Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

I don't know any details yet. Will let you know as soon as I hear something

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Probably going to have to be draft pick compensation.

This move makes our line a lot better for 2010, and in theory, we'll come to a long term agreement with our RT of the future, and have our OT tandem of the next three or four seasons. Still, draft pick compensation is probably going to be fairly significant. I'd imagine it includes our second rounder, since we don't know if we will have either our third or fourth next year.

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On second thought, I think it would have been out of character for BA to pull the trigger on this if it was going to cost a 2nd rounder in next year's draft. Maybe a 2nd in 2012 and a 5th in 2011?

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Gonna be interesting to see what the compensation is.

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Wow. Okay so starting 5:

LT T. Williams
LG D. Dockery
C Rabach
RG M. Williams
RT J Brown

A Hicks off the bench. I can live with that.

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

Right now I'm hearing it's for a conditional 4th, but still not sure

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A conditional 4th??? Oh that would be sweet!! I'd take that deal in second.

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Especially if it was that 4th we got in 2012 for JC. That'd basically be like giving away JC for Jammal Brown. I'd love that deal, even though I kinda feel that Jammal Brown is injury prone.

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Can we toss in fat Al too?

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Smoot, have you been busy at wikipedia?? Check out the last entry.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammal_Brown]Jammal Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;707517]Wow. Okay so starting 5:

LT T. Williams
LG D. Dockery
C Rabach
RG M. Williams
RT J Brown

A Hicks off the bench. I can live with that.[/quote]Schefter is hinting that the Redskins are planning to put Jamaal Brown at LT and Trent Williams at RT, which makes very little sense to me for any number of reasons. If Williams is the LT of the future, he shouldn't have to wait to take over at LT until year 3 or whatever.

If he's not the LT of the future, we're going to need someone better than Jamaal Brown anyway to handle the position.

So after they fidget around for a bit, I hope the final product looks like your line above, hopefull with Rinehart winning the job over BMW.

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Brown is 29, for those wondering -- same age as Haynesworth. This seems like a 3 or 4 year move.

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So, would he play LT to start with Williams on the right? Or would Brown start out on the right? If he starts out on the right, how long would Williams stay there? I thought he was drafted with the intent of being a left tackle.

What's J.Brown's contract status?

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

Yes!!! Our offense will be a threat for the first time in years!

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Boy 29 sure is old for a player who's been in the league 5 years. This definitely isn't a long term move for sure, probably 3-5 years at best.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;707527]So, would he play LT to start with Williams on the right? Or would Brown start out on the right? If he starts out on the right, how long would Williams stay there? I thought he was drafted with the intent of being a left tackle.

What's J.Brown's contract status?[/quote]His contract status is signed original (first) round one year RFA tender, scheduled to be UFA in 2011. Pending, of course, the existence of free agency in 2011.

One of the many reasons that the compensation will be lower than I initially thought: he basically wasn't tied to the Saints beyond this year, and people knew his future was in NO. We won't be giving up more than the equivalent of a third rounder.

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[quote=mooby;707530]Boy 29 sure is old for a player who's been in the league 5 years. This definitely isn't a long term move for sure, probably 3-5 years at best.[/quote]

3-5 yrs is long term in this league, especially if it's closer to 5 yrs

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not that this isn't potentially a great move but jamal brown didn't take a snap last year, we have seen pro bowl players come in after injuries and not play up to what they once were. i wouldn't make any assumptions of him being higher than trent williams on the depth chart right now.

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[quote=Mattyk;707533]3-5 yrs is long term in this league, especially if it's closer to 5 yrs[/quote]It's hard to imagine that a guy who isn't dominating right now would be effective at age 33 or 34, but if the compensation isn't obscene, they'd only need a good year or two out of him to justify the trade.

This really doesn't have to be a trade for 2012 and beyond to make sense. It's clear there's no rebuilding going on here.

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This is a great move for us! We are instantly better.

Don't be surprised if Artis Hicks battles Mike Williams for the starting job at RG.

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[quote=GTripp0012;707526]Brown is 29, for those wondering -- same age as Haynesworth. This seems like a 3 or 4 year move.[/quote]

Gives a guy like Capers plenty of time to develop. Plus Trent Williams can go through the same process he went through at Oklahoma, start out at RT, get used to the speed of the game and move to LT. Some players have problem switching back and fourth between LT and RT, but Williams is not the type of player I would be worried about in that regard.

