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[url=http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/04/30/louisiana.oil.spill/]Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave - CNN.com[/url]

man, what a f'ing mess

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[quote=Mattyk;696971][url=http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/04/30/louisiana.oil.spill/]Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave - CNN.com[/url]

man, what a f'ing mess[/quote]

Wow...

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[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/29/expanding-oil-slick-poses-political-peril-obama/?page=2]Obama threatened by heckuva glob - Washington Times[/url]

Obama's Katrina says conservatives.

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BP needs to get there ass in gear and take care of this bullsh*t yesterday. Being that their as of DEC 2009 the 5th most profitable business in the world, they should afford be able to contain this, but these piss poor bastards cant even stop the leak at this point. Its really unbelievable they are not prepared to deal accidents, because they do happen. I hope with the "drill baby drill" mantra in Va being spewed, the Governor will take a look at this disaster and hold the companies to a higher safety standards and get assurance when accidents do happen the response is better than this.

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[quote=Chico23231;696985]... I hope with the "drill baby drill" mantra in Va being spewed, the Governor will take a look at this disaster and hold the companies to a higher safety standards and get assurance when accidents do happen the response is better than this.[/quote]

BreakingNews

Update: White House says no offshore drilling will be allowed in new areas until review of oil spill off La. coast - Reuters

via twitter

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[quote=Chico23231;696985]BP needs to get there ass in gear and take care of this bullsh*t yesterday. Being that their as of DEC 2009 the 5th most profitable business in the world, they should afford be able to contain this, but these piss poor bastards cant even stop the leak at this point. Its really unbelievable they are not prepared to deal accidents, because they do happen. [B]I hope with the "drill baby drill" mantra in Va being spewed[/B], the Governor will take a look at this disaster and hold the companies to a higher safety standards and get assurance when accidents do happen the response is better than this.[/quote]

Bill Maher had a funny tweet yesterday:

Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty

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Some how this will affect prices at the pump, I can see it all ready.

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via twitter

BP’s chief executive says, 'We are taking full responsibility for the spill and we will clean it up' –Reuters 4 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarters

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NASA satellite images of spill.
[IMG]http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/43000/43846/gulf_tmo_2010119_1.jpg[/IMG]

and

[IMG]http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/43000/43846/gulf_tmo_2010119_2.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;697003]via twitter

BP’s chief executive says, 'We are taking full responsibility for the spill and we will clean it up' –Reuters 4 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarters[/quote]

How about they just stop the f*cking leak...jesus this happend like a week ago...how are they not prepared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My absolute basic expectation..if you drill a f*cking hole you can plug it up.

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[quote=Chico23231;697006]How about they just stop the f*cking leak...jesus this happend like a week ago...how are they not prepared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My absolute basic expectation..if you drill a f*cking hole you can plug it up.[/quote]

Get real dude, we aren't talking about a garden hose. The hole is at the bottom of the Gulf, you don't just go and put a band-aid on it like it was a little boo-boo. But I guess in our good ole' instant society, of which I am a happy member, it should have been done yesterday.

Check the facts on how much pressure this oil is under, or how deep it is. A tragic example, is the mining explosion, they weren't able to just go rushing in to try and save those guys, they had to account for what nature was doing.

I am not defending BP, I don't really know how long it would take a super well prepared team to go and stop the spill, but somehow, your basic expectation seems simply unrealistic.

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Here is an interesting article on what is being done. It is from 4 days ago, so there are newer details I am sure:

[url=http://www.winknews.com/National-World/2010-04-26/Robot-Plugging-Gulf-Oil-Spill]Robot plugging Gulf oil spill[/url]

[quote]Crews are using robot submarines to activate valves at the well head in hopes of cutting off the leak, which threatens the Gulf Coast's fragile ecosystem of shrimp, fish, birds and coral. If the effort fails, they'll have to start drilling again.

The submarine work will take 24 to 36 hours, Doug Suttles, chief operating officer for BP Exploration and Production, said Sunday afternoon. "I should emphasize this is a highly complex operation being performed [B]at 5,000 feet below the surface[/B] and it may not be successful," he said.

Oil continued to leak nearly a mile underwater Sunday at the site where the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded on Tuesday. Eleven workers are missing and presumed dead. [B]For the second consecutive day, high waves prevented boats and equipment from going out to clean the spill. Airplanes sprayed chemicals to break up the oil.[/B][/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;697009]Get real dude, we aren't talking about a garden hose. The hole is at the bottom of the Gulf, you don't just go and put a band-aid on it like it was a little boo-boo. But I guess in our good ole' instant society, of which I am a happy member, it should have been done yesterday.

