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[url=http://insidethecap.blogspot.com/2010/03/redskins-finally-leverage-uncapped-year.html]INSIDE THE CAP with J.I. Halsell: Under the Cap: The Redskins Finally Leverage the Uncapped Year[/url]

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Moved to Salary Cap Central

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Ah, good call.

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Bruce Allen is a wise man. :thumb:

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Wow, that's pretty crafty. i'm wondering why this hasnt been reported elsewhere.

there is one part i don't quite grasp. is the fact that 2011-2014 are voidable only by haynesworth the sole reason that the bonus money only applies in 2010? is that some loophole in CBA rules?

If not, i'd say this could be a sign that we would not at all be opposed to haynesworth leaving the team. i've said before i thought he would be traded during the uncapped year and this only confirms thats its not only possible, but perhaps even likely. i guess the major problem with trading him is that haynesworth would have to convince a 4-3 team to be willing to, not only pay him an additional 16M, but also give up draft picks for him. pushing 30years old, i'm not sure how much we could get for him. if the raiders ran a 4-3, al davis would certainly give us 1 or 2 first rounders for him next year. but unfortunately, they do not.

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Our new FO is pretty good at keeping secrets. This is the first that I've heard of the AH/DHall renegotiations. They also are doing things the right way: using the uncapped year to create roster fiscal health while not mortgaging our fiscal future.

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This seems to give the coaches some leverage over these two players. For example, if they tell Godzilla to be NT and he balks, they can say "You are the NT and if you don't like it buy yourself out and go somewhere else". I don't see this happening but at least they have some options.

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Good stuff. Allen is working his magic already.

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Sounds like Eric Schaffer is still the best in the business at massaging the cap.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;677494]This seems to give the coaches some leverage over these two players. For example, if they tell Godzilla to be NT and he balks, they can say "You are the NT and if you don't like it buy yourself out and go somewhere else". I don't see this happening but at least they have some options.[/quote]

So does this pave the way to take Suh/McCoy at #4 assuming one of them is there and Bradford and/or Okung are not? Because all this time I've been thinking, and I kind of still do, there's no point really in taking either of those guys. But now...makes you wonder

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This is good to hear. I was thinking we were missing a great oppurtunity to use this uncapped year.

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[quote]So does this pave the way to take Suh/McCoy at #4 assuming one of them is there and Bradford and/or Okung are not? Because all this time I've been thinking, and I kind of still do, there's no point really in taking either of those guys. But now...makes you wonder[/quote]

Am I incorrect in thinking Suh/McCoy would be square pegs in a round hole for the 3-4? I think AH will fit well (and actually like) a 3-4 DE. It's being an NT that really seems to upset/not fit Haynesworth.

Smoot -- any thoughts on if Mt. Cody will still be around in the 2nd round for us? He'd be a great 1-2 punch with Keamantu to rotate NTs.

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[quote=SmootSmack;677524]So does this pave the way to take Suh/McCoy at #4 assuming one of them is there and Bradford and/or Okung are not? Because all this time I've been thinking, and I kind of still do, there's no point really in taking either of those guys. But now...makes you wonder[/quote]

Even if we still have Haynesworth, if McCoy or Suh are there at 4 we should only consider two options:

1) Trading down (we'll have tons of suitors)
2) Drafting Suh or McCoy

Anything else would require reaching too far to fill a need IMO.

So i have a hypothetical situation for everyone. Lets say

where the Rams took Bradford, the Lions took Okung, and a team (perhaps Buffalo), fearing that we'd take Clausen, traded with Tampa Bay to draft the increasingly overrated QB. With both Suh and McCoy on the board, we might not end up with any offers to trade down and we'd be stuck at 4.

Who would you draft?

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Tim Teebow. That would learn em'.

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Damn I was waiting to hear about the Redskins doing something like this. I don't care what anyone says, they Redskins are by far the best at managing the cap. Now we should have tons of cap room if the cap ever does come back.

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[quote=SmootSmack;677524]So does this pave the way to take Suh/McCoy at #4 assuming one of them is there and Bradford and/or Okung are not? Because all this time I've been thinking, and I kind of still do, there's no point really in taking either of those guys. But now...makes you wonder[/quote]


I would say we certainly aren't pigeonholed into a pick now. That being said, we will probably take the safety... ;-)

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[quote=Daseal;677533]Am I incorrect in thinking Suh/McCoy would be square pegs in a round hole for the 3-4? I think AH will fit well (and actually like) a 3-4 DE. It's being an NT that really seems to upset/not fit Haynesworth.

