los comments about Landry make me wonder if we'd be better off putting Laron back at FS and look for a low cost backup at FS (Ryan Clark anyone?)[/quote]

As I understand it and I could be wrong (hoge and wingo were talking about it on NFL live last night but I was falling asleep), if a restricted FA is released then they're a FA. AZ could try to resign him to a long-term contract but I'd bet he'd want to hit the open market.

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;665249]As I understand it and I could be wrong (hoge and wingo were talking about it on NFL live last night but I was falling asleep), if a restricted FA is released then they're a FA. AZ could try to resign him to a long-term contract but I'd bet he'd want to hit the open market.[/quote]

Yup. To keep a RFA, you tender him. If you cut him, he becomes a UFA.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;665236]But like I asked before. What is the rule on untendered and released RFA? Do they hit waivers or become part of the free agent pool. I'd be tempted to get him, though Los comments about Landry make me wonder if we'd be better off putting Laron back at FS and look for a low cost backup at FS (Ryan Clark anyone?)[/quote]

I really don't know how the waiver works in the offseason, I do know that teams would have to pick up the player's original contract...so maybe teams will let Rolle pass so they can get a shot at him as a UFA?

Clark could be an option, but Schefter thinks the Steelers are going to find a way to keep him (transition tag maybe?).

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4919084&name=schefter_adam]Top 5 potential free agents -- Adam Schefter -- NFL - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;665249]As I understand it and I could be wrong (hoge and wingo were talking about it on NFL live last night but I was falling asleep), if a restricted FA is released then they're a FA. AZ could try to resign him to a long-term contract but I'd bet he'd want to hit the open market.[/quote]

Awesome, all I needed to know. Personally I'm hoping that the Packers add Daryn Colledge to the list of UFA's.

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[quote=Mattyk;665177]Can't believe the Saints wouldn't lock up Sharper for one more year. That non-tag surprised me.[/quote]

Same here. I think that's GW's blessing and his curse. He thinks he'll get the same performance out of his system and not a single player.

Got news for the Saints. He was your best defensive playmaker and you can bet on losing 1-2 games JUST because he's not there anymore.

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Sharper will stay in N.O.. Rolle will play in Miami. I think we should stick with LL and Horton, when they both started together there was little problems. When Horton got injured we started getting burned.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;665223]Assuming he's granted a clean release. By the way what is the deal with cutting ties with RFA? Do they go through the waiver system like the regular season or what?[/quote]

He will require compensation from any teams that signs him depending on his tender. Now, if his team does not tender him and just outright releases him, I'm not so sure of the consequences. Someone has to help me with that one.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;665292]Sharper will stay in N.O.. Rolle will play in Miami. I think we should stick with LL and Horton, when they both started together there was little problems. When Horton got injured we started getting burned.[/quote]

Both LL and Horton seem to be natural SS from what I understand. The advantage of getting a guy like Sharper or Rolle would be to move Landry to SS.

Honestly, defense is the only place that you are going to see any marquee players (Dansby, Rolle, Peppers, and Sharper) in unrestricted free agency. I don't think there are any marquee UFAs that would help our team. I don't mind us taking one or two of these players (except Peppers) to strengthen our defense.

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[quote=Longtimefan;665312]He will require compensation from any teams that signs him depending on his tender. Now, if his team does not tender him and just outright releases him, I'm not so sure of the consequences. Someone has to help me with that one.[/quote]

With an outright release, a RFA becomes an UFA, pure and simple.

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If Rolle is clean-free; I definitely would try to sign him.. By having Rolle, obviously would allow us to move Landry to SS.. As for Sharper, he would be nice but I highly doubt Saints would let him go (unless GW believes he can find a replacement, like always)..

As for those people who wants Moore to start as FS; I would not oppose to this move, although I think we would need to add good competitions.. We can't expect Moore to excel as good player when he was riding the bench for last two years.. Good competitions means Rolle, or Whitner (a possibility?) or whoever else we can get thr FA or draft..

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[quote=GridIron26;665390]If Rolle is clean-free; I definitely would try to sign him.. By having Rolle, obviously would allow us to move Landry to SS.. As for Sharper, he would be nice but I highly doubt Saints would let him go (unless GW believes he can find a replacement, like always)..

As for those people who wants Moore to start as FS; I would not oppose to this move, although I think we would need to add good competitions.. We can't expect Moore to excel as good player when he was riding the bench for last two years.. Good competitions means Rolle, or Whitner (a possibility?) or whoever else we can get thr FA or draft..[/quote]

Sharper will be allowed to test the market. It all depends if he wants a multi-year deal or a one-year deal with a lot money (which given the uncapped year, it would be feasible by just about any team).

