Mayock Thinks Redskins Could Pass on Okung...
 

and take Trent Williams

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(he stole my thought!)

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[quote=Lil Wyte;685504]They always be askin what is crack cocaine crack cocaine frys ur brain crack cocaine keep me pocket change[/quote]

Haven't heard that song for a while but it certainly fits how I feel about this "thought."

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id prefer if we could move down a bit and pick up an extra pick or two i we were gonna reach value-wise on Williams.

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When did this guy become so heralded? It's like before I was hearing about him as a nice Right Tackle prospect. Now he's easily considered by many as the second best tackle prospect. The draft process really confuses me and makes my head hurt.

In the end though I think the opinion of only one man should matter and that is Orakpo.

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This is what I have been talking about. People (media pundits) saying Okung may not be the best fit and that there are other draft picks that are better suited for the zone blocking scheme. But I was politely told I was incorrect and that we should get Okung.

Now what you people gotta say, Hmmmm? LOL. :)

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Trade down a few spots and get Williams, plus another pick, no problem.

Passing Okung for Williams, not a good idea. Williams may be a bit faster, and a little quicker. But Okung has 2" longer arms (36 in.) and benched 225 38 times vs. 23 for Williams. I don't see Okung having any issues in a Zone Blocking scheme and like to have a guy that can physically man-handle a DE or rush OLB one-on-one.

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williams would be a reach at 4. trade down if we want him if at all possible.

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You are good SmootSmack. Real good.

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Watch some games on Trent Williams, and then watch the Okung games...Not a freakin chance hes as good as Okung. This Williams kid looks like a RT, his kick slide is horrible and he looks really slow...This guy is rising up the boards from a combine that takes place in shorts and T's..The game tapes tell the story.....Mayock can suck it!!!!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-icEPTOeKhk&feature=related]YouTube - LT Trent Williams Highlights/Lowlights 2009 Oklahoma[/url] (Williams)

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd2dzpYGoA4]YouTube - LT Russell Okung Highlights/Lowlights 2009/2008 Oklahoma State[/url] (Okung)

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;685520]Watch some games on Trent Williams, and then watch the Okung games...Not a freakin chance hes as good as Okung. This Williams kid looks like a RT, his kick slide is horrible and he looks really slow...This guy is rising up the boards from a combine that takes place in shorts and T's..The game tapes tell the story.....Mayock can suck it!!!!

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-icEPTOeKhk&feature=related"]YouTube - LT Trent Williams Highlights/Lowlights 2009 Oklahoma[/URL] (Williams)

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd2dzpYGoA4"]YouTube - LT Russell Okung Highlights/Lowlights 2009/2008 Oklahoma State[/URL] (Okung)[/quote]

I totally agree. When I watch the tape of Anthony Davis I am just dumbfounded that many analysts put that bum in the top ten. I know that Williams is not Davis, but do these fools even watch game tape. This seems like a no brainer choice, but what do I know?

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[quote=wilsowilso;685522]I totally agree. When I watch the tape of Anthony Davis I am just dumbfounded that many analysts put that bum in the top ten. I know that Williams is not Davis, but do these fools even watch game tape. This seems like a no brainer choice, but what do I know?[/quote]

Davis is much better then we give him credit for. A part of Davis's game that people don't realize is how powerful his punch is, watch the film and notice he can jar guys back with his punch in pass protection. He's also a powerful run blocker when he gets locked on. The things I didn't like about him though were the fact that his footwork was average at times and he wouldn't finish plays.

I personally felt the same way as you do about Davis but in re-watching the "tape" I started to see why he was so highly regarded. I personally like him as my third best tackle these days behind Bulaga.

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At around 0:11 he turns his guy out. This might not look like a fancy play to the casual observer but as my high school D-Line coach told me, if they turn you out one way or the other they beat you.

I hate the screen pass at 0:19. He has a clear shot at a pancake and instead he does this weird turn-launch thing that does only enough to distract the guy for a second.

1:07 just gives up on the play because he's playing backside

1:54 Heres the punch I'm talking about. Watch as the guy gets pushed back around a foot away from the point of contact.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;685514]Trade down a few spots and get Williams, plus another pick, no problem.

Passing Okung for Williams, not a good idea. Williams may be a bit faster, and a little quicker. But Okung has 2" longer arms (36 in.) and benched 225 38 times vs. 23 for Williams. I don't see Okung having any issues in a Zone Blocking scheme and like to have a guy that can physically man-handle a DE or rush OLB one-on-one.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;685514]Trade down a few spots and get Williams, plus another pick, no problem.

Passing Okung for Williams, not a good idea. Williams may be a bit faster, and a little quicker. But Okung has 2" longer arms (36 in.) and benched 225 38 times vs. 23 for Williams. I don't see Okung having any issues in a Zone Blocking scheme and like to have a guy that can physically man-handle a DE or rush OLB one-on-one.[/quote]

This.

Also, at 306 lbs Okung should have no problem w/ zone blocking as he gets coached into it.