Check the facts on how much pressure this oil is under, or how deep it is. A tragic example, is the mining explosion, they weren't able to just go rushing in to try and save those guys, they had to account for what nature was doing.

I am not defending BP, I don't really know how long it would take a super well prepared team to go and stop the spill, but somehow, your basic expectation seems simply unrealistic.[/quote]

So this is acceptable? WOW...Your talking about a massive company who for massive profits does this all the time claiming they have this advance technology and ability to have limited impact to the environment around them and has a pretty good track record, but accidents do happen. Yes my expectation by now is they should have the ability to stop the leak. Sorry I set high standards when it comes to potential man made environmental disasters.

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Yeah, BP should foot the entire cleanup bill. Politically it just keeps getting better for dems. This should give them cover in axing coast drilling....hopefully they'll use it.

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[quote=Chico23231;697013]So this is acceptable? WOW...Your talking about a massive company who for massive profits does this all the time claiming they have this advance technology and ability to have limited impact to the environment around them and has a pretty good track record, but accidents do happen. Yes my expectation by now is they should have the ability to stop the leak. Sorry I set high standards when it comes to potential man made environmental disasters.[/quote]

It would be unacceptable if all efforts were not being undertaken to stop the leak, and clean it up. Or if the company said my bad so sad. From what I can see, they have taken full responsibity AND have been mobilized around the clock since it happened. I tell you what, if you can answer how it could have been done differently, or what action they failed to take than your opinion might have some validity, but to say that just because x number of days has passed it ought to be stopped, ignores the reality of the situation. It's like the Madden version of environmental emergency response.

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[quote=saden1;697015]Yeah, BP should foot the entire cleanup bill. Politically it just keeps getting better for dems. This should give them cover in axing coast drilling....hopefully they'll use it.[/quote]

Both BP and Pres Obama have said that BP will foot the entire bill. Hopefully, they will not use that as political cover. The eco-nuts used 3mile island as "political cover" to effectively shutdown nuclear energy and now we are decades behind where we could have been.
[url=http://www.ambafrance-us.org/climate/frances-nuclear-power-experience/]France's Nuclear Power Experience | France - Addressing the Challenge of Climate Change[/url]
[quote]Nuclear production and safety

Reaching a power capacity of 63 gigawatts, the nuclear plants operated by the French utility EDF account for nearly 80% of French generated electricity. The competitiveness of nuclear electricity and the large volume of baseload electricity generated in France enable exports to other European countries, making EDF the world’s largest net exporter of electric power.
The 40 year experience of industrial operation of nuclear energy has provided France with a demanding and high quality safety culture. The Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN), which is responsible for regulating nuclear safety and radiation protection in order to protect workers, the public and the environment from the risks involved in nuclear activities, was established as an independent body.[/quote]

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[quote=saden1;697015]Yeah, BP should foot the entire cleanup bill. [B]Politically it just keeps getting better for dems[/B]. This should give them cover in axing coast drilling....hopefully they'll use it.[/quote]Not necessarily.....

"Last month, Obama proposed new offshore drilling in the Atlantic Ocean from Delaware to central Florida, plus the northern waters of Alaska. Obama also wanted Congress to lift a drilling ban in the oil-rich eastern Gulf of Mexico, 125 miles from Florida beaches. Drilling already takes place in western and central areas of the Gulf of Mexico."

I believe BP is responsible for the entire cleanup bill based on laws enacted after the Valdez spill.

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[quote=Mattyk;696989]Bill Maher had a funny tweet yesterday:

Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty[/quote]I guess Obama better get headed to the Gulf Coast. see above post

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696976][URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/29/expanding-oil-slick-poses-political-peril-obama/?page=2"]Obama threatened by heckuva glob - Washington Times[/URL]

Obama's Katrina says conservatives.[/quote]

Do you read stuff and put your own words to what you read. It was the news paper saying that people will compare this to Katrina and they did not say that any coservatives had made this comparison. Learn how to read.

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I'm glad BP is slated to foot the cleanup bill. Not sure this has an impact to "proposals." What Obama proposed is nowhere near actionable so there is time to reverse. All he has to do is say "After this disaster we'll going to re-think these proposals." Plus Dems haven't passed laws allowing for off-shore drilling yet. Whatever happens you can bet the GOP will oppose them.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;697025]I guess Obama better get headed to the Gulf Coast. see above post[/quote]

HAHAHAHA! Try to blame Obama for this mess, just try it. No more drilling around here. There are plenty of oil reserves in the deserts of the world we don't ahve to destroy our precious gulf coast. Just pay for the oil you want instead fo assssinating presidentrs and trying to colonize Arabia.