If Rolle would be released, there would be no strings attached, he would be an unrestricted FA. I can see a multi-year deal with Rolle. If Rolle is a viable option though, I wonder if the team would rather have him or Dansby (who will probably want a multi-year deal).

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[quote=Ruhskins;665402]Sharper will be allowed to test the market. It all depends if he wants a multi-year deal or a one-year deal with a lot money (which given the uncapped year, it would be feasible by just about any team).

If Rolle would be released, there would be no strings attached, he would be an unrestricted FA. I can see a multi-year deal with Rolle. If Rolle is a viable option though, I wonder if the team would rather have him or Dansby (who will probably want a multi-year deal).[/quote]

Yup, even Sharper believes so too.. I'm surprised by that move, although I assume it's only because GW believes he can find a replacement.. Or maybe Saints are eyeing for a rookie through draft? Or GW have an idea of moving Jenkins to FS?

Good question, I guess it depends on what Haslett thinks which is more important.. After all, we need a player for each position.. It depends on draft too - whether if there's a FS or LB in draft Haslett would like to draft.. I wouldn't know which to want if I was Haslett, granted I don't know that much about Rolle or Dansby.. But either player would be good pick-up..

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So...the Saints are letting their FS go. Now they need one. Their defensive coordinator was once here and was vital in drafting Laron Landry. Saints are reportedly shopping their LTs (Brown and Bushrod). We need a LT...

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[quote=SmootSmack;665497]So...the Saints are letting their FS go. Now they need one. Their defensive coordinator was once here and was vital in drafting Laron Landry. Saints are reportedly shopping their LTs (Brown and Bushrod). We need a LT...[/quote]

Soooo, what's your point?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;665498]Soooo, what's your point?[/quote]

Just thinking out loud that if they need a FS and we are looking to trade one and they are looking to trade an LT and we need one. Maybe something could happen?

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[quote=SmootSmack;665501]Just thinking out loud that if they need a FS and we are looking to trade one and they are looking to trade an LT and we need one. Maybe something could happen?[/quote]

That makes way too much sense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;665501]Just thinking out loud that if they need a FS and we are looking to trade one and they are looking to trade an LT and we need one. Maybe something could happen?[/quote]

Are you sure they're looking to trade a LT? Who's going to protect Brees? It must be nice to have enough LT's to be able to trade one..........oops sorry, I started daydreamin'.

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I'd trade LL for Jamal Brown the LT of the saints in a heartbeat

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[quote=SmootSmack;665497]So...the Saints are letting their FS go. Now they need one. Their defensive coordinator was once here and was vital in drafting Laron Landry. Saints are reportedly shopping their LTs (Brown and Bushrod). We need a LT...[/quote]
[url=http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Articles/2009/12/LaRon%20Landry.aspx]New Orleans Saints - LaRon Landry[/url]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that LL impresses this year if he's still here

otherwise I don't know, I kind of wish Jackson wasn't here again so that it would be more obvious

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So how much is LL worth in draft pick(s)? Hell, let's get Rolle, move Horton to SS, and let's get picks for LL.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;665289]Same here. I think that's GW's blessing and his curse. He thinks he'll get the same performance out of his system and not a single player.

Got news for the Saints. He was your best defensive playmaker and you can bet on losing 1-2 games JUST because he's not there anymore.[/quote]I think you're right TMC, but I don't think franchising him and paying him the tender would have prevented that 1-2 game regression. He's 34.

It's probably the right move to accept that his performance in this season was every bit as fluky as it was unexpected. He may still be a good player next year, but I wouldn't give him the franchise tender to force him to prove it.

If he leaves, they will have a big hole to replace, but I don't think he's going to leave. I think he'll test the market and re-sign.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;665289]Same here. I think that's GW's blessing and his curse. He thinks he'll get the same performance out of his system and not a single player.

Got news for the Saints. He was your best defensive playmaker and you can bet on losing 1-2 games JUST because he's not there anymore.[/quote]

I think that's debatable. I don't know that Sharper was the best defensive playmaker down the stretch for that team. He only had 2 picks after week 8 last year and none in the playoffs. That's not to say that teams didn't start going away from him, but I don't think that putting the franchise tag on him would have been a good idea. I think there's a good chance he wouldn't have lived up to that kind of salary, uncapped season or not.

I agree that's he one of the best playmakers on that team, but Tracy Porter came up with some huge plays in bigger games that Darren Sharper. I think Sharper "had a great season" because of his first half. I don't know that his play down the stretch really sealed this idea that he's "back."

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How about Myron Rolle from FSU/Oxford?

First round talent that will probably drop to a later round.