why no extension?
 

im really starting to like the McNabb trade. but as long as its for at least 3 years. im wondering why there hasn't been a contract extension yet? or am i just getting antsy?

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I think our new management isn't as enamored with shelling out Dan's money in ridiculous sums as the past regimes. My guess is they take more seriously the idea of fiscal responsibility and cap smart contracts. Sort of ironic that it took until there actually wasn't a cap for the FO to finally operate like there is one.

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Could you imagine Vinny without a cap, his eyes would have popped out of his head.

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[quote=FRPLG;686881]I think our new management isn't as enamored with shelling out Dan's money in ridiculous sums as the past regimes. My guess is they take more seriously the idea of fiscal responsibility and cap smart contracts.[B] Sort of ironic that it took until there actually wasn't a cap for the FO to finally operate like there is one[/B].[/quote]

Well said, and I totally agree. Chances are Donovan's agent is trying to steamroll management into a huge contract like we've given past their prime vets in the past, and has come to find out that club isn't in Bruce Allen's bag. I wouldn't be surprised if the perceived "delay" has something to do with the two sides starting negotiations very far apart numbers-wise.

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The Skins better pray that they sign him before the season starts. If he sees our lack of OL talent this season without a new contract he'll be on the first plane out of DC when the season is over.

Don't let this season start without signing him to a new contract. That would be the dumbest thing you could do next to trading a 2nd & (3rd)/4th round pick for him.


If I was McNabb I'd see how this season goes and how the FO plans on outfitting the OL. If they don't draft an OL or offensive help, I'd let this season ride without a new contract and then get on a competitive team next year, a la Brett Favre.

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What the no extension might mean is that Shanny has his eye on a nice young QB to be the franchise guy and Donovan's understudy for a few years, then whammo, bye bye McNabb.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;686904]What the no extension might mean is that Shanny has his eye on a nice young QB to be the franchise guy and Donovan's understudy for a few years, then whammo, bye bye McNabb.[/quote]

Or it could mean that we actually have a FO that won't overpay people and are taking their time.

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Smith said he thought it was in the Redskins’ interest to extend McNabb “because they gave up a high [second-round]” draft pick to the Philadelphia Eagles (plus another choice in 2011) in the trade. The Eagles and Redskins announced the trade on Sunday night.

Contract talks are Smith’s area and that is where his client would like to leave them.

“I don’t focus on that,” McNabb said. “But I do expect to be here, to be here for years to come.”

That seems like the Redskins’ plan as well. They do not view McNabb as a quick fix but as a long-term solution.
this was taken from the redskins official site

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They're probably letting the guy settle in for a bit, they've got time to hammer out a contract with his agent. I'd have to believe that numbers were talked a bit or else we wouldn't have bit on the trade.

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[quote=Ruhskins;686913]Or it could mean that we actually have a FO that won't overpay people and are taking their time.[/quote]

Yes. We've only had McNabb for a week. Chill people, smart extensions take time to work out.

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[quote=tryfuhl;686954]They're probably letting the guy settle in for a bit, they've got time to hammer out a contract with his agent. I'd have to believe that numbers were talked a bit or else we wouldn't have bit on the trade.[/quote]

I agree....We know for sure McNabb didn't come here as a one year rental. There's plenty of time to hammer out an extention despite the uncertainty surrounding the 2011 season. A deal will get done, it's just a matter of when and how much.

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[quote=FRPLG;686881]I think our new management isn't as enamored with shelling out Dan's money in ridiculous sums as the past regimes. My guess is they take more seriously the idea of fiscal responsibility and cap smart contracts. Sort of ironic that it took until there actually wasn't a cap for the FO to finally operate like there is one.[/quote]

Isn't this an idoitic trade if we only have McNabb for 1 season? Then it'll be a one year rental where we gave a 2 and a 3 to a division rival.

If we get McNabb for 3 years or so, I kind of like it. If we get him for 1 year, we've wasted more picks. I don't see how it can be seen another way.

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[quote=redsk1;686970][B]Isn't this an idoitic trade if we only have McNabb for 1 season? [/B] Then it'll be a one year rental where we gave a 2 and a 3 to a division rival.

If we get McNabb for 3 years or so, I kind of like it. If we get him for 1 year, we've wasted more picks. I don't see how it can be seen another way.[/quote]

Yes.

If Vinny had done this he would have been ripped to shreds.

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I know people are sold on the new FO, but I am not sold yet.

