We should stay away from Bradford
 

This guy has missed practically a whole season of football. He got a serious shoulder injury that I believe is more serious than first advertised. He has yet to prove that he still got it. I just think he's to much of a risk to draft him at 4th overall. I know we need a franchise qb. But is Bradford a franchise qb? I honestly do not see it.

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I don't agree...and there is already a bunch of threads about Bradford on here.

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So you have no concerns about Bradford?

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of course there are concerns about him reinjuring his shoulder, but most scouts agree that he is the best qb in the draft. this has been discussed else where and doesnt need its own thread.

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Are you guys mods or something?

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He won't be there at number four, if he somehow falls that far the Redskins WILL take him.

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Please close this thead.. It's being discussed in so many other's..

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#1- Bradford has proven to be the most accurate of all the QB's.
#2- Yes his injury is a concern, but his doctor works for or with the Skins. :)
#3- We already have had several QB's in the past that had good arms, just not accurate:

Ramsey
Brunell (technically prior to coming to the Skins)
Campbell
Collins

So we don't need simply a strong armed QB, we need an accurate passer. It has been pointed out that the next most accurate passer would be McCoy who's arm is weaker then Bradfords.

#4- Can we start a thread "Why we don't need Okung"?

I keep hearing how he's too big and possibly slow for Shanahan's scheme.

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ES thread. Burn it, get rid of it. Certainly your opinion will be appreciated in one of the many other Bradford threads, but a leading thread without anything earth shattering analysis to back it up is unnecessary.

[quote=Landry44;674206]Are you guys mods or something?[/quote]

More like concerned citizens. Besides ever since the ACLU went after them our mods lost whatever backbone they had left.

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If none of you want to discuss this then don't come in this thread. It's not like you're being forced to discuss it. I don't come here very often so I don't know what has discussed. My point was Bradford is to much of a risk to draft him 4th overall. He hasn't thrown a pass in months. In 2008 he was without a doubt a great qb. He was extremely accurate with the football. However, he has missed practically a whole season of football. He didn't participate in the combine. He has yet to throw a pass to prove that he's physcially capable. The scouts can say whatever they want about his abilities there are just to many unanswered questions to take a chance on this guy. We cannot afford to miss with that 4th pick.

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[quote=Landry44;674227]If none of you want to discuss this then don't come in this thread. It's not like you're being forced to discuss it. I don't come here very often so I don't know what has discussed. [B]My point was Bradford is to much of a risk to draft him 4th overall. He hasn't thrown a pass in months. In 2008 he was without a doubt a great qb. He was extremely accurate with the football. However, he has missed practically a whole season of football. He didn't participate in the combine. [/B]He has yet to throw a pass to prove that he's physcially capable. The scouts can say whatever they want about his abilities there are just to many unanswered questions to take a chance on this guy. We cannot afford to miss with that 4th pick.[/quote]

And our point was the fact that none of this was new information. Now if you had something like a quote from a coach or new interesting analysis from a scout then that would be interesting but this is just basic stuff and your title is leading to boot.

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[quote=Landry44;674227]If none of you want to discuss this then don't come in this thread. It's not like you're being forced to discuss it. I don't come here very often so I don't know what has discussed. My point was Bradford is to much of a risk to draft him 4th overall. He hasn't thrown a pass in months. In 2008 he was without a doubt a great qb. He was extremely accurate with the football. However, he has missed practically a whole season of football. He didn't participate in the combine. He has yet to throw a pass to prove that he's physcially capable. The scouts can say whatever they want about his abilities there are just to many unanswered questions to take a chance on this guy. We cannot afford to miss with that 4th pick.[/quote]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. It's not hard to see what's been discussed. Just do a search for "Bradford" and you would find (at minimum) this:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35374-schefter-theres-no-way-rams-wont.html?[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35552-bradford-won-t-oklahoma-s-pro.html?[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35456-nfl-95-mock-munch-bradford-takes.html?[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35215-malcolm-kelly-gives-his-thoughts-sam.html?[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/34870-79-mock-drafts-sam-bradford-still.html?[/url]

Don't want to do that? When you start a thread you could type in "Bradford" in the title and then click on "check if already posted" right next to it.

