Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

I don't think anyone has brought this idea up, if it has, feel free to delete this thread.

Since we got Cooley back and Davis seems like he could have a promising career, why don't we try to trade one of our TEs to the Ravens for Gaither. A straight up trade probably won't work, so I'm sure the teams can throw in some picks to even it out.

For the Ravens:
Apparently, Heap is losing his edge (according to Ravens fans that I know) and he has also had injury problems in the past. I would think that Davis or Cooley could really upgrade their passing game, especially with all the other WRs they now have. It seems like they want to move Gaither to another team anyway, since they are putting Oher at LT and Davis probably has close to the value of a second round pick.

For the Redskins:
The benefits are obvious. Gaither seems to be a solid LT in the league and we have an extra TE. Unless they plan on using a lot of two TE packages (which I assumed was something that Zorn wanted to use) it would make sense to package one of our tight ends to shore up our line.

I wouldn't like to lose either of the TEs, but it seems like we might have one of the worst offensive lines in the league and not many draft picks or free agents to help it out. If we actually did a trade like this, we could still get a tackle in the first round to put him at RT or draft the best player available.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

No to this, cooley for gaither yes . It's the only way Balt even considera this option

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=Dr Do Itch Big;686667]No to this, cooley for gaither yes . It's the only way Balt even considera this option[/quote]


Davis is cheaper and more physically talented. If I were Baltimore, I would rather have him.

I would do the deal for either guy, assuming Gaither isn't planning on quitting football soon.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

no no no we need to keep both of our tight ends to run 2 TE sets and what about an injury like last season? we need the depth

i would take okung over gaither anyways

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=TheBackupKicker;686673]no no no we need to keep both of our tight ends to run 2 TE sets and what about an injury like last season? we need the depth

i would take okung over gaither anyways[/quote]


How can you be so certain that you would rather have Okung. As good as he was until he hits the field he is a ?.

Acording to the site that 30 gut posted, Gaither was the #6 tackle in the league last year. I don't care how good Okung is, there is almost zero chance that a rookie could be that succesful.

I would rather have both of them!

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;686676]How can you be so certain that you would rather have Okung. As good as he was until he hits the field he is a ?.

Acording to the site that 30 gut posted, Gaither was the #6 tackle in the league last year. I don't care how good Okung is, there is almost zero chance that a rookie could be that succesful.

I would rather have both of them![/quote]

okung is the most sure thing in this draft but having Gaither at RT and Okung at LT would give us the best tackles in the league

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

When a young player has a breakout year in limited playing time you don't trade them.

You get the ball to them.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Fred Davis is a KEEPER!! I still think CC will be traded on draft day.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=wilsowilso;686687]When a young player has a breakout year in limited playing time you don't trade them.

You get the ball to them.[/quote]

Even for one of the best tackles in the league when your biggest weakness is tackle?

I am not sure Bmore would do the deal for either guy but I wouldn't think twice about it.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

If Oher is taking over and Gaither is so good, why do we want him and why does Baltoimore want to get rid of him?

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Are you honestly thinking the Ravens would give up a stud lineman for a TE. Or do you mean our 1st round pick too? what am i missing here?

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Remember Shannon Sharpe.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

We only have three TE's on the roster, why would we trade Fred Davis one of the more promising young players we have? There will be other ways to acquire a tackle.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

I would rather trade cooley. Not sure I want Gaither anymore though with the stuff floating around about his work ethic.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Okung>Gaither

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;686688]Fred Davis is a KEEPER!! I still think CC will be traded on draft day.[/quote]

This. If i had just one prediction to make for the rest of the off-season it's Cooley getting traded. He has more trade value than anyone on offense and if Davis is expected to be Shannon Sharpe reloaded, well, you get the idea.

...I think an interesting question is whether Cooley is packaged along w/ JC or something. I mean if we could get another 1st rd pick I'd fall back into line w/ the new regime.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

I love it for both teams!

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Nooo not cooley!

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

No Cooley or Davis for Gaither. Gaither has too many question marks, he doesn't like to workout, his heart is not in the game, etc. Do you wander why the Ravens are shopping him if he's so valuable? They know something and are looking for a trading sucker.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

This is a very deep tight end draft and we're at a point now where Tight Ends are inching closer to running back status (ie important but a the same time easy to find). I mean if Vinny can find two very good TE's then they must be a dime a dozen (by the way I'm not basing it on this). It's unfortunate though, Tight End is my favorite position in all of football.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Tight End has become a very important part of the passing game these days, but the idea that finding two very good Tight Ends easily is a bit of a reach. Look at Cincy, Bmore, KC, Cleveland, and the list goes on i'm sure. I like having both Davis and Cooley on the roster, but for a nice draft pick, I wouldn't mine seeing Cooley go bye bye!

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

I would rather have either TE than Gaither..I am not sold on him....not at that price...if we get their backup TE too...that may be a better deal (of course I am assuming the guy is decent for a backup, I have no clue who it is)

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Let me get this right you want to trade a guy Davis who likes to play football looks like he as alot of potential for Gaither a guy who's rumored to have bad work habits & his heart really isn't in football anymore. Next year Gaither will be a free agent anyway & if Baltimore are looking to trade him, there's a fair chance they will cut him if there are no takers.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

I wonder if New England would give us a #2 pick for a TE. They have like 3 of them and are suposedly shopping for a TE. This is not a rumor I read...just wondering.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=celts32;686746]I wonder if New England would give us a #2 pick for a TE. They have like 3 of them and are suposedly shopping for a TE. This is not a rumor I read...just wondering.[/quote]

I would give up my #4 for all of their 3 #2's. But i would only do it on draft day not before.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Gaither has too many question marks as far as I am concerned to risk Cooley or Davis. I am not sure if he would fit into the ZBS as he is so big and apparently injury prone. I would rather take Okung for LT, and find a RT later in the draft or free agency.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;686676]How can you be so certain that you would rather have Okung. As good as he was until he hits the field he is a ?.

