Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

I want to know what everybody thinks we should do, me personnally do nothing no trades keep everyone we already have. Based on this draft there will be a decent amount of good players let go because some teams drafted best player instead of need IMO. Ala Buffalo, Raiders & Tenn to name a few they made good picks but they have adequate players at those positions already.

HTTR.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

personally, i think this is a good time to expunge some players. get rid of jc, fat al, and whomever isnt going to fit long term plans for this team. granted the values of these guys may be 5ths or later, but..get some value.
hopefully they dont trade for clausen though

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=doughtydoubter;692942]personally, i think this is a good time to expunge some players. get rid of jc, fat al, and whomever isnt going to fit long term plans for this team. granted the values of these guys may be 5ths or later, but..get some value.
hopefully they dont trade for clausen though[/quote]
Are you saying to trade AH for a 5th or later?

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

The only moves I would like to see is JC to someone for a 3rd or high 4th, and possibly Rocky for a 4th. Otherwise, I'm ok with standing pat.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;692946]The only moves I would like to see is JC to someone for a 3rd or high 4th, and possibly Rocky for a 4th. Otherwise, I'm ok with standing pat.[/quote]
This.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;692945]Are you saying to trade AH for a 5th or later?[/quote]

im saying trade him for a 7th if his fat ass doesnt want to be here. i get really sick of players who make 21 milion cry in times like these. If he mans up and doesnt pull his ass muscle too many times this year let him stay. id rather have an average player that plays his heart out every play consistantly, than a player that is a super star that only gives his team 1 out of every 10 plays

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

plus not to mention he has taken over from deion and archuleta the job of poster child for snydernomics - massive over paying for aging, underpreforming, big names. This is everything the redskins are trying to get away from (supposedly) with ms and allen. If you can get value for him, give him the door .

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=doughtydoubter;692942]personally, i think this is a good time to expunge some players. get rid of jc, fat al, and whomever isnt going to fit long term plans for this team. granted the values of these guys may be 5ths or later, but..get some value.
hopefully they dont trade for clausen though[/quote]I'm with you on the "don't trade to draft Clausen" stance but, I think right now we're a better team keeping Campbell, Haynesworth, and McIntosh. They all have issues that can be worked out eventually.

If Campbell sits for a year learning from KS and McNabb, he'll be a UFA next year and he'll be valued as a starting QB more.

McIntosh is just bitter because he has earned an extension and hasn't gotten it, yet. He too will be valued as a starting LB if he plays for this one year tender and becomes a UFA.

Haynesworth wasn't gonna come to voluntary workouts regardless of who's coaching the team, or where he played.

Now, as far as Clausen goes (or any player that's high on the Skins board right now who continues to slip deeper in to round 2 or lower) there's a possibility of trading next year's 'first' or JC/Rocky/AH and a lower pick (2nd rounder or lower) next year to be able to draft that guy. Again this player has to be ranked very high on their board and has fallen into the 2nd or 3rd round today.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=doughtydoubter;692950]im saying trade him for a 7th if his fat ass doesnt want to be here. i get really sick of players who make 21 milion cry in times like these. If he mans up and doesnt pull his ass muscle too many times this year let him stay. id rather have an average player that plays his heart out every play consistantly, than a player that is a super star that only gives his team 1 out of every 10 plays[/quote]

can you show me a quote where he cried? Or stats to back up him only giving 1 out of every 10 plays? Of course I am being facetious, just as you were exaggerating (heavily).

The quote has been presented repeatedly where AH has said he will play whereever he is asked to. And to give away a guy who is a top talent in the league and brings it on the field for a 7th is utter redicularity. Yeah that's not a word, but then giving him up for a 7th isn't really an idea.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=doughtydoubter;692952]plus not to mention he has taken over from deion and archuleta the job of poster child for snydernomics - massive over paying for aging, underpreforming, big names. This is everything the redskins are trying to get away from (supposedly) with ms and allen. [B]If you can get value for him, give him the door .[/B][/quote]
Um, ok, if they can get appropriate value yes, but again a 7th is not appropriate or reasonable value for a starting defensive lineman in the NFL.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=doughtydoubter;692952]plus not to mention he has taken over from deion and archuleta the job of poster child for snydernomics - massive over paying for aging, underpreforming, big names. This is everything the redskins are trying to get away from (supposedly) with ms and allen. [B]If you can get value for him, give him the door [/B].[/quote]

agreed, but if you cant get value for him, you start him at DE. lets not forget he is still one of the best DTs in the game right now.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=diehard;692959]I'm with you on the "don't trade to draft Clausen" stance but, I think right now we're a better team keeping Campbell, Haynesworth, and McIntosh. They all have issues that can be worked out eventually.