Smoot -- any thoughts on if Mt. Cody will still be around in the 2nd round for us? He'd be a great 1-2 punch with Keamantu to rotate NTs.[/quote]

Yeah I think he'll be there, and if we traded down in the first we could also possibly look at Dan Williams. I don't know that I would but it's possible

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;677537]Even if we still have Haynesworth, if McCoy or Suh are there at 4 we should only consider two options:

1) Trading down (we'll have tons of suitors)
2) Drafting Suh or McCoy

Anything else would require reaching too far to fill a need IMO.

So i have a hypothetical situation for everyone. Lets say

where the Rams took Bradford, the Lions took Okung, and a team (perhaps Buffalo), fearing that we'd take Clausen, traded with Tampa Bay to draft the increasingly overrated QB. With both Suh and McCoy on the board, we might not end up with any offers to trade down and we'd be stuck at 4.

Who would you draft?[/quote]

Are the options just Suh and McCoy in your question?

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Great stuff there. On a side note, I'm still baffled at how much money D'Angelo Hall has been paid since he's been in the league.

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Effing genius. What a great read!

Can we trade Haynesworth tomorrow?

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Very good analysis, but one thing he said that I have trouble with, is the part about the release of the 10 players. That clearly could not have happened in a salary cap environment, or we would have be in true cap hell instead of skirting it as we have done these past so many years. That allowed us to clean the slate. AH and DH's renegotiations may allow us more flexibility going into the future, but dropping 30.5 million in dead weight players is a huge benefit for the team. I can't wait to see how the new CBA deals with all this money we've shuffled around. Maybe they will have a "Redskins Accounting Clause"!

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[quote=SmootSmack;677548]Are the options just Suh and McCoy in your question?[/quote]

no, any player... except cj spiller

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;677567]no, any player... except cj spiller[/quote]

:) Whatcha gonna do now Smooty?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;677567]no, any player... except cj spiller[/quote]

Hater

Good question. I know OT is a need but I wouldn't really reach for Williams, Bulaga, or Brown. Which I think we would be doing if we took any of them at 4 (though my own mock still has us taking TW at 4). I'm all for BPA in the first round, but within reason. Within reason meaning I wouldn't, for example, take Eric Berry unless Landry is gone. So I guess the same philosophy would apply then to Suh and McCoy.

So I guess I'd say...Rolando McLain? No, probably not even him at #4

Tough question

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[quote=53Fan;677568]:) Whatcha gonna do now Smooty?[/quote]

Find the loophole...and suggest we draft Clifford Spiller Jr.

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I know some fans thought the team was holding back with FA signings but, if you ook at the quality of UFAs, there wasn't a slew of talent and youth available; Dansby being the exception. Now heading into the draft there's still too many 'what ifs'. That's why teams draft the best player available. How much can we lean on Kemoeatu playing NT or Haynesworth for that matter? [B][I]Would it be smart for the team to purposely play Haynesworth at NT to push him towards a buyout of his contract?[/I][/B] I just don't think any team considers Clausen a Top 5 pick so, it's quite a reach to draft him there. It is believable that (in no particular order) McCoy, Suh, Okung, and Bradford (pending his workout) are the consensus Top 4. So by default, one of them will fall into our lap.

This is where trade scenarios come into play. I don't think it's priority to draft a 4-3 DL such as Suh or McCoy; not at 4th overall. What's intriguing is what will SEA and KC do at 5th and 6th overall. SEA has two first rounders and could look to trade with WSH to leapfrog KC to get their guy. That could be a good position to be in.

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[quote=SmootSmack;677571]Hater

Good question. I know OT is a need but I wouldn't really reach for Williams, Bulaga, or Brown. Which I think we would be doing if we took any of them at 4 (though my own mock still has us taking TW at 4). I'm all for BPA in the first round, but within reason. Within reason meaning I wouldn't, for example, take Eric Berry unless Landry is gone. So I guess the same philosophy would apply then to Suh and McCoy.

So I guess I'd say...Rolando McLain? No, probably not even him at #4

Tough question[/quote]

Just curious, would you consider Joe Haden, taking into account Hall's renegotiated contract? Or do you feel Barnes has got us covered in case we need him?

