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Redskins met with Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes after (or maybe before) his Pro Day performance yesterday

Redskins showing a lot of interest in Eric Berry, may bring him in for a private workout.

Zac Robinson as well

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yippee

haven't heard much about Barnes

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[quote=SmootSmack;676117]Redskins met with Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes after (or maybe before) his Pro Day performance yesterday

[B]Redskins showing a lot of interest in Eric Berry, may bring him in for a private workout. [/B]

Zac Robinson as well[/quote]

i think he is going to be a great ball player, but we cant take him at 4. too many other issues.

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I read Barnes has long arms catches everything BUT he has tendinitis in his knees.

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[quote=tryfuhl;676118]yippee

haven't heard much about Barnes[/quote]

agreed, i remember him looking really skinny, i wonder if he has bulked up any.

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If we sign Porter we will most likely trade Carter and/or Mcintosh?

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Just read this bit on him

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Freddie-Barnes-looking-to-make-his-mark.html]Freddie Barnes looking to make his mark | National Football Post[/url]

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he's projected as a 5th rounder... given that we only have 5 draft picks, I dont think we can afford to spend a single draft pick on a wide receiver though.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;676124]If we sign Porter we will most likely trade Carter and/or Mcintosh?[/quote]

McIntosh is currently our second ILB, I dont' think signing Porter affects his status.

We aren't getting much for Carter.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;676146]McIntosh is currently our second ILB, I dont' think signing Porter affects his status.

We aren't getting much for Carter.[/quote]

i'd take a 4th for Carter, possibly a 5th. he's got not place in our system, so we might as well get something for him.

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More WRs? I thought we were set? How many more do you need?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;676150]More WRs? I thought we were set? How many more do you need?[/quote]

Well we did cut ARE, so we need to pick up a 5th WR from somewhere.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676152]Well we did cut ARE, so we need to pick up a 5th WR from somewhere.[/quote]

ARE was a WR? I thought he just went side to side on kick offs?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676148]i'd take a 4th for Carter, possibly a 5th. he's got not place in our system, so we might as well get something for him.[/quote]

Well if we can barely get a 4th for Campbell, I can't imagine Carter would fetch as much.

I would only want to trade Carter if we get Porter (or if we plan on releasing him). If they are considering a release, we need to get him out the door sooner rather than later...

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;676154]ARE was a WR? I thought he just went side to side on kick offs?[/quote]

all the more reason to be looking for a WR/KR... we had one horrible player filling both spots last year.

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;676157]Well if we can barely get a 4th for Campbell, I can't imagine Carter would fetch as much.

I would only want to trade Carter if we get Porter (or if we plan on releasing him). If they are considering a release, we need to get him out the door sooner rather than later...[/quote]

Carter had 11 sacks last year, which should give him some value. Campbells never done anything to distinguish himself, so i'm not surprised he doesnt have much value right now.

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I don't think the interest in Barnes is serious

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Is anyone else concerned we're looking at Ryan Leaf 2.0 in Jimmy Clausen?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;676168]Is anyone else concerned we're looking at Ryan Leaf 2.0 in Jimmy Clausen?[/quote]

Clausen AND Bradford. I think we should avoid them both at #4.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;676168]Is anyone else concerned we're looking at Ryan Leaf 2.0 in Jimmy Clausen?[/quote]

I dont think he will be bad, pretty average...we got that already in JC, average

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;676168]Is anyone else concerned we're looking at Ryan Leaf 2.0 in Jimmy Clausen?[/quote]


I would feel a lot better about Bradford than Clausen. That being said, I want a premier tackle.

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Is anyone concerned we're looking at Tony Mandarich 2.0 in Russell Okung?

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[quote=Buster;676170]Clausen AND Bradford. I think we should avoid them both at #4.[/quote]

agreed. i think either of them would be lucky to as "good" as Campbell is now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;676175]Is anyone concerned we're looking at Tony Mandarich 2.0 in Russell Okung?[/quote]

always a possibility but it would be tough to match Mandarich's bust level. He had to be juiced up to a dangerous degree.

The last o line pick that might be called a bust was Robert Gallery, but he at least earned a starting spot at guard for the raiders, till he was injured. O line prospects rarely are total busts (benched, out of the league, etc.), but some of course aren't as good as their billing. It's one of the safest top 10 picks IMO, if not the safest.

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is anyone concerned we'll do what smoot wants and draft Cadillac Williams 2.0 in CJ Spiller? ;)

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[quote=SmootSmack;676175]Is anyone concerned we're looking at Tony Mandarich 2.0 in Russell Okung?[/quote]

More like I am concerned we're looking at the next Gallery. Not a bad player but not a value at 4.

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[quote=SmootSmack;676175]Is anyone concerned we're looking at Tony Mandarich 2.0 in Russell Okung?[/quote]

Wouldn't that be more of a Bruce Campbell type?

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[quote=freddyg12;676177]always a possibility but it would be tough to match Mandarich's bust level. He had to be juiced up to a dangerous degree.

The last o line pick that might be called a bust was Robert Gallery, but he at least earned a starting spot at guard for the raiders, till he was injured. O line prospects rarely are total busts (benched, out of the league, etc.), but some of course aren't as good as their billing. It's one of the safest top 10 picks IMO, if not the safest.[/quote]

Fair enough and good points. Though I'm sure the Raiders didn't expect to spend such a high pick on a guard.

Still, I'm not sure why so many people want to keep ripping on Bradford and Clausen (Ryan Leaf 2.0 really? based on what exactly) just because they want an OT. Or why so few people acknowledge that are issues with linemen as well.