If Campbell sits for a year learning from KS and McNabb, he'll be a UFA next year and he'll be valued as a starting QB more.

McIntosh is just bitter because he has earned an extension and hasn't gotten it, yet. He too will be valued as a starting LB if he plays for this one year tender and becomes a UFA.

Haynesworth wasn't gonna come to voluntary workouts regardless of who's coaching the team, or where he played.

Now, as far as Clausen goes (or any player that's high on the Skins board right now who continues to slip deeper in to round 2 or lower) [B]there's a possibility of trading next year's 'first' or JC/Rocky/AH and a lower pick (2nd rounder or lower) next year to be able to draft that guy[/B]. Again this player has to be ranked very high on their board and has fallen into the 2nd or 3rd round today.[/quote]

Wait, are you suggesting we trade a 1st rounder next year or JC OR Rocky OR AH and a lower pick for a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year? I just want to make sure because that doesn't seem like a sound drafting philosophy

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

wants: get 4ths for jc, rocky. mid 2nd for AH, if not, let him play.

not want: trades up to get clausen.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;692935]I want to know what everybody thinks we should do, me personnally do nothing no trades keep everyone we already have. Based on this draft there will be a decent amount of good players let go because some teams drafted best player instead of need IMO. Ala Buffalo, Raiders & Tenn to name a few they made good picks but they have adequate players at those positions already.

HTTR.[/quote]

Since we won't be on the clock again until Saturday I'm going to get some work done around the house, listen for any potential trade opportunities and keep watch on a couple other players of which I have an interest.

I'm really not that concerned with what other teams do past the first two rounds. I'll just be content to read about it and not spend so much time watching.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Really, Campbell is the only one I'd want to see traded. I think he'd be a great back up, but I also think he should be able to go do something and he'll be gone next year anyways, so we mine as well get somehting for him. We wont get value for AH or McIntosh, so I have no interest in seeing them traded. I guess if we were to trade a tight end for a 2nd (and only a 2nd, which I doublt we'd get), I would be OK with it, only because thats a position where we actually have two starters and one spot. Not saying I'd want to see Cooley or Davis elsewhere, but I would be OK with that if we did it to get back into the second round and take anotehr linemen. That being said, I dont think we'd get a 2nd anwyays. So trade JC for hopefully a 4th or high 3rd if we can, and thats about it. I'm not interested in trading away any of next years picks.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=doughtydoubter;692952]plus not to mention he has taken over from deion and archuleta the job of poster child for snydernomics - massive over paying for aging, underpreforming, big names. This is everything the redskins are trying to get away from (supposedly) with ms and allen. [B]If you can get value for him, give him the door[/B] .[/quote]SS mentioned that's what the FO was working on, but a 7th certainly isn't value. I'm not letting AH go for less than a 2nd & 3rd this year or a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year. The guy is an impact player and one of the top DTs in football, for 66% of the defensive snaps each season.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=diehard;692959]I'm with you on the "don't trade to draft Clausen" stance but, I think right now we're a better team keeping Campbell, Haynesworth, and McIntosh. They all have issues that can be worked out eventually.

If Campbell sits for a year learning from KS and McNabb, [B]he'll be a UFA next year and he'll be valued as a starting QB more.[/B]

McIntosh is just bitter because he has earned an extension and hasn't gotten it, yet. [B]He too will be valued as a starting LB if he plays for this one year tender and becomes a UFA.[/B]

Haynesworth wasn't gonna come to voluntary workouts regardless of who's coaching the team, or where he played.

