Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly
 

I find it disturbing that Albert Haynesworth can stay away from minicamp when there is a new coaching staff that is putting a new system in place. I'm OK with him training in TN with the man who has helped him improve his performance in the past. But I'm not OK with his being the only player on the team to miss this minicamp. I know it's not mandatory but I just can't imagine how someone who professes to care about winning can't be bothered to take 3 days away from his personal training when there is so much for him to learn. Not to mention that he apparently couldn't care less about his teammates.

It is particulary galling to me to think that this man is the highest paid player on the team. Shouldn't setting a good example. if not being a leader, be part of what he thinks his employer deserves for the tens of million dollars that he is being paid? I believe that Haynesworth must have misled Dan Snyder about what he would do for that money when his contract was negotiated.

Although Shanahan is running the team, if I were in Dan Snyder's position, I would have to call Haynesworth and let him know how disappointed I am in him and that I think he is clearly not keeping his end of the bargain. No way is Haynesworth earning his full paycheck, no matter how he performs during the regular season.

I also would like to see Haynesworth drop the bullshit about his having no problem with playing in Haslett's 3-4 defense. His actions speak much louder than his words.

I think that Haynesworth probably tried to force a trade. That didn't happen. Now, he should put that aside and get with the program.

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Repost. :D

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Join the club...I am not surprised one bit by this behavior. It was well documented when he was with Tennessee and it's become a reality here as well. Let's just hope he produces on the field.

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Schefter is reporting that Haynesworth is in camp!!!!!





















Kidding :) I agree with the OP on his main point, although i'm not sure another Haynesworth thread was necessary.

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It's not like he has the most difficult job on the field.

He also said our trainers last season, were god awful, so I can see why he wants to train with the best guy he knows. (even if we have new trainers and an improved gym)

Think that man wants everybody to see him flopping around on the field again? I seriously doubt it. The press is making much more of a big deal out of it, than Al or Shanny.

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I do hope he produces. And if at DE, I think that he will, no matter where he trains.

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Is AH our new JC? Will he become our new Lavar?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;699344]
I think that Haynesworth probably tried to force a trade. That didn't happen. Now, he should put that aside and get with the program.[/quote]

I agree with you. I posted this before and im going to post it again b/c i firmly believe this.

AH and his agent never had any intention of having AH play out the remainder of his contract with the skins after he received the 32 of his 41 million guaranteed money.

He tried to force the skins hand in trading him by being enough of an offseason problem to get traded but not going overboard and cementing his rep as a problem child.

Shanny and Allen tried to trade him this offseason but they werent just going to give him away. I bet vinny would have unloaded him.

AH is a mercenary. He plays for money. His two biggest seasons came in contract years.

Now that he has received that 32 mil, there is no way he plays here for the next 3 seasons contently making 5-6 mil a year.

Next offseason, I see him uping his antics since declaring he wont do anything not mandatory despite the new coaches strongly worded dictation that we wants full 100% participation in all offseason activities didnt do the trick.

It only makes financial sense for AH to force the skins hand in trading him so he can sign a new contract with his new team and get yet another big pay day. If he plays out the next 3 years of his contract with the skins, his window of being in his prime and getting another huge pay day will have passed.

Lets face it, vinny really screwed the pooch on this one. yeah it was great that we were able to offer such an attractive offer to land him, but front loading that contract to take advantage of the uncapped season really left nothing for AH to play for after he collected that 21 mil check in april.

Im sure allen gave danny a lecture on just how stupid of a contract that was.

there are articles regarding what i am saying from nfl execs as well.

AH will not be here after this season. Im surprised shanny stood his ground and didnt cut bait already but i think in shanny's eyes that would mean he lost in the battle of wills and as a coach you cant let players dictate their role with the team.

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At this point all I care about is that he shows for MANDATORY camps.

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#1- I certainly wouldn't make AH a captain. Leadership by example.
#2- I'm the first to say they should be required to work at the facility yr round. You make all that money then you need to be there. I mean 5 months away from you job the whole while making mill. is obsurd.

BUT!
#3- and most importantly..... these are voluntary work outs. No one is required to be at them. Are other fans of other teams ranting and raving about their players not in "voluntary camp?" If he doesn't show up for manditory camp or if he shows up out of shape then and only then will people have a decent reason to wig out.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;699344]I find it disturbing that Albert Haynesworth can stay away from minicamp when there is a new coaching staff that is putting a new system in place. [B]I'm OK with him training in TN with the man who has helped him improve his performance in the past. But I'm not OK with his being the only player on the team to miss this minicamp. [/B]I know it's not mandatory but I just can't imagine how someone who professes to care about winning can't be bothered to take 3 days away from his personal training when there is so much for him to learn. Not to mention that he apparently couldn't care less about his teammates.

