Mike Shanahan elaborates on what Redskins' defense will be
 

Sounds like a 3-4 base isn't necessarily set in stone

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Nice sidestepping of the question without really saying anything new about Haynesworth....love that he is, at face value at least, trying to adapt the scheme to the personnel though

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"Until you actually know what your personnel is, I think it's a little premature." :thumb:

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[quote=53Fan;678335]"Until you actually know what your personnel is, I think it's a little premature." :thumb:[/quote]

What? Adapt your defense to better fit the personnel you have? Unheard of in D.C.!

What will they think of next? Doing the same thing on offense? Nah. Too radical.

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Seems like we are going to do hybrid style, just like Arizona's? If we actually are going to use 3-4, I really hope the transition would go smoothly, just like Green Bay did last year..

Edit: at the ending, Shanahan sounded like if Redskins coaches will create their own version of 3-4 style..

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Believe me its 3-4, shanahan just doesn't want coaches around the league to start planing for it. It's been known for a while, he's just trying to throw you off or think of something else to get you to think "Ohh maybe its going to be a 4-3 instead"

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i agree that shanahan has no reason to admit we're switching to a 3-4 right now. however, i also agree that he'd be a complete moron to switch to a base 3-4 with the current personnel we have in place. As of right now, the only prototypical 3-4 player we've added to our defense is a NT who can't even pass a physical. we had a shortage of good linebackers when running the 4-3 - there's no way we can switch to the 3-4 without acquiring alot more talent. free agency is dwindling down. we only have 5 draft picks and, by all appearances, we won't be drafting anyone before the 4th round who doesnt play offense. there's plenty of time before our 53-man roster is finalized, but unless/until we do a significant overhaul of our defensive front 7, i think the chances are we'll be keeping a base 4-3 for another year.

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Adapt the defense to fit the personnel??

Holy crap!!! I just saw a flying pig.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;678375]Adapt the defense to fit the personnel??

Holy crap!!! I just saw a flying pig.[/quote]

Are you sure that was a pig i thought it was a cow jumping over the moon.

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I think he wants teams to believe that we still might nab Suh or G. mccoy, thus giving us some leverage for trades. Or maybe takings one of those guys is a real possibility?

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MS he's looking to trade out of #4 & pick up more picks. IMO. Don't show your hand.

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^^ I would love to trade out of the 4 and get more picks. The offensive line talent is so deep in this draft we could get our OL of the future in this draft alone.

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This is what you get when you have a true professional coach. A guy who'll take what he has in personnel and make a scheme to maximize it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;678375]Adapt the defense to fit the personnel??

Holy crap!!! I just saw a flying pig.[/quote]

LOL. Seriously. I don't think "elaborate" is the right word.

To paraphrase: Are we a 4-3? Maybe when camp comes around we'll realize we're more of a 4 man front kind of team. Or maybe we're a 3-4. Will we be more like Pitt, Dal, NE, or SD? Who really knows? You can't really make those decisions until you see how your personnel plays.

Shanahan talked for a while and basically said nothing.

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[quote=Mattyk;678314]Sounds like a 3-4 base isn't necessarily set in stone

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It may depend on when Kemo is ready. Phat Al obviously doesn't want to be a full time nose so they need Kemo to fill that role.

Although I think a front 4 of Carter (Jarmon, Lorenzo), Godzilla, Kemo and Philip Daniels is disgusting.

I love how big our defensive line has become.

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Just a quick question. Why does the media conviently seem to forget that in the Haynesworth "scandal" Shanahan said he respected Haynesworth for coming to him? All I keep hearing is the part where he says he strongly disagrees with the decision which gets turned into a huge riff.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;678458]Just a quick question. Why does the media conviently seem to forget that in the Haynesworth "scandal" Shanahan said he respected Haynesworth for coming to him? All I keep hearing is the part where he says he strongly disagrees with the decision which gets turned into a huge riff.[/quote]

i know! unfortunately, the whole story is not as interesting as just some of it's parts. whatever bleeds leads.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;678458]Just a quick question. Why does the media conviently seem to forget that in the Haynesworth "scandal" Shanahan said he respected Haynesworth for coming to him? All I keep hearing is the part where he says he strongly disagrees with the decision which gets turned into a huge riff.[/quote]


Because Portis hasn't opened his yap recently and the offeason has reaked of professionalism.

The local media (Polin, Czaban, Lavar, BMitch etc.) don't know what to do when things are run the way they should be.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;678458]Just a quick question. Why does the media conviently seem to forget that in the Haynesworth "scandal" Shanahan said he respected Haynesworth for coming to him? All I keep hearing is the part where he says he strongly disagrees with the decision which gets turned into a huge riff.[/quote]

Hell I keep hearing about how he doesn't want to play NT in the 3-4. Adam Schein said it again yesterday :doh:

Still haven't heard AH come out and say those words yet. In fact he's already said he will do what they want and not be a distraction... so where does this BS keep coming from?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;678458]Just a quick question. Why does the media conviently seem to forget that in the Haynesworth "scandal" Shanahan said he respected Haynesworth for coming to him? All I keep hearing is the part where he says he strongly disagrees with the decision which gets turned into a huge riff.[/quote]

I think it's funny also. If Shanahan truly didn't agree or tell AH do whatever works best we might be looking at the Skins shopping AH but instead all is quiet. The media played this issue out simply saying Shanahan and AH respect each other, and AH does not plan to participate and Shanahan disagree's with the decision.