Acording to the site that 30 gut posted, Gaither was the #6 tackle in the league last year. I don't care how good Okung is, there is almost zero chance that a rookie could be that succesful.

I would rather have both of them![/quote]
And what would make someone think that Gaither would fit here very well?

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Why is everyone so capricious about getting rid of Cooley? Blasphemous motherfuckers the whole lot of you. Float Haynesworth to a team with a 4-3 for a pick or an o-lineman and cease to let the words "trade" and "Cooley" ever pollute yer filthy pie-holes again.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=Counter-Tre;686773]Why is everyone so capricious about getting rid of Cooley? Blasphemous motherfuckers the whole lot of you. Float Haynesworth to a team with a 4-3 for a pick or an o-lineman and cease to let the words "trade" and "Cooley" ever pollute yer filthy pie-holes again.[/quote]

This is my favorite post of the week.

So good.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Why are we trying to get rid of a pro bowl TE and a up and coming stud TE in Davis. I say we just have to wait and see what happens on draft day. I would rather trade JC and Andre Carter for more picks to aquire a OL in the draft.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=tryfuhl;686766]And what would make someone think that Gaither would fit here very well?[/quote]


He seems to be in the Dockery and M. Williams mold.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;686742]Let me get this right you want to trade a guy Davis who likes to play football looks like he as alot of potential for Gaither a guy who's rumored to have bad work habits & his heart really isn't in football anymore. Next year Gaither will be a free agent anyway & if Baltimore are looking to trade him, there's a fair chance they will cut him if there are no takers.[/quote]

Let me get this right..this is the Fred Davis plummeted in the draft for poor work habits then SLEPT through his first practice. Im glad hes showing potential but he is entering his third season.
I will always hate that we drafted him right before desean jackson, who is a star.
No way at all that gaither gets cut.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

why make a trade for a guy who is lazy and doesn't want to work? let's just draft our own LT and mold the guy.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Carnage,

Besides that first mishap (and I know you've never accidentally over-slept) Fred Davis has done nothing but work, and work hard. Personally, I'd rather trade Cooley. I love the dude, but he's slightly older and would bring more value to the table. If Shanahan will actually use a lot of two TE sets, both as receivers, great. Keep both of them and look for mismatches. Otherwise, we need to trade one to build other, weaker, areas of our team.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

I really don't see how it would be a good idea to lose Cooley OR Davis. Assuming Cooley is 100%, under Shannahan's offense, he's a probowler! As for Davis, I would argue that he's AS physicaly gifted, but not MORE physicaly gifted than Cooley, but Cooley DEFINATELY has better hands in the passing game. Though Davis had fewer drops than the 2nd time rookies (Thomas & Kelly) he wasn't as sure handed as Cooley.

That being said, without him, we'd have had fewer wins in Cooley's absense. Why NOT have two great TE's!?!?

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

[quote=Carnage;686781]Let me get this right..this is the Fred Davis plummeted in the draft for poor work habits then SLEPT through his first practice. Im glad hes showing potential but he is entering his third season.
I will always hate that we drafted him right before desean jackson, who is a star.
No way at all that gaither gets cut.[/quote]

GAITHER'S HEART ISN'T IN FOOTBALL so we should trade for him, FD messed up his first year at the begining & looked good last year you must be related to VC. :smashfrea

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

If I HAD to trade, i guess I'd trade Cooley and hope Fred's hands develope. That's only because i think we can get more with Cooley as bait. But i don't want to trade Cooley! he's too good! he's not old for a TE, hes in his prime and if anyone is to reap the benefits, it should be US!

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

From what I have read in the Baltimore Sun, the Ravens might be willing move Gaither because they are fed up with his poor work ethic. So, if the Redskins are thinking that they might be able to pick up two talented young OT's by drafting Okung and trading for Gaither, they need to ask themselves if they want to try to reform Gaither.

Also, is it better to have two talented TE's who are very similar players or two talented young OT's? I would say that it is definitely much better for the team to have the two good young OT's.

Would the Ravens accept a Davis or Cooley for Gaither trade? I doubt it because they already have a good, if declining, TE in Todd Heap and now they have Anquan Boldin who can give them some of the same capabilities that Davis or Cooley would bring.

My bottom line on the whole idea of trading for Gaither is that I would take the risk and even overpay (in trade value) for him if we could put something together that would convince the Ravens to trade him. Then I would draft Okung or another top OT who has the potential to play on the left side. Gaither would start out playing LT and the rookie would play RT. Then , down the road, the Skins would determine whether or not to switch the two. Either way, we would have the critical OLT position covered.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

If we get Gaither GOOD i just don't think we should trade a good player for a player who's heart isn't in it.

Re: Why not Fred Davis for Gaither?
 

Teams don't trade solid young left tackles for tight ends. Sounds great on paper, but Baltimore would never do it.