It is particulary galling to me to think that this man is the highest paid player on the team. Shouldn't setting a good example. if not being a leader, be part of what he thinks his employer deserves for the tens of million dollars that he is being paid? I believe that Haynesworth must have misled Dan Snyder about what he would do for that money when his contract was negotiated.

Although Shanahan is running the team, if I were in Dan Snyder's position, I would have to call Haynesworth and let him know how disappointed I am in him and that I think he is clearly not keeping his end of the bargain. No way is Haynesworth earning his full paycheck, no matter how he performs during the regular season.

I also would like to see Haynesworth drop the bullshit about his having no problem with playing in Haslett's 3-4 defense. His actions speak much louder than his words.

I think that Haynesworth probably tried to force a trade. That didn't happen. Now, he should put that aside and get with the program.[/quote]

Would it be more acceptable if several players skipped minicamp?

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This whole issue is way overblown, as it is every year. Every team has some players who make their statements by missing voluntary camps and OTAs. Rather than focus on the positive, we will have 80+guys all out there competing, and working. AH knows he's gonna be here, and knows what he's gonna do, line up take 1-2 guys out of the picture while trying to get to the ball. Like Matty said, if he misses the mandatory camps then fine print the story, for now focus on the fact that we have every starter but one there today. (maybe two, if Rodgers isn't there, I know Rocky was there today)

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No!!! Haynesworth acting selfishly!? Screw his chunky-butt-funky ass!

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close this thread. why a repost of an ongoing thread. No links, no articles, etc.

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AH will be a beast come game time & if he isn't don't cut him F that let him ride the bench or play him at NT.

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Unlike Jason Campbell, Shanahan has explictly said they were not going to trade him. Yeah sure, they listened to offers from Tennessee, but do you really think that these guys are just tight buyers but loose sellers? Tennessee would be getting a near-certain Pro Bowler for themselves while we get what, a second round draft pick? If I was giving someone a Pro Bowler, I expect a Pro Bowler or something equal to that in return, and Tennessee was predictably NOT accommodating and hence they went about parroting to the media that they weren't going to trade Al. That's what I think went through their minds. They guessed Tenn wasn't going to cough up the goods, so Shanahan just told Schefter to say they weren't trading him to help make Schefter's already-good rep even better.

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[quote=over the mountain;699380]
AH is a mercenary. He plays for money. His two biggest seasons came in contract years. [/quote]

Stop the presses! A football player playing the game for money. :silly:

The whole "he played hard during a contract year" is a bit overblown, IMO. Players generally peak after they've been in the league a few years, so it's natural that they would play well right as their rookie contract is running out (usually 4 or 5 years in). I'm sure that there are some players who certainly play harder in a contract year, but I also think that what I said above skews perception a bit and people make assumptions.

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[quote=freddyg12;699368][B]Is AH our new JC?[/B] Will he become our new Lavar?[/quote]

What do you mean by that?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;699418]What do you mean by that?[/quote]

Probably that people will create a million threads about the same discussion regarding Haynesworth....like this one.

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[quote=hooskins;699406]close this thread. why a repost of an ongoing thread. No links, no articles, etc.[/quote]

First a thread on trading Haynesworth for Clady and now one dedicated to Haynesworth behaving selfishly. Anyone want to guess when the next thread biased towards Haynesworth will strike The Warpath?

In the meantime please take a moment to view my own personal Haynesworth thread.
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/36313-albert-haynesworth-and-his-trainer.html[/url]

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Larry Weisman put it very well:

Larry Weisman

Can we stop being surprised Albert Haynesworth isn't at voluntary minicamp? He said he wouldn't be and, sadly, he's a man of his word.

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Enough Haynesworth already!!....It's beginning to sound like a broken record. I'm more interested in the guys that ARE here.

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[quote=Longtimefan;699467]Enough Haynesworth already!!....It's beginning to sound like a broken record. I'm more interested in the guys that ARE here.[/quote]

Mike is that you????

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699470]Mike is that you????[/quote]

I hear you CRR....He's made that same statement more than once, I've been hoping it would catch everyone's attention.

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He is going to one of the top trainers in the country and paying him out of his own pocket, instead of staying here and training for free, because he didn't get the results on the field he wanted to last year.

Can somebody explain how that is being selfish?

The guy is giving him position specific work outs as well.