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Williams could be the guy if we slide down a bit in round 1 with a trade with the Browns for instance who could send us back their one, a three, and maybe a sixth. We then try to send Haynesworth to Detroit or Tampa Bay for their two and ship Campbell to Oakland or Buffalo for a four. Net result: 1 (from Cleveland), 2 (from Detroit/TB), 3 (from Cleveland), 4, 4 (Buffalo/Oakland), 5, 6 (from Cleveland), and a 7. We suddenly have a full draft again and have added McNabb at QB. It's all good.

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[quote=SkinsfanNTX;685542]Williams could be the guy if we slide down a bit in round 1 with a trade with the Browns for instance who could send us back their one, a three, and maybe a sixth. We then try to send Haynesworth to Detroit or Tampa Bay for their two and ship Campbell to Oakland or Buffalo for a four. Net result: 1 (from Cleveland), 2 (from Detroit/TB), 3 (from Cleveland), 4, 4 (Buffalo/Oakland), 5, 6 (from Cleveland), and a 7. We suddenly have a full draft again and have added McNabb at QB. It's all good.[/quote]


Not sure anyone wants to inherit AH's huge contract, especially if the cap comes back. AH was the dumbest acquisition the Danny has ever done!!!!!!

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Mayock is a great analyst...But im not feelin his opinion here...

Okung should still be our target.

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49ers could be our trading partner, they like Okung.

[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=60824]Niner Insider : The right tackle[/url]

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No way would I want T.Williams at 4 or 14. Complete Right Tackle prospect, he has athleticism, but too many questions about him to lock down the left side. Phil Loadholt was a far superior LT at Oklahoma, and he can't handle the LT spot in Minnesota. Trent completely whiffed on the inside blitz that ruined Bradford's shoulder, and had several mediocre games last year. He was a dominating RT in his junior year, but struggled at LT as a senior.
There are questions about his level of commitment and focus that should draw concern. His freak combine has elevated him far more then his film justifies. Same with B.Campbell, don't buy the hype. Campbell and Williams in the 20s; ok, but no way in the top 10. Workout warriors without solid game film are huge risks.

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A) Okung IS the best Tackle in the draft
B) There is a reason why we want it known to all the teams, media, and fans that we visited with Sam Bradford, Eric Berry, Colt McCoy, and Tim Tebow, yet Okung's visit was kept quiet...Can you say the other guys are used as smoke screens to get the real guy we want who we're trying to not let other teams know we like him
C) Trent Williams played very very little left tackle in college whereas Okung was a 3 year starter on the Left side, we have to replace our LT before we replace/fool around with a RT. Sure Williams is versatile but our real guy is Okung.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;685567]A) Okung IS the best Tackle in the draft
B) There is a reason why we want it known to all the teams, media, and fans that we visited with Sam Bradford, Eric Berry, Colt McCoy, and Tim Tebow, yet Okung's visit was kept quiet...Can you say the other guys are used as smoke screens to get the real guy we want who we're trying to not let other teams know we like him
C) Trent Williams played very very little left tackle in college whereas Okung was a 3 year starter on the Left side, we have to replace our LT before we replace/fool around with a RT. Sure Williams is versatile but our real guy is Okung.[/quote]

This makes lots of sense.

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I thought that this was a good write-up of Okung's strengths and weaknesses

[url=http://seahawksdraft.blogspot.com/2010/01/russell-okung-ot-oklahoma-state.html]Seahawks Draft Blog: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State[/url]

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and keep in mind Mayock may be judging on diff factors, upside, etc

I'm pretty sure he's got McCoy ahead of Suh as well

I've seen in some comments from Broncos fans that they'd expect us to pick Williams since he's more athletic whereas Okung is a bit more smooth and not as strong in the lower body

who knows

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^ we all know that Suh is better than McCoy. I feel that they're just trying to kill time and extend conversations that McCoy is better than Suh. Just look at the texas game. McCoy had 1.5 sacks, Suh had 4.5 sacks. McCoy had 5 tackles. Suh had 12 tackles. McCoy had 2 tackles for loss, Suh had 4 tackles for loss. McCoy had other great Defensive Lineman (Auston English, Adrian Taylor, DeMarcus Granger, Jeremy Beal [future first round pick]) Suh didn't have one other decent player playing with him. Suh was double and sometimes triple-teamed, McCoy was always doubled, occasionally single teamed.

Please draft analyst stop saying McCoy is better, any other year he would be the best DT, but this year he's coming out when arguably the best one in 10-20 years is coming out as well.

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Suh also led his team in tackles. Not bad for a DT.

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If we still have the 4th pick by draft time, it would be a mistake to take anybody but Okooong. You can try to justify taking anybody else you want, but he's the closest to a sure thing we're going to get in this draft.

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[quote=tryfuhl;685576]I thought that this was a good write-up of Okung's strengths and weaknesses

[URL="http://seahawksdraft.blogspot.com/2010/01/russell-okung-ot-oklahoma-state.html"]Seahawks Draft Blog: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State[/URL][/quote]

I'm not sure I get this write-up?