As for Bradford himself

1) I'm pretty sure his shoulder injury wasn't nearly as bad as Drew Brees'
2) He has thrown plenty of passes, just hasn't done it for the general public

I'll leave this open for now (not really even sure why) but I don't doubt it will be locked soon enough

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[quote=SmootSmack;674232]
I'll leave this open for now (not really even sure why) but I don't doubt it will be locked soon enough[/quote]

ACLU rearing it's ugly head again.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;674229]And our point was the fact that none of this was new information. Now if you had something like a quote from a coach or new interesting analysis from a scout then that would be interesting but this is just basic stuff and your title is leading to boot.[/quote]

I never implied that this was new information. You just have a lot of Skins fans pushing to draft this guy and I can't understand why.

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Please lock!

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[quote=SmootSmack;674232]Ignorance of the law is no excuse. It's not hard to see what's been discussed. Just do a search for "Bradford" and you would find (at minimum) this:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35374-schefter-theres-no-way-rams-wont.html?[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35552-bradford-won-t-oklahoma-s-pro.html?[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35456-nfl-95-mock-munch-bradford-takes.html?[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/35215-malcolm-kelly-gives-his-thoughts-sam.html?[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/34870-79-mock-drafts-sam-bradford-still.html?[/url]

Don't want to do that? When you start a thread you could type in "Bradford" in the title and then click on "check if already posted" right next to it.

As for Bradford himself

1) I'm pretty sure his shoulder injury wasn't nearly as bad as Drew Brees'
2) He has thrown plenty of passes, just hasn't done it for the general public

I'll leave this open for now (not really even sure why) but I don't doubt it will be locked soon enough[/quote]

There is no reason to be rude. I don't know what's wrong with you guys but many of you aren't showing a lot of class right now. If you guys don't want to discuss this with me then do what's in your heart and not ignore the thread. If you disagree with me then can sumbit your opinion respectfully. There is absolutely no reason to rude to fellow Skins fan that wants to best for the team just like you do.

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[quote=SBXVII;674222]#1- Bradford has proven to be the most accurate of all the QB's.
#2- Yes his injury is a concern, but his doctor works for or with the Skins. :)
#3- We already have had several QB's in the past that had good arms, just not accurate:

Ramsey
Brunell (technically prior to coming to the Skins)
Campbell
Collins

So we don't need simply a strong armed QB, we need an accurate passer.[B] It has been pointed out that the next most accurate passer would be McCoy [/B]who's arm is weaker then Bradfords.

#4- Can we start a thread "Why we don't need Okung"?

I keep hearing how he's too big and possibly slow for Shanahan's scheme.[/quote]

I'd be for that if they can manage to trade down and still get a good OT that fits the scheme.

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You guys are acting like a group of bitches on their period. If this thread such a waste of your time then simple ignore it. That would make more sense.

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[quote=Landry44;674161]This guy has missed practically a whole season of football. He got a serious shoulder injury that I believe is more serious than first advertised. He has yet to prove that he still got it. I just think he's to much of a risk to draft him at 4th overall. I know we need a franchise qb. But is Bradford a franchise qb? I honestly do not see it.[/quote]

Describe what you consider a franchise QB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;674252]Please lock![/quote]

I'm sure this is blasphemy for Bradford boners.

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[quote=Landry44;674256]You guys are acting like a group of bitches on their period. If this thread such a waste of your time then simple ignore it. That would make more sense.[/quote]

How exactly are we being a bunch of bitches? Why couldn't you just discuss Bradford in one of the other 20 threads?

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[quote=Landry44;674253]There is no reason to be rude. I don't know what's wrong with you guys but many of you aren't showing a lot of class right now. If you guys don't want to discuss this with me then do what's in your heart and not ignore the thread. If you disagree with me then can sumbit your opinion respectfully. There is absolutely no reason to rude to fellow Skins fan that wants to best for the team just like you do.[/quote]

Stop while your behind.

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Take it easy on OP. He clearly had something on his mind and needed some immediate feedback. It won't happen again. It's just a little freak out. That's all. No harm done.

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Don't lock this thread until he gives me his definition of what a franchise QB is.

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[quote=Longtimefan;674257]Describe what you consider a franchise QB.[/quote]

When I think of a franchise qb I'm looking for a guy who's very intelligent, extremely accurate, and capable of making all the throws.