As many skeptics have mentioned, the trade reeks of the old DS. Will see the exact details of his contact extension and will reach a conclusion then.

Also waiting on the draft as well. If we draft a WR or something, I will be pissed.

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No rush, he's been here a week.

They're going to get him signed, relax.

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he is playing under a reasonable contract this year, his last year of his contract. if we dont sign him to an extension we can always franchise him to tune of about 20 mil next year.

personally, id like to see how he fits this year and see him play before commiting long term to him.

if nothing gets done, we can franchise him and work on an extension or trade him after this year.

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It's only been 1 week, so no we shouldn't be up in arms, or screaming yet, but if it comes down to franchising him (or whatever exists in a new CBA) then I would still classify this as a fail. McNabb deserves good money, but not 20mill for one year. I don't have any idea what his deal will be, but Smootsmack said something like 25mill for 3 years(not quoting tho), if we end up paying 20 mill for 1 year that would have been a gross miscalculation by the FO.

With all that said, it would shock me if MS/BA have a problem opening DS' wallet to get a long term deal done.

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If we've learned anything so far from the new front office it's that they don't rush things. The decision making seems much more calculated and thought out vs. what we've become accustomed to under Cerrato/Snyder. This is a good thing folks.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't we would be compensated an additional pick or two if McNabb leaves via FA? Just like the Patriots get picks when other teams sign their FA?
Either way I know it will not get to that, McNabb has been sincere when he says he wants to be here. A deal will get worked out.

There have been some huge differences between current FO and our last one.
Getting rid of the dead weight (Smoot, Betts, etc.) was a major message/shakeup to the players.
Offering to trade some of our star players on our roster lets the players know things have changed.
But the most important one is they did not bite on paying a huge sum to a get a Karlos Dansby, Julius Peppers or Antrell Rolle even though there is a need at safety and LB.

Where the true sign of change has to show up is our luck in the draft in getting quality talent at each of our picks.

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[quote=Mattyk;686988]If we've learned anything so far from the new front office it's that they don't rush things. The decision making seems much more calculated and thought out vs. what we've become accustomed to under Cerrato/Snyder. This is a good thing folks.[/quote]

So hopefully no one will be rushing up to the podium as soon as Goodell says, The Redskins are on the clock. Good to know!

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i'd be shocked if we didnt extend McNabb before the start of the regular season. There's no real reason to rush it and leaving things ambiguous only helps us in the draft.

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[quote=Lotus;686955]Yes. We've only had McNabb for a week. Chill people, smart extensions take time to work out.[/quote]

Absolutely. Allen and Shanahan are not stupid enough to give a 2nd and 3rd/4th for a 1-year rental QB.

He'll be extended and will play[U][I] at least [/I][/U]4 good seasons here. Remember, Donovan WANTED to come here. He won't settle for a one-and-done either.

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[quote=Mattyk;686980]No rush, he's been here a week.

They're going to get him signed, relax.[/quote]

Yea, I think so too. Otherwise why would they have done it? I am saying if they don't get it done, then we've made a bad trade.

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[quote=over the mountain;686982]he is playing under a reasonable contract this year, his last year of his contract. if we dont sign him to an extension we can always franchise him to tune of about 20 mil next year.

personally, id like to see how he fits this year and see him play before commiting long term to him.

if nothing gets done, we can franchise him and work on an extension or trade him after this year.[/quote]

If the CBA doesn't get signed then I don't think there is a franchise tag anymore. I not 100% sure but I think those designations are done away with.

The thing is that traditionally most of these trades for players like this are contingent upon them resigning a new contract. Why wasn't that done before pulling the tigger on a deal?

Him being a Redskin for more than this year is paramount so why wasn't that secured during the trade...especially if McNabb is saying that he chose to play in DC? Seems like it could be the sign of a hasty trigger pull on a risky trade.


If there's not risk in the player than it's certainly in the deal that they haven't secured him on paper beyond this year.

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This is interesting. You'd expect a deal to have been already on the table before McNabb 'agreed' to the trade.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;687051]If the CBA doesn't get signed then I don't think there is a franchise tag anymore. I not 100% sure but I think those designations are done away with.

The thing is that traditionally most of these trades for players like this are contingent upon them resigning a new contract. Why wasn't that done before pulling the tigger on a deal?

Him being a Redskin for more than this year is paramount so why wasn't that secured during the trade...especially if McNabb is saying that he chose to play in DC? Seems like it could be the sign of a hasty trigger pull on a risky trade.