The reviewer says that Okung has long arms but is not very strong, but we know that he put up 38 reps at the combine and scouts were saying that was an absoluetly huge number for a guy with very long arms so I begin to ask myself if this guy really knows what he is talking about?

When I read further and he says he is not impressed with Okung as a pass blocker and then I look at twenty other reviews that place him as the best pass blocking lineman in the draft without question I have to say I'm not so sure this review helps us?

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[quote=wilsowilso;685591]I'm not sure I get this write-up?

The reviewer says that Okung has long arms but is not very strong, but we know that the player put up 38 reps at the combine and scouts were saying that is an absoluetly huge nimber for a guy with very long arms i ask myself if this guy really knows what he is talking about?

When I read further and he says he is not impressed with Okung as a pass blocker and then I look at twenty other eviews that place him as the best pass blocking lineman in the draft without question I have to say I'm not so sure this review helps us?[/quote]

Seems odd to me too. Okung is easily the best OT in the draft IMO.

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The notion that the Redskins hyped up visits with guys like Berry and Bradford yet hid the fact we were meeting with Okungs is far-fetched

Okung's Advantages:

-Familiar with zone-blocking offense
-Can start at LT right away
-Consistent, reliable

Williams' Advantages

-Superior athlete
-Can play both LT and RT (something that really appeals to Shanahan)
-Potentially huge upside (but he seems to have the risk of being a bust)

Williams was considered a top prospect going into this draft but started to slip some as the Sooners struggled

At #4, I think we should go with Okung over Williams. I'd rather go for the sure thing.

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The only way We get Williams is if we swap 1st rd picks w/ Denver and throw in JC for Marshall. If we stay at 4 it's a lock we're taking Okung.

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I don't think we are trading picks anymore. They are gonna take Okung for sure to have a cornerstone piece of the O-Line, and then they are gonna trade players for more picks. Not sure which players, but thats my gut feeling. I like Williams, but Okung is too much of a beast to pass up.

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with having so few picks, we cant afford to miss with #4. We have to take Okung, he has got to be one of the safest picks in the draft.

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Here's the plan:

Trade down, pick up an extra 1st rounder, send that to Denver for Marshall, and still pick up one of the top OL propsects.

Win.

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^^ Championship!!

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[quote=Mattyk;685640]Here's the plan:

Trade down, pick up an extra 1st rounder, send that to Denver for Marshall, and still pick up one of the top OL propsects.

Win.[/quote]

I think I'd pass out from excitement if that happened haha. I think Mcnabb would too if in one day you told him you got him a good young guy to protect his blindside and one of the top 5 wrs in the league to throw the ball to to go along with the targets he already has.

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Oh, it could happen if we were to trade down with someone like San Fran or Seattle. Or we could just swap first round picks with denver and get marshall that way. If we pick in the middle of the first round, we could still get Bulaga, Williams, Davis, and should definitely be able to get Charles Brown, Bruce Campbell and Roger Saffold.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;685549]Not sure anyone wants to inherit AH's huge contract, especially if the cap comes back. AH was the dumbest acquisition the Danny has ever done!!!!!![/quote]

100% agree...while I do like the upside AH presents, it is still a heavy burden financially for us. I don't think we'll be able to move him though...tough situation. 15 days till the draft! I for one and pretty suprised I haven't heard any rumblings about a JC trade...anybody here heard anything about it?

Hoping for a 3rd out of him...but I know that is optimistic on my end.

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[quote=Mattyk;685640]Here's the plan:

Trade down, pick up an extra 1st rounder, send that to Denver for Marshall, and still pick up one of the top OL propsects.

Win.[/quote]

Incredible if this happens...would make me and many others extremely happy!


I'd even go back to the 2nd and perhaps get the OT from USC...I believe his name is Brown....hell i'd even take ducasse if we could get b marsh.

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[quote=wilsowilso;685591]I'm not sure I get this write-up?

The reviewer says that Okung has long arms but is not very strong, but we know that he put up 38 reps at the combine and scouts were saying that was an absoluetly huge number for a guy with very long arms so I begin to ask myself if this guy really knows what he is talking about?

When I read further and he says he is not impressed with Okung as a pass blocker and then I look at twenty other reviews that place him as the best pass blocking lineman in the draft without question I have to say I'm not so sure this review helps us?[/quote]
lower body strength.. talking about him getting pushed back a lot apparently

he watched the tape and analyzed it, I didn't, I don't know.. I think that I only watched one of his games last year, maybe two

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[quote=GusFrerotte;685549]Not sure anyone wants to inherit AH's huge contract, especially if the cap comes back. AH was the dumbest acquisition the Danny has ever done!!!!!![/quote]

the "Danny" didn't done that one. That would be the "Vinnie". Can't have it both ways. Either Danny runs things or he doesn't. He listened to Vinnie and its Vinnie's fault...or Danny makes all the calls so we now have to give credit for the "Danny" going over Shanny's head and getting McNabb.

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I love me some Trent Williams, but I will just present the following evidence without comment:

The main reason we landed Brian Orakpo at no. 13 in the draft last year is because a bunch of teams thought exactly like this: scheme over talent.