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[quote=Landry44;674276]When I think of a franchise qb I'm looking for a guy who's very intelligent, extremely accurate, and capable of making all the throws.[/quote]

That rather speaks for the majority of the QB's in the league.

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[quote=Landry44;674276]When I think of a franchise qb I'm looking for a guy who's very intelligent, extremely accurate, and capable of making all the throws.[/quote]Here are some quotes from Scouts Inc. on Bradford regarding:
[B]Intelligence[/B]: "Cerebral quarterback. Not an in-your-face type leader but commands the huddle. Displays poise under pressure. Mentally/physically tough." He also scored a [URL="http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2010/03/report_sam_bradford_scores_36.html"]36 on the Wonderlic test,[/URL] take that for whatever you want.
[B]Accuracy[/B]: "2006: Redshirted. 2007: (14/14) 237 for 341 (69.5 pct.), 3,121 yards, 36 TD, 8 INT. 2008: (14/14) Heisman Trophy winner. 328 for 483 (67.9 pct.), 4,720 yards, 50 TD, 8 INT." [URL="http://www.newerascouting.com/01/sam-bradford-scouting-report/"]Another site says [/URL]"Can put the ball into tight windows, even though he doesn’t have the best zip on his passes. Bradford showed elite accuracy as a sophomore when he won the Heisman Trophy in 2008."
[B]Throw Capability[/B]: "He can make all of the NFL throws. Shows good touch and timing on the vertical throws."

So is your main concern the injury?

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[quote=Longtimefan;674277]That rather speaks for the majority of the QB's in the league.[/quote]

Doesn't sound like Jason Campbell.

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A thread dedicated to concerns over Bradford seems logical w/ the draft approaching.

My take is even w/o injury concerns taking him in the top 5 seems irresponsible at best. Again I just keep looking back at the youtube video and my word this kid's passes are wobbly and often very, very weak. Big lobs and lots of arch even on medium range passes.

Maybe seeing him throw at a proday or whatever alleviates some of those concerns if he seems to have increased his strength/velocity a lot; however, until this is SEEN and basically documented I think the notion Bradford is a great NFL QB prospect is pretty unjustified.

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[quote=WaldSkins;674287]Doesn't sound like Jason Campbell.[/quote]

I don't think anyone is talking about him here. Just because someone doesn't want Bradford, it doesn't mean that they want or think that Campbell is the QB of the future.

Re: We should stay away from a QB with the number 4 pick
 

I think we should stay away from Bradford, not because i think hes a poor QB or anything, but because i think the needs on the oline are just too great to ignore. I also think that putting any qb behind our oline at this point will get him killed and maybe hurt his psychy. If we want to get one next year with a top 10 pick (which is likely as of right now) im cool with that. If we want to trade for some qb and give a lot away to get him because he really is that good im cool with that. But to draft a QB number 4 over all when we have a greater need at protecting whatever QB lines up behind center. That combined with that fact i view Campbell as very serviceable QB makes it a no-brainer to me.

I honestly have never been good at evaluating qb's so maybe Bradford is that next great QB. Who knows. But i do know that a couple supposed next great QB's are taken as a top 10 pick every year, so why not just wait till next year. I changed my the tile in my response to reflect this.

Also OP: Im with you on starting a new thread to discuss specific issues on highly discussed topics (albeit in few threads). I personally dont like scrolling through tons of pages to hear repeated thoughts about things varying widely from the original topic. But i guess it is why some people like the warpath over some of the other forums. Just go to one of the multiple other forums to tailor your needs. No reason to flip out just keep it on topic........

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I will have to agree. I don't see anything wrong with this thread, if you don't like it or you don't want it around, then don't acknowledge it and it will go away. Yes, there are 20 other threads on here about it, but who in the hell wants to read through all of that crap? Anyway, I agree that Bradford isn't the answer for the Skins, he will be hurt very quickly if he gets the start. I also don't have any confidence in a QB that ran a spread offense in college.

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[quote=mlmpetert;674296][B]I think we should stay away from Bradford, not because i think hes a poor QB or anything, but because i think the needs on the oline are just too great to ignore. I also think that putting any qb behind our oline at this point will get him killed and maybe hurt his psychy[/B]. If we want to get one next year with a top 10 pick (which is likely as of right now) im cool with that. If we want to trade for some qb and give a lot away to get him because he really is that good im cool with that. But to draft a QB number 4 over all when we have a greater need at protecting whatever QB lines up behind center. That combined with that fact i view Campbell as very serviceable QB makes it a no-brainer to me.