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[quote=Chico23231;696985]BP needs to get there ass in gear and take care of this bullsh*t yesterday. Being that their as of DEC 2009 the 5th most profitable business in the world, they should afford be able to contain this, but these piss poor bastards cant even stop the leak at this point. Its really unbelievable they are not prepared to deal accidents, because they do happen. I hope with the "drill baby drill" mantra in Va being spewed, the Governor will take a look at this disaster and hold the companies to a higher safety standards and get assurance when accidents do happen the response is better than this.[/quote]

Did you even read the article and all that BP is doing to contain and clean this up. The reason the leak is so bad is that a safty valve that is supose to cut off the oil failed. If we find out that is because BP did not maitain the equipment then bash away but until you actuall have some facts stop making stuff up.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;697036]HAHAHAHA! Try to blame Obama for this mess, just try it. No more drilling around here. There are plenty of oil reserves in the deserts of the world we don't ahve to destroy our precious gulf coast. [B]Just pay for the oil you want [/B]instead fo assssinating presidentrs and trying to colonize Arabia.[/quote]

So you are content with $5-$10/gallon gas, or would that be the man trying to oppress the world. Yes you are right, we should not try to use the resources available in our own sphere of influence, silly politicians...

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[quote=saden1;697034]I'm glad BP is slated to foot the cleanup bill. Not sure this has an impact to "proposals." Obama proposed is nowhere near actionable so there is time to reverse. All he has to do is say "After this disaster we'll going to re-think these proposals." Plus Dems haven't passed laws allowing for off-shore drilling yet. Whatever happens can bet the GOP will oppose them.[/quote]

Well as a person who is for offshore drilling I want a full investigation into this accident and how to prevent this from happening again before they start drilling off VA.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;697023]Both BP and Pres Obama have said that BP will foot the entire bill. Hopefully, they will not use that as political cover. [B]The eco-nuts used 3mile island as "political cover" to effectively shutdown nuclear energy and now we are decades behind where we could have been. [/B]
[URL="http://www.ambafrance-us.org/climate/frances-nuclear-power-experience/"]France's Nuclear Power Experience | France - Addressing the Challenge of Climate Change[/URL][/quote]

I dig "no tough standards and regulation no nuclear power plants or off-shore drilling...coal mines with safty violations shouldn't be allowed to operate." You?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;697036]HAHAHAHA! Try to blame Obama for this mess, just try it. No more drilling around here. There are plenty of oil reserves in the deserts of the world we don't ahve to destroy our precious gulf coast. Just pay for the oil you want instead fo assssinating presidentrs and trying to colonize Arabia.[/quote]

Dude once again you need to read before you post. SS was just responding to this comment and did not blame anything on Obama.

Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;697025]I guess Obama better get headed to the Gulf Coast. see above post[/quote]

If the shoe fits I've got no problem, just thought the tweet was funny, wasn't taking sides

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[quote=saden1;697042]I dig "no tough standards and regulation no nuclear power plants or off-shore drilling...coal mines with safety violations shouldn't be allowed to operate." You?[/quote]

Set solid standards, regulate "appropriately", penalize those who fail to meet standards, and utilize our resources effectively. Seems like a rational policy could be achieved. No?

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[quote=Mattyk;697044]If the shoe fits I've got no problem, just thought the tweet was funny, wasn't taking sides[/quote]I'm with you, this really shouldn't turn into a huge political debate. We've got a major ecological disaster on our hands, let's get all resources necessary to handle the problem and worry about the who/what/why later.

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[quote=firstdown;697041]Well as a person who is for offshore drilling I want a full investigation into this accident and how to prevent this from happening again before they start drilling off VA.[/quote]agreed 100%

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;697048]Set solid standards, regulate "appropriately", penalize those who fail to meet standards, and utilize our resources effectively. Seems like a rational policy could be achieved. No?[/quote]

In light of the havoc disasters wreck a better policy IMO would be "set rigorous standards, regulate strongly, and penalize severely those who fail to meet standards, and utilize our resources effectively." There is no excuse to cut corners in these matters.

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[quote=saden1;697053]In light of the havoc disasters wreck a better policy IMO would be "set rigorous standards, regulate strongly, and penalize severely those who fail to meet standards, and utilize our resources effectively." There is no excuse to cut corners in these matters.[/quote]

Ok .