If there's not risk in the player than it's certainly in the deal that they haven't secured him on paper beyond this year.[/quote]
I agree with this. I don't understand these Sunday night deals these past two weeks. I understand you want to avoid rumors, or McDaniels/Cutler style rumors and angst, but certainly we should have tried to lock him up first, and if we couldn't than why not?

There is a lot of time to get a deal done, but the best time to have it done was when the trade was announced, or if not, then at least announce that the framework is in place. Right now, this does not seem anywhere near the done deal that some would like it to be.

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[quote=Buster;687001] Remember, Donovan WANTED to come here. He won't settle for a one-and-done either.[/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McNabb deny this during the press conference, saying that it was something you people (the media) dreamed up. That is what I got out of watching it, but I may have heard it wrong. ???

I hope I'm wrong or an extension may be harder than if he chose to be here.

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even if we dont get him signed we can still franchise him

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I thought I read that McNabbs agent has been in talks with the Skins trying to work out a deal? I thought the quote from the agent was they were getting closer but still had a ways to go.

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[quote=steveherrin;687181]Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McNabb deny this during the press conference, saying that it was something you people (the media) dreamed up. That is what I got out of watching it, but I may have heard it wrong. ???

I hope I'm wrong or an extension may be harder than if he chose to be here.[/quote]
It's a sign of respect to the other ball clubs that were looking to trade for him. Apparently our conditional pick was more than most people were offering so that helped us, but you'd better believe he'd rather play here than Buffalo or Oakland.

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The only thing I can think of is that McNabb is asking for a whole lot more than Allen is willing to pay. He is due around 11M this year, and as a top ten QB, it can be expected he will want at least a 4-5yr deal worth a minimum of 50M with a bonus and guaranteed dollars in the 15-25M range. Manning is going to get 20M per, and Brady is looking for a similar contract so McNabb is going to want a huge deal as well.

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[quote=jdc65;687197]The only thing I can think of is that McNabb is asking for a whole lot more than Allen is willing to pay. He is due around 11M this year, and as a top ten QB, it can be expected he will want at least a 4-5yr deal worth a minimum of 50M with a bonus and guaranteed dollars in the 15-25M range. Manning is going to get 20M per, and Brady is looking for a similar contract so McNabb is going to want a huge deal as well.[/quote]

The way I see it Manning got an over priced contract. I would expect his next contract to be lower not just because he's getting older. Just like JC is good but not McNabb level, I'd say McNabb is good but not Manning level.

The money may not be an issue it might be how long the contract is for.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;686894]The Skins better pray that they sign him before the season starts. If he sees our lack of OL talent this season without a new contract he'll be on the first plane out of DC when the season is over.

Don't let this season start without signing him to a new contract. That would be the dumbest thing you could do next to trading a 2nd & (3rd)/4th round pick for him.


If I was McNabb I'd see how this season goes and how the FO plans on outfitting the OL. If they don't draft an OL or offensive help, I'd let this season ride without a new contract and then get on a competitive team next year, a la Brett Favre.[/quote]

Rediculous. McNabb is the Redskins property so he is going nowhere. After this season, without an extension, the franchise desgination will keep him here. However, he will earn more guaranteed money if he extends right now because it will include a $15-20 million dollar bonus I am sure. Still, there are MANY MANY things yet to play out so do not be deceived that you think you know everything that is going on, that you know the future plans of Allen and Shanny, or think that the Redskins are done wheeling and dealing. We now have shrewd operators at the helm of this ship. So just calm down and be patient. You almost sound like a disgruntled Eagles fan actually.

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This thread seems to be filled with a bunch of very young newcomers to football who have no idea who Bruce Allen is or who Mike Shanahan is. Oh they have the heard the names or whatever, but these young guys who are complaining that the Redskins should not have paid a HEFTY price for an ALL PRO quarterback and that McNabb is going to walk after this season....GEEEEEESH. Give me a break.

Bruce Allen...more knowledge and experience in his football family than most coaches will amass in a lifetime. Mike Shanahan...several S.B. rings but MORE important, a quarterback guru. And if thats not enought he brought his son with him who directed the NUMBER 1 passing attack in the NFL last season.

Don't complain about something that you don't understand. Its waaaaaaaaay over your head so just sit back and accept that the past does not equal the present, and Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan do not equal Vinnie Cerrato and Jim Zorn.

These guys do not let the fans or the owners whims run the franchise anymore. It is now in capable hands and this you will see.