The real question is which line is better on paper. 2005-2006 or 2010.

LT - Samuals, LG - Dockery, C - Rabach, RG - Thomas, RT - Jansen
or
LT - Brown, LG - Dockery, C - Rabach, RG - BMW, RT - Williams

Personally I give the edge to the former. If BMW can play at the same level as Leonard Davis then that switch easily goes the other way. Of couse that might be a pretty big if.

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[quote=Mattyk;707533]3-5 yrs is long term in this league, especially if it's closer to 5 yrs[/quote]

Yeah that's true. We'll see I guess. I do feel good because usually when you think about guys that are 29 and in the NFL you think they've been in the league like 7-8 years, not 5. That means he's got more left in him than other 29 year olds. I think if it is a 4th rounder it will be a good deal for us, especially if he holds down a tackle spot for the next 5 years.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;707523]Smoot, have you been busy at wikipedia?? Check out the last entry.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammal_Brown]Jammal Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]

Haha, no. Don't quote me on the conditional 4th yet though. Hearing many different things. Have also heard Rocky might be part of it, have heard conditional 2nd, have heard conditional 5th

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Well then I'll hold my breath until I know what the true comp is. I'd be disappointed if Rocky was in it, I wanted to see how he was gonna transition to being a 3-4 mike backer.

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I have been hyping up this deal for a long time, and now it has finally come!!!

I LOVE this move, because IMO, Trent Williams cannot just be put out there week one as our starting LT, and get owned by demarcus ware. Trent Williams played RT for 3 years in college, and LT last season for a little bit and didn't do as great there as people thought. When Shanahan drafted him and said that he's going to be our starting LT, I thought it was a bad move to throw him out there right away, but then again our Tackles aren't good, besides him.

BUT! Now we have Jammal Brown an All Pro LT, who can teach Trent, and let Trent succeed this year on a side of the ball that he's more familiar with, and when Jammals time has come, he can leave and Trent will be fully ready for the Left side.


Our OL by the way, is already way way better than it was last year.

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Favorite game these days:

LT - Brown (Trent Williams will serve as the backup LT)
LG - Dockery - Cook
C - Rabach - Kory L
RG -BMW - Rhinehart/Edwin Williams
RT - Williams - Hicks - Capers

Most likely it'll be Rinehart and Williams getting cut especially since Hicks will be the primary backup at Guard now.

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

Is it really so much better if Jamaal Brown gets schooled by Ware in Week 1? Seems like, even if Williams ended up needed help the whole game, at least we get a learning experience out of it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;707538][B]Gives a guy like Capers plenty of time to develop. Plus Trent Williams can go through the same process he went through at Oklahoma, start out at RT, get used to the speed of the game and move to LT. [/B] Some players have problem switching back and fourth between LT and RT, but Williams is not the type of player I would be worried about in that regard.

The real question is which line is better on paper. 2005-2006 or 2010.

LT - Samuals, LG - Dockery, C - Rabach, RG - Thomas, RT - Jansen
or
LT - Brown, LG - Dockery, C - Rabach, RG - BMW, RT - Williams

Personally I give the edge to the former. If BMW can play at the same level as Leonard Davis then that switch easily goes the other way. Of couse that might be a pretty big if.[/quote]

You make good points. That would seem to the plan.

It's nice to see that a professionally managed NFL team can actually have a plan. I had forgotten about such things.

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[quote=GTripp0012;707546]Is it really so much better if Jamaal Brown gets schooled by Ware in Week 1? Seems like, even if Williams ended up needed help the whole game, at least we get a learning experience out of it.[/quote]

He won't, or at least not that bad, because last time the saints played the Cowboys, Jammal Brown held DW sackless the whole night. It was his 3rd or 4th year in the league (DW's) so yes JB has played him when hes at his best.

