Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)
 

Felt this needed its own thread. Huge news for the defense if truth. please discuss

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/haynesworth-is-the-key-in-reds.html]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth is the key in Redskins' use of 3-4 defense[/url]

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my bad see it being discussed elsewhere please close

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EDIT: Now that the thread title changed, the joke doesn't seem funny anymore.

This seems like it could blow up in the faces of whoever goes out and gets him. I like Julius Peppers as much as the next guy, but I don't know that I'd want to be the team who takes the shot at him. I don't think he'll live up to his contract and he probably won't be as good as Orakpo in the 3-4, so I say, the Skins should pass on him.

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this doesn't surprise me. peppers is no doubt a very good player. w/out a cap i have a feeling this is going to be 2000 all over again.

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[quote=skinsfan69;667483]this doesn't surprise me. peppers is no doubt a very good player. w/out a cap i have a feeling this is going to be 2000 all over again.[/quote]

"The Future Is Now"!!

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stupid

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Count me among those who fear that Peppers will disappear once he's paid. Over the last couple of years he has had plenty to play for. Yet, despite some flashes, he has gone MIA too often.

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[quote=Lotus;667487]Count me among those who fear that Peppers will disappear once he's paid. Over the last couple of years he has had plenty to play for. Yet, despite some flashes, he has gone MIA too often.[/quote]

He will

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Good scheme fit, questionable work ethic, inevitable diminishing returns, contract will look horrendous in 2013.

Basically, you have to decide how viable it is that the team will compete this year. With Blache gone, adding another 7-8 sacks to this defense could be the difference between a fringe playoff contender and a super bowl contender.

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I'm not crazy about this. If we're going to break the bank on defense, let's go after Dansby or maybe Rolle.

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When I read this on RI this morning I was immediately worried about what Allen, Shanny & Danny are up to. If we go 3-4, we'll need more LBs but we already have a marquee rusher in Rak, who's not there in coverage yet. The other spot needs to be a real OLB that can drop in coverage some. Peppers has never done that. Not to mention his lack of motivation. I agree w/those that say he'll get paid & fall off at times.

After thinking about it a lil more, this could be a smoke screen to drive the price up for him. Then again, I thought that last year w/AH!

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[quote=GTripp0012;667489]Good scheme fit, questionable work ethic, inevitable diminishing returns, contract will look horrendous in 2013.

Basically, you have to decide how viable it is that the team will compete this year. With Blache gone, adding another 7-8 sacks to this defense could be the difference between a fringe playoff contender and a super bowl contender.[/quote]

good point. but i think adding another 7-8 sacks would be the difference between a 6-10 season and a 7-9 or 8-8 season. i know we all want to be excited, but its stretching things to beleive this team will be a contender in 2010. while i'm not surprised to hear that we plan on pursuing peppers, i cant say i think its a good idea at all. he's over the hill and he'll disappear when he gets paid. just like you said, any contract he signs is going to look really really bad in just a couple of years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;667494]I'm not crazy about this. If we're going to break the bank on defense, let's go after Dansby or maybe Rolle.[/quote]
This is my thought as well. If we do go get Peppers, I hope all FA's we sign to front loaded contracts as not to cripple us upon return of the salary cap.

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[quote=Chico23231;667488]He will[/quote]

i think it'd be hard for him NOT to produce. Peppers and Orakpo on the outside is a dominant combination. We'd have AH and Fletch holding down the middle. Not bad. I agree with Ruhskins though. For my money, I'd rather use Peppers money to sign Rolle AND Dansby. That defense would be better.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread but why are they moving Lorenzo Alexander to OLB? He's 300 lbs or so. If anything let him compete at guard.

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haynesworth is not going to be happy having to play nt. i think he would be sick as a de in a 3-4, maybe picking up mount cody at the top of round 2 to fill the nt spot. and im not convinced about peppers.

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I think Peppers can be as good as he wants to be, the question is, how good does he want to be?

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/02/21/sources-raise-red-flags-on-peppers/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Sources raise red flags on Peppers «[/url]

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;667507]i think it'd be hard for him NOT to produce. Peppers and Orakpo on the outside is a dominant combination. We'd have AH and Fletch holding down the middle. Not bad. I agree with Ruhskins though. For my money, I'd rather use Peppers money to sign Rolle AND Dansby. That defense would be better.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread but why are they moving Lorenzo Alexander to OLB? He's 300 lbs or so. If anything let him compete at guard.[/quote]

If Lorenzo's 300lbs, i highly doubt he'd even make the team as a zoneblocking guard. however, i don't see how they expect him to play OLB at that weight.

[quote=Big C;667509]haynesworth is not going to be happy having to play nt. i think he would be sick as a de in a 3-4, maybe picking up mount cody at the top of round 2 to fill the nt spot. and im not convinced about peppers.[/quote]

From what i've read, Haynesworth will probably end up playing DE in a 3-4. I don't think Reid knows what he's talking about.

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;667507]i think it'd be hard for him NOT to produce. Peppers and Orakpo on the outside is a dominant combination. We'd have AH and Fletch holding down the middle. Not bad. I agree with Ruhskins though. For my money, I'd rather use Peppers money to sign Rolle AND Dansby. That defense would be better.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread but why are they moving Lorenzo Alexander to OLB? He's 300 lbs or so. If anything let him compete at guard.[/quote]

Alexander "slimmed down" to about 275 last year to play DE, so he wouldn't have much to lose to fit into the LB mold.