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[quote=saden1;697053]In light of the havoc disasters wreck a better policy IMO would be "set rigorous standards, regulate strongly, and penalize severely those who fail to meet standards, and utilize our resources effectively." There is no excuse to cut corners in these matters.[/quote]
I'm sure the goverment has regulation after regulation and I would not be surprised if there is not a goverment official on each offshore rig. I have a buddy who has done some work on offshore riggs and when I see him I have a bunch of questions I want to ask him. He does not work for an oil company but he is one of the top guys brought in when they have something like this and he watches over the diver crews to make sure they a safe and follow all the safty rules.

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[quote=firstdown;697038]Did you even read the article and all that BP is doing to contain and clean this up. The reason the leak is so bad is that a safty valve that is supose to cut off the oil failed. If we find out that is because BP did not maitain the equipment then bash away but until you actuall have some facts stop making stuff up.[/quote]

making stuff up? I can bash whoever I want and "the leak is so bad" is not an acceptable excuse.

There asking the government for help now, that could be another disaster.

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[quote=Chico23231;697066]making stuff up? [B]I can bash whoever I want [/B]and "the leak is so bad" is not an acceptable excuse.

There asking the government for help now, that could be another disaster.[/quote]

logical and rational debate in the United States is alive and well. Hallelujah

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;697024]Not necessarily.....

"Last month, Obama proposed new offshore drilling in the Atlantic Ocean from Delaware to central Florida, plus the northern waters of Alaska. Obama also wanted Congress to lift a drilling ban in the oil-rich eastern Gulf of Mexico, 125 miles from Florida beaches. Drilling already takes place in western and central areas of the Gulf of Mexico."

I believe BP is responsible for the entire cleanup bill based on laws enacted after the Valdez spill.[/quote]
Which was just a compromise in order to help get the energy reform motions going. This is a live illustration of the costs of compromise when it comes to these things. What if 5 new rigs go up, 3 are built by the same company, have a design flaw and all of them end up failing, or even just two at once?

Meanwhile, just like the bailout, the Republicans will pretend that they never wanted it or pushed for it most likely.

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[quote=firstdown;697041]Well as a person who is for offshore drilling I want a full investigation into this accident and how to prevent this from happening again before they start drilling off VA.[/quote]
replace VA with anywhere

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[quote=tryfuhl;697076]Which was just a compromise in order to help get the energy reform motions going. This is a live illustration of the costs of compromise when it comes to these things. What if 5 new rigs go up, 3 are built by the same company, have a design flaw and all of them end up failing, or even just two at once?

Meanwhile, just like the bailout, the [B]Republicans will pretend that they never wanted it or pushed for it most likely[/B].[/quote]

That will be spinless republicans who like to take the easy way out instead of fighting for what they believe. From what I read it seems we have already learned from this spill and what went wrong. If what I read was correct these oil rigs have to emergency cut off valves. The main valve will autmatically shot off the flow of oil when something goes wrong and that valve failed. The back up valve has to be shot off manually but the rig collapsed around the valve and they cannot reach it. If you remember when this first happened they thought we would just have a small oil spill but now that they cannot shut off these valves it has become a real mess.

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[quote=firstdown;697107]That will be spinless republicans who like to take the easy way out instead of fighting for what they believe. From what I read it seems we have already learned from this spill and what went wrong. If what I read was correct these oil rigs have to emergency cut off valves. The main valve will autmatically shot off the flow of oil when something goes wrong and that valve failed. The back up valve has to be shot off manually but the rig collapsed around the valve and they cannot reach it. If you remember when this first happened they thought we would just have a small oil spill but now that they cannot shut off these valves it has become a real mess.[/quote]

Bash BP hell yeah...
If the rig does not fail, BP profits. But when a mistake happens it affects us all.
[B]That's a trend I am getting tired of[/B]. It is not capitalism at all.
Invade Iraq if they greet us a liberators then Big Oil is super wealthy. If it fails we are all in danger from terrorists.
Wall Street casino mentality. If they win they win not we win. If they fail we fail not them.
[B]This time they went to far.[/B] There is not enough money in the world to fix this mess. The Gulf of Mexico is a gift from god we sacrificed for profits. Not profits for our country but profits for some share holders. but our country is gonna pay the balance.

Free Market jerks are liars. they don't want capitalism they are taking advantage. Capitalism is taking a risk, they are not taking any "alone" yet if the gamble works they "profit alone".

This is a new form of socialism. Collectivist risk individual profits.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;697070]logical and rational debate in the United States is alive and well. Hallelujah[/quote]

To say "im making stuff up" applies more to your quote of "logical and rational debate" above than any of my posts. Rather someone say they disagree. In regards to bashing, yeah it may be premature but pretty appropriate when we look at the scale of this.

Sorry if I offend, but I get passionate when i see negligence like this, with a company who have the resources and big money behind them. I expect better.