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Bump

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In response to the closed threads and most recent Phat Albert stories, the NFL media is just looking for something to report now that we are in the slow period of the year. I bought in to him possibly being a problem earlier in the year, but now I really think if Shanny and Bruce had a problem with him, we could have moved him by now. I really think this is a non issue unless he doesnt show for a mandatory event, but i think Phat Albert is smart enough to go along at this point...I think AH main issue was the fact we sucked last year and he realized the ineptness of our bullshit coaching staff after the fact. Winning cures all problems, I think we come out and start playing up our talent level, Phat Albert will be part of the that solution...

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Allright so he is definitely a problem. What situation do you guys most likely playing out?

1) Release
2) He plays NT
3) He plays DE (3-4)
4) He gets traded (What is the market like for him? What teams would even want him now? The teams we got in a bidding war with for him (NYG, TB) have already addressed that position, and TN went for the DL in draft)
5) Other option:explain

I honestly have no idea what will happen. I do not think a trade is realistic because we will not get proper value considering there is not much of a market, and I do not think that the redskins will bend and let him play DE in the 3-4.
I think the most likely thing that will happen is he will not put in much effort, show his unhappiness by not showing up. Then he eventually will, and play, but not with as much effort as he should. The redskins might compromise a little bit by letting him rush occasionally, but not enough to make him happy while he will mainly still stop the run. Then he will be released next season. After his poor play and poor attitude, he will not get a huge contract and, we will get a 4th round compensatory pick for him.
My other scenario is that he just straight up gets released sometime, and we get a 3rd round compensatory pick next year.
My ideal situation is that some key 3-4 DT gets hurt, and we trade him for at least a 2nd and a 6th....a third will not satisfy me in a trade...even a 2nd is not good value in my mind considering seymour went for a 1st, but I know there is not a market out there for him so I will take what I can get.

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[quote=SmootSmack;699399]Would it be more acceptable if several players skipped minicamp?[/quote]

Always looking at things with the cup half full with koolaid. :food-smil

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[quote=Whiskeybilt;699480]He is going to one of the top trainers in the country and paying him out of his own pocket, instead of staying here and training for free, because he didn't get the results on the field he wanted to last year.

Can somebody explain how that is being selfish?

The guy is giving him position specific work outs as well.[/quote]

As long as his trainer is not named JaMarcus Russell, everything is cool.

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[quote=skinster;699605]Allright so he is definitely a problem. What situation do you guys most likely playing out?

1) Release
2) He plays NT
3) He plays DE (3-4)
4) He gets traded (What is the market like for him? What teams would even want him now? The teams we got in a bidding war with for him (NYG, TB) have already addressed that position, and TN went for the DL in draft)
5) Other option:explain

I honestly have no idea what will happen. I do not think a trade is realistic because we will not get proper value considering there is not much of a market, and I do not think that the redskins will bend and let him play DE in the 3-4.
I think the most likely thing that will happen is he will not put in much effort, show his unhappiness by not showing up. Then he eventually will, and play, but not with as much effort as he should. The redskins might compromise a little bit by letting him rush occasionally, but not enough to make him happy while he will mainly still stop the run. Then he will be released next season. After his poor play and poor attitude, he will not get a huge contract and, we will get a 4th round compensatory pick for him.
My other scenario is that he just straight up gets released sometime, and we get a 3rd round compensatory pick next year.
My ideal situation is that some key 3-4 DT gets hurt, and we trade him for at least a 2nd and a 6th....a third will not satisfy me in a trade...even a 2nd is not good value in my mind considering seymour went for a 1st, but I know there is not a market out there for him so I will take what I can get.[/quote]

No comp picks on players who are released, only on players lost to free agency.

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[quote=skinster;699605]Allright so he is definitely a problem. What situation do you guys most likely playing out?

1) Release
2) He plays NT
3) He plays DE (3-4)
4) He gets traded (What is the market like for him? What teams would even want him now? The teams we got in a bidding war with for him (NYG, TB) have already addressed that position, and TN went for the DL in draft)
5) Other option:explain

I honestly have no idea what will happen. I do not think a trade is realistic because we will not get proper value considering there is not much of a market, and I do not think that the redskins will bend and let him play DE in the 3-4.
I think the most likely thing that will happen is he will not put in much effort, show his unhappiness by not showing up. Then he eventually will, and play, but not with as much effort as he should. The redskins might compromise a little bit by letting him rush occasionally, but not enough to make him happy while he will mainly still stop the run. Then he will be released next season. After his poor play and poor attitude, he will not get a huge contract and, we will get a 4th round compensatory pick for him.
My other scenario is that he just straight up gets released sometime, and we get a 3rd round compensatory pick next year.
My ideal situation is that some key 3-4 DT gets hurt, and we trade him for at least a 2nd and a 6th....a third will not satisfy me in a trade...even a 2nd is not good value in my mind considering seymour went for a 1st, but I know there is not a market out there for him so I will take what I can get.[/quote]

I really see no problem here. Let's just wait until he shows up for mandatory camp. I think after this it will blow over.