Nobody is providing what the out come was. It's volunter work outs. No team or coach can demand any player to be there. Shanahan can be dissapointed all he wants but if AH shows up fit as a fiddle I don't see any reason for him to be mad. The media simply skips over the volunter part and they emphasize the AH is not present part and Shanahan strongly disagrees with it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;678374]i agree that shanahan has no reason to admit we're switching to a 3-4 right now. however, i also agree that he'd be a complete moron to switch to a base 3-4 with the current personnel we have in place. As of right now, the only prototypical 3-4 player we've added to our defense is a NT who can't even pass a physical. we had a shortage of good linebackers when running the 4-3 - there's no way we can switch to the 3-4 without acquiring alot more talent. free agency is dwindling down. we only have 5 draft picks and, by all appearances, we won't be drafting anyone before the 4th round who doesnt play offense. there's plenty of time before our 53-man roster is finalized, but unless/until we do a significant overhaul of our defensive front 7, i think the chances are we'll be keeping a base 4-3 for another year.[/quote]

Good analogy....plus the idea of moving players currently on the roster to positions they're not acquianted with is an experiment that's going to take time to materialize if at all. Players like Lorenzo Alexander, Andre Carter and Jeremy Jarmon are good players at the positions they play, but talk of moving them to the LB position requires more than just a notion. I agree with those who say personnel is the key to whether we switch to a 3-4 as the base defense.

It's good to see Shanahan is not giving up any definitive answers to the question, no need to give the opposition a head start in preperation.

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[quote=Mattyk;678466]Hell I keep hearing about how he doesn't want to play the 3-4. Adam Schein said it again yesterday :doh:

Still haven't heard AH come out and say those words yet. In fact he's already said he will do what they want and not be a distraction... so where does this BS keep coming from?[/quote]

they should be more accurate and say he said he doesnt want to play nose tackle in a 3-4.

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[quote=Mattyk;678466]Hell I keep hearing about how he doesn't want to play the 3-4. Adam Schein said it again yesterday :doh:

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Werd, I'm pretty sure he said playing DE in the 3-4 would be like playing DT in the 4-3, so no big deal. I mean I'm sure he doesn't want to play nose but whatever.

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[quote=over the mountain;678477]they should be more accurate and say he said he doesnt want to play nose tackle in a 3-4.[/quote]

NT is what I meant, just left it out

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[quote=Mattyk;678466]Hell I keep hearing about how he doesn't want to play NT in the 3-4. Adam Schein said it again yesterday :doh:

Still haven't heard AH come out and say those words yet. In fact he's already said he will do what they want and not be a distraction... so where does this BS keep coming from?[/quote]

AH has publically said he doesn't feel its the best use of him before saying he would do what they ask. thats a "PC" way of saying - "there's no way hell i want to play NT, but i'm under contract so i dont really have a choice."

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[quote=Mattyk;678466]Hell I keep hearing about how he doesn't want to play NT in the 3-4. Adam Schein said it again yesterday :doh:

Still haven't heard AH come out and say those words yet. In fact he's already said he will do what they want and not be a distraction... so where does this BS keep coming from?[/quote]

It demonstrates just how nerve-racking the media can become at times when they zero in on a target. Someone in the organization, be it players or coaches have had to daily answer the same questions about Haynesworth.

Maybe he has become such an easy target because of his contract. Perhaps they envy him because it's him and not them.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;678375][B]Adapt the defense to fit the personnel[/B]??

Holy crap!!! I just saw a flying pig.[/quote]
..........That'll never work.........

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[quote=Hog1;678515]..........That'll never work.........[/quote]

i knew greg blache had an account here!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;678458]Just a quick question. Why does the media conviently seem to forget that in the Haynesworth "scandal" Shanahan said he respected Haynesworth for coming to him? All I keep hearing is the part where he says he strongly disagrees with the decision which gets turned into a huge riff.[/quote]

Is that what they're saying on the radio? Haven't really heard. Online at least I've seen the whole quote printed

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;678519]i knew greg blache had an account here![/quote]

Not anymore he doesn't

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[quote=SmootSmack;678538]Is that what they're saying on the radio? Haven't really heard. Online at least I've seen the whole quote printed[/quote]

Jason Reid is one of the few people I've seen show the whole quote. Guys like JLC however (go figure) have only talked about the "very disappointed part" though he's not the only one to do that, just the one I can easily remember off the top of my head.

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I was wanting us to switch to a 3-4 simply because I was sick and tired of the opposite extreme we had last year. That "bend but don't break" defense we had was no different than playing the prevent defense but starting it out in the first quarter.I hate the prevent period and think it has no place in football. For sure our personal is better suited for the 4-3. I just want a more aggressive 4-3. As long as our corners are with in 10 yards of the receivers (preferably less) I think most people will be happy. On a side note.... Carlos Rogers needs to stop whining and learn how to catch.

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[quote=BlindReckoning;678571]I was wanting us to switch to a 3-4 simply because I was sick and tired of the opposite extreme we had last year. That "bend but don't break" defense we had was no different than playing the prevent defense but starting it out in the first quarter.I hate the prevent period and think it has no place in football. For sure our personal is better suited for the 4-3. I just want a more aggressive 4-3. As long as our corners are with in 10 yards of the receivers (preferably less) I think most people will be happy. On a side note.... Carlos Rogers needs to stop whining and learn how to catch.[/quote]

From what I've read Haslett and Slowik both believe getting pressure on the QB is paramount to getting turnovers. I think we'll see a more aggressive defense with Blache gone. I'm looking forward to it!