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[quote=Big C;667509]haynesworth is not going to be happy having to play nt. i think he would be sick as a de in a 3-4, maybe picking up mount cody at the top of round 2 to fill the nt spot. and im not convinced about peppers.[/quote]

if you double AH then your tackles are on an island against Orakpo and Peppers which is scary...especially with a running start.

cody would be a nice pick if he slips to us. it would be interesting to see what falls to us. whoever it is we need a starter (Hell with picking a qb).

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Be fun to watch Peppers and AH competing to get off the field first after they get "winded".

I really hope we don't make this move, it would be just like 2000 again. Peppers will play the role of Bruce Smith.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;667505]This is my thought as well. If we do go get Peppers, I hope all FA's we sign to front loaded contracts as not to cripple us upon return of the salary cap.[/quote]

I'm sure that's what all the big-spenders are going to do this year. then again we could always restructure players to long-term deals.

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[quote=Ruhskins;667494]I'm not crazy about this. If we're going to break the bank on defense, let's go after Dansby or maybe Rolle.[/quote]

Everytime I think of Rolle I think of that stupid Tootsie Roll song. Otherwise good player.

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I don't think we'll get peppers though, so I'm not sweating it

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According to Brentson Buckner, Peppers' teammate along the line for a few years there, Peppers just doesn't care about football all that much. That's why you see the flashes one game and the disappearance the next. Definitely makes me nervous.

But as long as this move doesn't preclude us from making other moves, then whatever. He just shouldn't be expected to make a major difference, that's all.

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[quote=53Fan;667513]I think Peppers can be as good as he wants to be, the question is, how good does he want to be?

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/02/21/sources-raise-red-flags-on-peppers/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Sources raise red flags on Peppers «[/url][/quote]

Nice read and not a surprise. The concerns are legit...

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[quote=Ruhskins;667494]I'm not crazy about this. If we're going to break the bank on defense, let's go after Dansby or maybe Rolle.[/quote]

Why would signing Peppers stop them from signing Dansby or Dansby and Rolle?

If Allen and Shanahan want all three, we will get all three.

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Another question though, where would this leave Andre Carter? Dude had 12 sacks last year. I can't see him playing as a down lineman in a 3-4, he needs to stay on the edge with the OLBs.

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Peppers is 30. No thanks. I'd love to see us get a McClain or Spikes falling to us in the 2nd then run an Orakpo Fletcher mcclain/spikes McIntosh type LB core. I like the 3-4 defense, but I think it's going to be a terrible experiment. AH at NT? Really? He's a DE in the 3-4.

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[quote]Another question though, where would this leave Andre Carter? Dude had 12 sacks last year. I can't see him playing as a down lineman in a 3-4, he needs to stay on the edge with the OLBs.[/quote]

Yeah, good questions Schneed. I think Carter benefited more from AH than any other player. He got singled all season long and took advantage of it. Carter has tried that 3-4 OLB thing in SF. Didn't work out so hot.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;667530]Why would signing Peppers stop them from signing Dansby or Dansby and Rolle?

If Allen and Shanahan want all three, we will get all three.[/quote]

considering the salary cap will come back next year, i dont see how we could have all those guys on the roster, in addition to haynesworth, the #4 overall pick in the draft, and whatever other big contract guys we have on the roster. with a salary cap, you can only afford to have a couple big contracts on the team. otherwise, you end up with a roster that has 4 or 5 complete studs and 50 guys who barely qualify to play in the league. id rather have 1 or two studs and 50 good NFL players. While thats an exaggerated example, you get the point. and that doesnt even begin to address the chemistry problems on the team when you're giving Peppers a "100 million dollar contract" and he's not even trying, while guys making the league minimum are playing their guts out.

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Another over the hill player wanting to get paid....no.

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Signing Peppers = Bad Idea

Switch to 3-4 = Bad Idea

Haynesworth at NT = Bad Idea

Orakpo at LB = Bad Idea

Why do we keep trying to put square pegs into round holes?

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I agree with all of those, except Orakpo. He'd be an absolute beast as a 3-4 LB.

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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.....

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;667541]Signing Peppers = Bad Idea

Switch to 3-4 = Bad Idea

Haynesworth at NT = Bad Idea

Orakpo at LB = Bad Idea

[B]Why do we keep trying to put square pegs into round holes?[/B][/quote]

It's the Redskin Way? Apparently their "fans" too?

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Is Orakpo at LB really a bad idea? I thought he made a pretty good transition and should only be better in year 2, and he's definitely a better fit for LB in the 3-4.

re: Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;667541]Signing Peppers = Bad Idea

Switch to 3-4 = Bad Idea

Haynesworth at NT = Bad Idea

Orakpo at LB = Bad Idea

Why do we keep trying to put square pegs into round holes?[/quote]


Orakpo did pretty well as a LB. Sure he was beat a few times in coverage but who doesn't get burned by guys like Witten? If we are able to broaden his skillset as a young player, it will just help the team down the road.

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[quote=saden1;667536]Another over the hill player wanting to get paid....no.[/quote]

He may have motivational issues but he isn't close to being over the hill.

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I'm still trying to figure out why Haynesworth at NT is a bad idea. It's not like he would be locked in at NT full time either, I'm sure he would work in at DE as well.

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[quote=Mattyk;667553]I'm still trying to figure out why Haynesworth at NT is a bad idea. It's not like he would be locked in at NT full time either, I'm sure he would work in at DE as well.[/quote]


I guess the thought is that he will be unhappy with it. The guy is getting $32 million over 14 months. He should be willing to play some nose tackle...