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[quote=internetcareer;687224]This thread seems to be[B] filled with a bunch[/B] [B]of very young newcomers to football who have no idea[/B] who Bruce Allen is or who Mike Shanahan is. Oh they have the heard the names or whatever, but these young guys who are complaining that the Redskins should not have paid a HEFTY price for an ALL PRO quarterback and that McNabb is going to walk after this season....GEEEEEESH. Give me a break.

Bruce Allen...more knowledge and experience in his football family than most coaches will amass in a lifetime. Mike Shanahan...several S.B. rings but MORE important, a quarterback guru. And if thats not enought he brought his son with him who directed the NUMBER 1 passing attack in the NFL last season.

[B]Don't complain about something that you don't understand[/B].[B] Its[/B] [B]waaaaaaaaay over your head[/B] so just sit back and accept that the past does not equal the present, and Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan do not equal Vinnie Cerrato and Jim Zorn.

These guys do not let the fans or the owners whims run the franchise anymore. It is now in capable hands and this you will see.[/quote]
thank god your here, so you can explain how this game of football works. get over your- self buddy

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[quote=internetcareer;687221]Rediculous. [B]McNabb is the Redskins property so he is going nowhere.[/B] After this season, without an extension, the franchise desgination will keep him here. However, he will earn more guaranteed money if he extends right now because it will include a $15-20 million dollar bonus I am sure. Still, there are MANY MANY things yet to play out so do not be deceived that you think you know everything that is going on, that you know the future plans of Allen and Shanny, or think that the Redskins are done wheeling and dealing. We now have shrewd operators at the helm of this ship. So just calm down and be patient. [B]You almost sound like a disgruntled Eagles fan actually.[/B][/quote]

???

Actually as of right now, McNabb is an unrestricted free agent after this season which makes signing him so important. If he plays this year, takes a lot of hits and the team doesn't look remotely competitive, what's his incentive on seeing it out with our franchise when there's teams like the Vikings who are Super Bowl ready with a standout QB.

To boot the CBA doesn't have any rules on player tags beyond the 2010 season so we will need to see what happens with that before any real scenarios take place.


BTW, this site functions as a forum of fan discussion. If you're put out by simple assertions from the fans perhaps you've cut your teeth on the wrong board.

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[quote=internetcareer;687224]This thread seems to be filled with a bunch of very young newcomers to football who have no idea who Bruce Allen is or who Mike Shanahan is. Oh they have the heard the names or whatever, but these young guys who are complaining that the Redskins should not have paid a HEFTY price for an ALL PRO quarterback and that McNabb is going to walk after this season....GEEEEEESH. Give me a break.

[B]Bruce Allen...more knowledge and experience in his football family than most coaches will amass in a lifetime. Mike Shanahan...several S.B. rings but MORE important, a quarterback guru. And if thats not enought he brought his son with him who directed the NUMBER 1 passing attack in the NFL last season.[/B]

Don't complain about something that you don't understand. Its waaaaaaaaay over your head so just sit back and accept that the past does not equal the present, and Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan do not equal Vinnie Cerrato and Jim Zorn.

These guys do not let the fans or the owners whims run the franchise anymore. It is now in capable hands and this you will see.[/quote]

I think I heard something similar to this at Sunday's mass.

Sounds eerily familiar to the Holy Trinity.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;687248]I think I heard something similar to this at Sunday's mass.

Sounds eerily familiar to the Holy Trinity.[/quote]

:) The Father, Son, and Holy Bruce?

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[quote=Lotus;687255]:) The Father, Son, and Holy Bruce?[/quote]

Lol...

Don't forget that Shanny gave his only begotten son to coordinate our offense :laughing2

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[quote=Skinny Tee;687246]???

Actually as of right now, McNabb is an unrestricted free agent after this season which makes signing him so important. If he plays this year, takes a lot of hits and the team doesn't look remotely competitive, what's his incentive on seeing it out with our franchise when there's teams like the Vikings who are Super Bowl ready with a standout QB.

To boot the CBA doesn't have any rules on player tags beyond the 2010 season so we will need to see what happens with that before any real scenarios take place.


BTW, this site functions as a forum of fan discussion. If you're put out by simple assertions from the fans perhaps you've cut your teeth on the wrong board.[/quote]

If you think that we won't have him extended before the season I'm not sure what to say.

You have seemed really bitter lately though. I mean I get not having unbridled hopes but you're all doom and gloom right now it seems. I haven't seen a post from you in awhile that credits even one unit, much less side of the ball or whatever.

btw and offtopic, you guys set a date yet?