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I will say that Albert is being stupid about this. I can understand if he feels the need to train by himself, my brother went through a somewhat similar situation in college swimming where he did much better training on his own then he did training with the team but at the same time why not spend 6 days total going to mini-camp? Is he afraid that they're going to pressure him to stay and train with them if he shows up? Anything when people are playing football in some way shape or form it shouldn't be passed up if you're healthy.

Either way this is basically starting to look like LaVar all over again.

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[url=http://1500espn.com/sportswire/Pelissero_Talks_quiet_but_playing_for_Vikings_sounds_good_to_Haynesworth]Pelissero: Talks quiet, but playing for Vikings sounds good to Haynesworth | 1500 ESPN Twin Cities | Radio home of the Minnesota Twins[/url]

Report: Albert Haynesworth interested in joining the Vikings
Posted by Mike Florio on May 8, 2010 6:54 PM ET
During the draft, a strong rumor emerged that the Minnesota Vikings were in hot pursuit of Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. Ultimately, no deal was struck, either with the Vikings or any other team.

But the matter is hardly dead. Haynesworth continues to boycott offseason workouts in D.C., and the Vikings may be down two starting defensive tackles for four games -- or one for eight.

Tom Pelissero of 1500ESPN.com reports, citing unnamed NFL sources, that Haynesworth is interested in joining the Vikings.

The question becomes whether the Vikings are still interested, whether the Redskins are willing to move him, and whether the two sides can strike a mutually acceptable deal.

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It's time to let this guy go, I'm so tired of hearing about Haynesworth not willing to play in a 3-4.. Please Allen/Shanny cut ties with him now before he becomes an even bigger distraction. (Maybe for Cedric Griffen) OK that's wishful thinking

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AH for Phil Loadholt, Erin Henderson, and a 2nd round pick.

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Do not let the guy just walk. fuc him, let him wallow along, and if you like but him on some sort of leave for conduct detrimental to the team. Force him to play, if we are winning this guy will shut up. All these guys play this game for two or three reasons: money, love, winning.... If we get 2 out of 3 he will be fine and find a way to contribute. I look back at his comments when he signed here, " I want to be the next Reggie White" after one year I don't see some one any where close to that.

We should see how it plays out. Don't make some dumb decsion and let him walk for nothing, or give him away for nothing. the guy will fall in line. He is not much of a story compared to the rest of the team. The damn media is making to much about this.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;699641]Do not let the guy just walk. fuc him, let him wallow along, and if you like but him on some sort of leave for conduct detrimental to the team. Force him to play, if we are winning this guy will shut up. All these guys play this game for two or three reasons: money, love, winning.... If we get 2 out of 3 he will be fine and find a way to contribute. I look back at his comments when he signed here, " I want to be the next Reggie White" after one year I don't see some one any where close to that.

We should see how it plays out. Don't make some dumb decsion and let him walk for nothing, or give him away for nothing. the guy will fall in line. He is not much of a story compared to the rest of the team. The damn media is making to much about this.[/quote]


Well said, If we do let him go to the vikes i want a Hershell Walker deal all their draft picks for 2 years.

HTTR.

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I think we all understand why Albert should be at the mini camp, but its voluntary only. Albert has made it clear that he would not attend any voluntary mini camps, so we should not be surprised if he is a No Show. We should be surprised if he shows up to a mini camp. If Albert is Butt hurt about playing in a 3-4 Defense then he should ask to give some of his Bonus back and be traded or just suck it up and see how the Redskins will use him in the new scheme. I believe when you get 31 million up front thus far he should be happy to play any where in the defense. I guess today's players think they can run the league , but I bet if he comes in to camp out of shape and with a bad attitude the Redskin coaches wont put up with his BS. They will find a way to get that money back and send his ass packing. I say lets wait and see if Albert is truly working out hard for this up coming season before we bash him for not showing up for the voluntary camp.

We will be better with a motivated Albert than without him on our defense. I do think Albert made our defensive line better but it still was sad against the run and forcing turnovers. I just hope they let the Big Man lose this season and let him attack the offense. Albert as a long time Redskins fan I hope you are working out hard to shut up all these critical Redskin fans who love to hate on someone. I guess JC is gone they looking for another player to hate on.

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You guys sound like a women complaining about not getting what she wanted for her birthday. If he shows up and is out of shape come game day then bitch all you want but for now lets wait and see. Last season people bitched because they said he took to many plays off and was out of shape. Now that he says hea is working hard to get into shape the same people are bitching. If you reply to this post while at home maybe you should volunteer and go into work today.