Now, as far as Clausen goes (or any player that's high on the Skins board right now who continues to slip deeper in to round 2 or lower) there's a possibility of trading next year's 'first' or JC/Rocky/AH and a lower pick (2nd rounder or lower) next year to be able to draft that guy. Again this player has to be ranked very high on their board and has fallen into the 2nd or 3rd round today.[/quote]If these guys just stay with their 1 yr. tenders and are UFAs next year, how does that help us? They go into the open market and we get nothing for them. Or they become more valuable and we have to pay more to keep them.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;692946]The only moves I would like to see is JC to someone for a 3rd or high 4th, and possibly Rocky for a 4th. Otherwise, I'm ok with standing pat.[/quote]

This, except I would be up for trading AH following this advice:

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;693002]SS mentioned that's what the FO was working on, but a 7th certainly isn't value. I'm not letting AH go for less than a 2nd & 3rd this year or a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year. The guy is an impact player and one of the top DTs in football, for 66% of the defensive snaps each season.[/quote]

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

If they decide to trade AH I would seek a trade with the Rams for the 33rd pick (1st 2nd round pick) and either their 3rd or 4th rounder.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;693004]If these guys just stay with their 1 yr. tenders and are UFAs next year, how does that help us? They go into the open market and we get nothing for them. Or they become more valuable and we have to pay more to keep them.[/quote]

These aren't the only guys in the league playing under a one year tender. Besides, if they prove their worth, the team will give them an extension before they hit the market.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

I read the Peter King article, as fun as he is to hate, it's a good article. His point about McDaniels/Tebow is 100% spot-on.

I really would love to see Clausen go to Minn at 34. Great situation for him. Excellent OL, Excellent RB, quality WRs, Excellent D. He'll likely have a year to sit behind Favre and is leverage for the Vikes if Favre plays his yearly "should I stay or should I go" routine.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;693011]If they decide to trade AH I would seek a trade with the Rams for the 33rd pick (1st 2nd round pick) and either their 3rd or 4th rounder.[/quote]

Seems fair.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;693011]If they decide to trade AH I would seek a trade with the Rams for the 33rd pick (1st 2nd round pick) and either their 3rd or 4th rounder.[/quote]

that'd be sweeeeeeeet.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;693002]SS mentioned that's what the FO was working on, but a 7th certainly isn't value. I'm not letting AH go for less than a 2nd & 3rd this year or a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year. The guy is an impact player and one of the top DTs in football, for 66% of the defensive snaps each season.[/quote]

Smoot said a team interested in AH was only offering a 7th round pick? I didn't see that anywhere and i find a hard time to believe thats true. i must have misunderstood your post. could you clarify?

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693023]Smoot said a team interested in AH was only offering a 7th round pick? I didn't see that anywhere and i find a hard time to believe thats true. i must have misunderstood your post. could you clarify?[/quote]
doughtydoubter had said he would give up AH for a 7th round pick. That is what the response was about.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;693026]doughtydoubter had said he would give up AH for a 7th round pick. That is what the response was about.[/quote]

wow. that's the retarded thing i've read in a long time.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Are you guys sure that it is within the rules to trade players for picks while the draft is being conducted? I ask because I can't recall seeing that happen.

Or, would this be a case where a deal is agreed to and the original team on the clock would select a player for the team with which they are dealing and then the trade would be made after the draft is concluded?

To answer the OP's question, if a player or players the Skins really want slips from second or third round to the fourth or fifth round, then I'd hope that the Skins would try to deal JC and/or Rocky for a fourth or fifth round pick to get the player(s) they want. I say that because it seems clear that JC and Rocky are not in the Skins' plans as starters.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;693031]Are you guys sure that it is within the rules to trade players for picks while the draft is being conducted? I ask because I can't recall seeing that happen.

Or, would this be a case where a deal is agreed to and the original team on the clock would select a player for the team with which they are dealing and then the trade would be made after the draft is concluded?[/quote]

Yes. The Chargers sent the Broncos a LB in a draft trade last night.

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[B]Chargers receive:[/B]
» First-round pick (No. 12):
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/ryan-mathews?id=497188"]Ryan Mathews[/URL]
» Fourth-round pick (No. 110)
» Sixth-round pick (No. 173)
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[B]Dolphins receive:[/B]
» Linebacker [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/timdobbins/profile?id=DOB283610"]Tim Dobbins[/URL]
» First-round pick (No. 28):
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/jared-odrick?id=496835"]Jared Odrick[/URL]
» Second-round pick (No. 40)
» Fourth-round pick (No. 126)
















I can't believe now many trades the Broncos did last night!