Oh well, it is what it is...SPILLER!!!!

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will barry simms sign here?

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[quote=SmootSmack;676175]Is anyone concerned we're looking at Tony Mandarich 2.0 in Russell Okung?[/quote]Nope.

I don't think there's a Manderich, a Leaf, or a Charles Rogers in this draft that we have to avoid at all costs. It's a historically great class with hardly any pitfall players (there are no Aaron Maybin's in this class).

I just think there's some obvious valuation errors by the consensus. But for the most part, particularly outside of the quarterback position, I think it's what you see is what you get.

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[quote=SmootSmack;676182]Fair enough and good points. Though I'm sure the Raiders didn't expect to spend such a high pick on a guard.

Still, I'm not sure why so many people want to keep ripping on Bradford and Clausen ([B]Ryan Leaf 2.0 really? based on what exactly[/B]) just because they want an OT. Or why so few people acknowledge that are issues with linemen as well.

Oh well, it is what it is...SPILLER!!!![/quote]

Based on the maturity issues that I keep hearing about, primarily.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;676168]Is anyone else concerned we're looking at Ryan Leaf 2.0 in Jimmy Clausen?[/quote]You've got to be kidding....:doh:

Aren't you concerned about the possibility of Jason White 2.0 in Bradford?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;676185]Based on the maturity issues that I keep hearing about, primarily.[/quote]

Such as?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;676185]Based on the maturity issues that I keep hearing about, primarily.[/quote]Any specific examples....other than random blogs citing "unnamed" sources.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;676188]Any specific examples....other than random blogs citing "unnamed" sources.[/quote]

Nothing that I can personally vouch for of course, but a whole lot of little stuff that falls under "where there's smoke there's fire" category.

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I think, if Sam Bradford had gone to a much smaller school than Oklahoma, he would have been just as successful as a college, but I don't think he would be getting billed as a top pick. In fact, I don't think he'd be getting much scouting interest at all.

The two guys who his skill set most reminds me of both went undrafted: Jeff Garcia, and Tony Romo. Both of those guys were scouting "finds" by some of the best talent evaluating coaches ever (Walsh/Parcells respectively). I think a guy like Bradford having the career he did in the national spotlight puts him in uncharted waters.

So when trying to project Bradford, one of the questions I'm trying to answer (and probably failing) is whether or not this type of skill set can survive the environment of being the first overall pick. When you look at the other quarterbacks with the mobility/accuracy skill set with sack evasiveness and an underrated arm, none of them got on the field prior to age 26. Well, Bradford is going to be 22 next year and I'm guessing that if he gets picked in the top five, they're going to put him out there earlier in his career than Garcia or Romo.

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Stafford/Sanchez >>>>> Bradford/Clausen

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;676168]Is anyone else concerned we're looking at Ryan Leaf 2.0 in Jimmy Clausen?[/quote]

Ryan Leaf was not dedicated to the game and thus was eternally distracted. From all I've read, Clausen is the opposite: an enthusiastic student of the game.

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[quote=freddyg12;676177]always a possibility but it would be tough to match Mandarich's bust level. He had to be juiced up to a dangerous degree.

The last o line pick that might be called a bust was Robert Gallery, but he at least earned a starting spot at guard for the raiders, till he was injured. O line prospects rarely are total busts (benched, out of the league, etc.), but some of course aren't as good as their billing. It's one of the safest top 10 picks IMO, if not the safest.[/quote]

I agree that taking a tackle high is generally safer than taking a QB high. That said, it is not perfectly safe.

But that is not my real argument here. My real argument is that we have sucked for some time, were especially bad last year, and have a new regime. Because of this, perhaps now is the time when we should be least worried about playing things safe. Maybe some draft daring is just what we need. Not stupid picks, of course, but not playing it safe, either.

In other words, why worry too much about what is "safe"? Because otherwise we might finish 3-13 instead of 4-12?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676193]Stafford/Sanchez >>>>> Bradford/Clausen[/quote]Ehhhhhh.

I don't know if I'd go that far. I just don't think there's a guy in that bunch I'd support taking in the top five.

If there was one, it'd be Stafford most likely, but dude has some serious accuracy issues with the football that might prevent him from being anything more than passable.

I had a second round grade on Stafford compared to mid-to-late firsts on both Clausen and Bradford, and a fourth on Sanchez. But if there was one guy I would knowingly overdraft based on intangibles, it'd be Stafford (Detroit might have done just this).

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[quote=Lotus;676196]I agree that taking a tackle high is generally safer than taking a QB high. That said, it is not perfectly safe.

But that is not my real argument here. My real argument is that we have sucked for some time, were especially bad last year, and have a new regime. Because of this, perhaps now is the time when we should be least worried about playing things safe. Maybe some draft daring is just what we need. Not stupid picks, of course, but not playing it safe, either.[/quote]Playing it safe is one way to look at it, but a clear, decisive plan for improvement at our weakest position would be another.

What frustrates me is when people say: let's [I]take a chance[/I] on a quarterback. There are a lot of people who have an irrational man crush on Sam Bradford, but at the very least, those people are convinced that if you do get him, the rest will fall into place. And as wrongheaded as I think the logic is, I can respect the sentiment.

If you're "taking a chance" on a guy that high, you're setting your team up for failure, I think. Some people believe the draft is a crapshoot. If the draft is a crapshoot, I don't think a QB at No. 4 can be defensed. You really do have to [I]know[/I] what you are getting this high. Which is why, in my mind, [I]taking a chance[/I] on Okung is not verbage I'd ever use. I prefer to look at it as [I]finding a way[/I] to land the guy who will make us better the fastest.