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[url=http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/06/new_orleans_saints_close_to_tr.html]New Orleans Saints close to trading Jammal Brown to Washington Redskins | NOLA.com[/url]

Nothing SS hasn't already said. Just more confirmation that its happening.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;707545]Favorite game these days:

LT - Brown (Trent Williams will serve as the backup LT)
LG - Dockery - Cook
C - Rabach - Kory L
RG -BMW - Rhinehart/Edwin Williams
RT - Williams - Hicks - Capers

Most likely it'll be Rinehart and Williams getting cut especially since Hicks will be the primary backup at Guard now.[/quote]Doubt we'll keep more than 9 OL man, so it's two of Cook/Rinehart/Lichtensteiger/Ed.Williams on the interior, and Capers vs. Heyer on the outside with Hicks as the 6th OL/G-T swingman.

BMW and Hicks both have contractual security for this season, which leaves just 3 spots for the above 6 players.

One would have to think that Cook and Capers have a huge edge with the way that Shanahan holds his draft choices.

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[quote=GTripp0012;707546][B]Is it really so much better if Jamaal Brown gets schooled by Ware in Week 1?[/B] Seems like, even if Williams ended up needed help the whole game, at least we get a learning experience out of it.[/quote]

Buzz kill! Brown will do fine.

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You guys are forgetting about Stephon Heyer as a backup tackle now. I suppose the line will look like this:

LT - Brown, Heyer, Capers
LG - Dockery, Cook
C - Rabach, Kory L
RG - BMW, Rinehart
RT - T. Williams, Hicks, Capers

Which leaves E. Williams either in the fold as a versatile backup or he gets cut.

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

Okay crisis averted. Again per Schefter:

[url=http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/16569365752]Twitter / Adam Schefter: Trent Williams and Jammal ...[/url]

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Talk of playing Brown at RT was pretty prevalent back in March when this trade was first discussed. I could see that still being the case

I don't know how it will play out, but clearly our line will NOT be the same sad thing we saw last year, and that should give all of us joy!

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[quote=GTripp0012;707550]Doubt we'll keep more than 9 OL man, so it's two of Cook/Rinehart/Lichtensteiger/Ed.Williams on the interior, and Capers vs. Heyer on the outside with Hicks as the 6th OL/G-T swingman.

BMW and Hicks both have contractual security for this season, which leaves just 3 spots for the above 6 players.

One would have to think that Cook and Capers have a huge edge with the way that Shanahan holds his draft choices.[/quote]

Yeah, it's very rare for a team to carry 10 OL. I mean we did it last year but you have to consider that the 10th guy was D'Anthony Batiste. Personally I think that Rinehart and Williams get cut while Cook and Kory L. stay. Of course if Rinehart emerges as a serious threat then they could easily put Cook on the practice squad.


[quote=SmootSmack;707554]Talk of playing Brown at RT was pretty prevalent back in March when this trade was first discussed. I could see that still being the case[/quote]

Either way we could easily have the best pair of bookends for the second time in the last 10 years. Right now some other pairs to look out for to contend for this all important ego title are as follows

49ers - Staley/Davis
Baltimore - Gaither/Oher - Soon to be broken up
Miami - Long/Carey - [I]current champions[/I]
Jets - Ferguson/Woody
Vikings - McKinne/Loadholt - Though I keep hearing these days that McKinne is only average.
Carolina - Gross/Otah
Jacksonville - Monroe/Britton

Either way isn't everyone glad now that we didn't sign Chad Clifton to a massive contract?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;707548]He won't, or at least not that bad, because last time the saints played the Cowboys, Jammal Brown held DW sackless the whole night. It was his 3rd or 4th year in the league (DW's) so yes JB has played him when hes at his best.[/quote]How much can you conclude from one game? Ware has gone silent for streaks of three games at a time, and has been schooled by Cooley before in the running game. He's an inconsistent player.

Point being, you've got a pretty decent chance of neutralizing him with Trent Williams out there as long as you've got help for him. Brown is pretty out of position at LT, and the hope is that Williams will flourish there. I don't want to start the process of trying to put a band-aid over a draft reach, just put Williams out at LT and let him teach himself the position from the start. We'll be better for it.

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Here is another multiple to add to multiple sources.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-possibly-close-to-lan.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins possibly close to landing tackle Jammal Brown[/url]

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Hopefully we'll get a pick back for Gaynesworth at some point this offseason and we'll be straight.