I am hoping that's us today and we can pick up some 2nd and/or 3rd-round choices.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=Buster;693034]Yes. The Chargers sent the Broncos a LB in a draft trade last night.

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[B]Chargers receive:[/B]
» First-round pick (No. 12):
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/ryan-mathews?id=497188"]Ryan Mathews[/URL]
» Fourth-round pick (No. 110)
» Sixth-round pick (No. 173)
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[B]Dolphins receive:[/B]
» Linebacker [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/timdobbins/profile?id=DOB283610"]Tim Dobbins[/URL]
» First-round pick (No. 28):
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/jared-odrick?id=496835"]Jared Odrick[/URL]
» Second-round pick (No. 40)
» Fourth-round pick (No. 126)
















I can't believe now many trades the Broncos did last night!


I am hoping that's us today and we can pick up some 2nd and/or 3rd-round choices.[/quote]

Thanks, Buster.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Haynesworth is staying for sure now.

The Lions and Titans were interested and both selected D-Linemen. Also, Fisher said outright that the talks about Big Al are over.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

How about trading Haynesworth, McIntosh, and Campbell for 2011 picks. A team will give up a second rounder in '11 for Haynesworth, they could probably get a fourth for McIntosh and Campbell could be had for a fifth. If we can get some picks for next year's draft it would give us more ammo to make trades to build our team in Shanahan's image for the future.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Miss my post? The two teams interested in Hayesworth are no longer interested.

He's staying...as he should. Haynesworth is an anchor for the defense. Opponents have to double-team him. If they don't, they're in trouble. However, when they do, they can't also double-team Orakpo. One of the other gets through most plays.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;693011]If they decide to trade AH I would seek a trade with the Rams for the 33rd pick (1st 2nd round pick) and either their 3rd or 4th rounder.[/quote]

Jason Reid blogging for Redskins Insider & the WashPost finally after about 20 blogs to the contrary over a six week span, admitted this morning that Albert Haynesworth is no longer on the trading block. It was clear that if the decision to trade him was made, it would be for no less than a 1st round pick.

In essence, they had no real desire to trade him because they knew it would be highly unlikely any team was going to give up a first for him.

I kidd Jason that I'm still interested in that property he knows for sale in Arizona for anyone who though the Redskins had no intention of trading him.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

I'm sure skins FO is frantically on the phone trying to move up. At least this is what JLC believes to be true.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=tootergray34;693044]I'm sure skins FO is frantically on the phone trying to move up. At least this is what JLC believes to be true.[/quote]

I trust him, he was on top of things last night.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=Longtimefan;693043]Jason Reid blogging for Redskins Insider & the WashPost finally after about 20 blogs to the contrary over a six week span, admitted this morning that Albert Haynesworth is no longer on the trading block. It was clear that if the decision to trade him was made, it would be for no less than a 1st round pick.

In essence, they had no real desire to trade him because they knew it would be highly unlikely any team was going to give up a first for him.

I kidd Jason that I'm still interested in that property he knows for sale in Arizona for anyone who though the Redskins had no intention of trading him.[/quote]

Good. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him and give him away. The FO will have patch things up with him.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=tootergray34;693044]I'm sure skins FO is frantically on the phone trying to move up. At least this is what JLC believes to be true.[/quote]

Move up to where to do what?.......Exactly!

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;693047]Good. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him and give him away. The FO will have patch things up with him.[/quote]

I think they will. It would be the right thing to do after all we've invested in him. I'm reasonably sure the decision on Haynesworth was ultimately made by the man who had just paid him 21 mil.$ on the 1st of April.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

I agree with that, unless we traded him for a pick in 2011, which just wouldnt make sense. Our best option is to keep him, hope he gets in line and plays well in the scheme. if he doesnt, we can try to trade him next year.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

I've been thinking that the only 2 teams that need a veteran QB or a QB of the future are Oakland and Buffalo. They sit at 41 and 39 respectively and still have their entire draft to work with if they want to jump to snatch one. Both Claussen and McCoy are still available. This leads me to believe both teams are going to get their QB and it is not necessary to trade with us to get JC.

Sorry, but I do not think that there is going to be a trade partner willing to give us what we want for JC even if someone was interested. Looks like he will be cut or backing up McNabb this year. More than likely it will be the latter.