I honestly have never been good at evaluating qb's so maybe Bradford is that next great QB. Who knows. But i do know that a couple supposed next great QB's are taken as a top 10 pick every year, so why not just wait till next year. I changed my the tile in my response to reflect this.

Also OP: Im with you on starting a new thread to discuss specific issues on highly discusses (albeit in few threads). I personally dont like scrolling through tons of pages to hear repeated thoughts about things varying widely from the original topic. But i guess why some people like the warpath over some of the other forums. Just go to multiple forums to tailor your needs. No reason to flip out just keep it on topic........[/quote]


Well said, we need OL it's amazing to me how people screamed our OL sucked & are now screaming get a QB. Look at our draft record we haven't really addressed the OL in years.

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Good points...Bradford may be a good QB, I just don't think he's right for the Skins at the moment. I'd rather have a LT that can start right away, instead of a top 5 QB that's going to sit on the bench.

I'm ok with the Redskins taking Bradford if that's what Shanny/Allen think needs to happen. I wonder if they Bradford camp would be fine if we took Okung.

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[quote=Landry44;674253]There is no reason to be rude. I don't know what's wrong with you guys but many of you aren't showing a lot of class right now. If you guys don't want to discuss this with me then do what's in your heart and not ignore the thread. If you disagree with me then can sumbit your opinion respectfully. There is absolutely no reason to rude to fellow Skins fan that wants to best for the team just like you do.[/quote]

Rude? Where was I rude? Can somebody tell me where I was rude?

I suggested the search function be used. I used the search for you. I stated why I thought you were mistaken on a couple of points, and the thread is still open isn't it? Truthfully, I don't have a problem with this thread but don't say you couldn't find any discussion on Bradford

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I don't think we should draft OL Davis from Rutgers. He is a top rated tackle according to many of the most well known draft experts. I know that we need a franchise left tackle, but I'm just not sure about the guy. He has character concerns. He isn't known as a hard worker. He had a piss poor combine. He gets beaten badly by marginal players in the game video I have watched on him, video that is widely available for anyone to watch on the internet. He looks lazy on the field.

Is my opinion [B]NEW[/B] thread worthy?

Nope.

Like it has been pointed out already there are a bunch of threads discussing the draft and the particular prospects that the team might choose from.

Nothing wrong with the OP expressing an opinion about a top prospect, but just because you want to discuss something that is on your mind doesn't allow you to disregard rules and requirements for starting [B]NEW[/B] threads.

No big deal, but you're getting called out on it. Every time.

Also you base your whole opinion on this argument that the "injury" to Bradford is "worse than reported." You base this medical assessement on what exactly?

Something "just tells me it's worse" doesn't cut it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;674302]Rude? Where was I rude? Can somebody tell me where I was rude?

I suggested the search function be used. I used the search for you. I stated why I thought you were mistaken on a couple of points, and the thread is still open isn't it? Truthfully, I don't have a problem with this thread but don't say you couldn't find any discussion on Bradford[/quote]


Smooty you were rude and disrespectful, wait that came out wrong I mean you were informative and helpful

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If there's anything the draft has proven with 100% certainty is that it's all a crap shoot. Especially when it comes to quarterbacks and wide receivers in the first round.

If I'm the Skins, I take Okung and hope there's still some gem at QB in one of the later rounds. Your GM prowess isn't proven in the first and second rounds. It's proven, I would say, in rounds 3-7. Let's see what Allen and Co. really have. Play it safe, draft Okung and if Jason Campbell doesn't work out this year, at least you have a quality tackle going into his second year with the team. At least you have began the process of building a dominant offensive line.

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holy crap

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I was against getting Bradford on the account of his being on a powerful team that to me, with the exception of a couple of games, played clearly inferior opponents most of the year in a conference not known for defense. THat being said, one thing other than arm strength that I want in a franchise guy for the SKins is a guy with a brain. Bradford scored a 36 on his Wonderlic test. Clausen only scored 23, and Tebow a 22. I would like to see what Stull and Kafka scored on theirs as both of their schools(Pitt and Northwestern) usually have some of the highest academic standards for athletes around.