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I would have considered Haden for sure about two months ago. I'm not as sold on him now, not at #4

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[quote=GMScud;677551]Great stuff there. On a side note, I'm still baffled at how much money D'Angelo Hall has been paid since he's been in the league.[/quote]

You wanna be baffled check out how much L. Coles has been paid over the course of his career.

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[quote=SmootSmack;677583]I would have considered Haden for sure about two months ago. I'm not as sold on him now, not at #4[/quote]

I'm assuming because of his 40 time? I agree that #4 would be too high. Especially with the other talent that will be available.

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[quote=Mattyk;677584]You wanna be baffled check out how much L. Coles has been paid over the course of his career.[/quote]

Please don't bring him up.

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We have holes all over the board. I guess they would know best how to fill those holes. I'd still prefer one of the more top ranked QB's vs. settling for a piece of work and hoping he developes within a year, but I do have concerns about our NT's injuries and will he be ready to start or even if he is will he be able to hold up. Then there is the issue of rotation. He's going to want to be relieved once and a while.

My concerns in order are:

QB
OL
NT
LB
NT

and what ever else we need. You could almost interchange the LB and NT spot depending on depth in the draft.

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The removal of Vinny Cerrato was bound to pay dividends...the smarter handling of the cap is just one of the advantages

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[quote=53Fan;677587]I'm assuming because of his 40 time? I agree that #4 would be too high. Especially with the other talent that will be available.[/quote]

No, I'm not too worried about the 40 time really. Just don't know if he's #4 worthy

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[quote=SBXVII;677594]We have holes all over the board. I guess they would know best how to fill those holes. I'd still prefer one of the more top ranked QB's vs. settling for a piece of work and hoping he developes within a year, but I do have concerns about our NT's injuries and will he be ready to start or even if he is will he be able to hold up. Then there is the issue of rotation. He's going to want to be relieved once and a while.

My concerns in order are:

QB
OL
NT
LB
NT

and what ever else we need. You could almost interchange the LB and NT spot depending on depth in the draft.[/quote]QB, really? Imagine if Sanchez played behind the 'Skins OL last year...

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When I read this article I feel even better about our new GM. We will slowly turn the corner on being a contender again...it will take some time.

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Also, Vinny deserves a lot of credit for structuring the contracts, particularly Haynesworth's, so this was even possible. If he had just given a lump sum signing bonus, it's all paid and there's nothing we can do.

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I wasn't aware Vinny had anything to do with contracts honestly

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[quote=SmootSmack;677571]Hater

Good question. I know OT is a need but I wouldn't really reach for Williams, Bulaga, or Brown. Which I think we would be doing if we took any of them at 4 (though my own mock still has us taking TW at 4). I'm all for BPA in the first round, but within reason. Within reason meaning I wouldn't, for example, take Eric Berry unless Landry is gone. So I guess the same philosophy would apply then to Suh and McCoy.

So I guess I'd say...Rolando McLain? No, probably not even him at #4

Tough question[/quote]

very tough indeed. i think Suh is the best player in the draft. With or without Haynesworth he would fill a need - just not one of the top 3 most pressing needs we have at the moment (LT, RT, and QB) - so i would still have reservations about taking him. Okung, Bradford, or Clausen could hypothetically fill one of those top three needs (if shanahan was sold on clausen or bradford of course). while I dont like Bradford or Clausen all that much, i could eventually understand the picks, because of the importance of the position. okung is definitely the best tackle in the draft. however, as many here have stated - there's not that huge of a drop-off between him and the next group of tackles in the draft.

essentially, there really isnt anyone i would feel 100% good about taking at #4. but theres about a dozen guys i'd be perfectly happy taking at different places between 8 and 25. basically, trading down is - by far - the most attractive option for me at this point. if we could trade down somewhere between 8 and 25 and pick up a 2nd round pick in 2010 or even a 1st rounder in 2011, i'd be thrilled and not for a second regret passing up any bradford, okung, clausen, mccoy or suh.

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I think Eric Schaffer is probably the best in the business. He is so good at his job I have to think he shares the blame for all these years of Snyder bringing in over priced hasbeens. With out him Snyder couldn't have kept doing it. Having said that he is the real MVP of this organization. Got to hold on to him!