Could the Skins have the best offensive line in the division?
 

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wait and see, its possible, but we do have big question marks on how good both our tackles will be.

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yes it is possible. But there are ifs with our line as well as the others in the division. If this line can gell quickly then we can be the best. AND the tackles. If they are the beast we expect then we are good to go.

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I won't believe the hype until they prove it on the field, which is pretty rare for the Redskins.

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The blog is right in the fact that we have put most of our offseason moves in bolstering the line. Which we all knew was what had to happen for this team to even think of competing again in the NFC Beast.

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I can't wait until they put the pads on. All the speculation, whether positive or negative, needs on-the-field validation.

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Wait and see.

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Lets put it this way, there's no way it can be any worse than last year.

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They might also have the deepest. Hicks, BMW, Edwin Williams, Kory L, Rinehart, Capers, Cook, Heyer. Obviously not all of these guys are going to make the team but each of them has a silver lining. Weather it's freakish athleticism seen in Selvish Capers or the once top 5 talent of Mike Williams on the rebound. By the way if Mike Williams zero's in on that talent he's as good as Leonard Davis.

At the very least they're going to be an amazing run blocking line. Trent Williams might need a little seasoning as far as pass blocking is concerned but as a run blocker he's already elite.

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It easily could be. But will it? as everyone else said, the Redskins need to show it on the field.

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No.

First of all, we don't yet know who all the starters will be. When that is determined, then they need to work together for long enough to meld into a unit. More than any other group on the field, the coordinated efforts of the players is what makes an OL. Also, we're going to be starting a rookie at OLT which I find pretty scary.

So we've got a long way to go before we have any idea how good out OL can be. At this point, I'd have to say that at least the Giants and Dallas OL's should be more cohesive and, as such, better than ours. We'll just have to see how our OL does once the season starts.

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I always look at the source first. Who the fuck are those two clowns?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;710232]No.

First of all, we don't yet know who all the starters will be. When that is determined, then they need to work together for long enough to meld into a unit. More than any other group on the field, the coordinated efforts of the players is what makes an OL. Also, we're going to be starting a rookie at OLT which I find pretty scary.

So we've got a long way to go before we have any idea how good out OL can be. [B]At this point, I'd have to say that at least the Giants and Dallas OL's should be more cohesive and, as such, better than ours[/B]. We'll just have to see how our OL does once the season starts.[/quote]

The Giants line has been amazingly healthy, but they are getting older, and how much that shows up will go a long way to how well they do. I still think they are the best until our line shows that it can stay healthy and TW shows he can pass block.

The Dallas line though benefits from Romo's escapability, and Felix Jones speed. I would not put their line as any better than ours as it stands now. Their left OT is as shaky as ours was without Samuels, they are relying on an unproven LT in Free, and a bust LT in Barron. We have an unproven rookie, but IF he doesn't pan out we can shift JBrown over, and put Hicks back at RT, that alone is a better line than Dallas'. And Dallas has overlooked their line in the draft nearly as badly as we have.

The final question mark is Rabach. Is he good enough, and he has looked bad due to the lack of talent around him, or is he just bad. If he is bad, we will need a rookie(Cook) or 2nd year guy (williams) to step up and play.

Pessimism is natural due to our recent past, but let's not give credit to other teams without looking at their flaws.

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It is great we have finally invested in the future of our O-line.
We have had a productive offseason.
But that is as far as we should take it when it comes to talk.
I would prefer to quietly sneak on other teams next year and knock the shit out of them.
Talk is for losers. Show it on the field.
We sound like fans of a perennially losing team with articles like this one.
It is embarrassing for a 4-12 team to talk like this.

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I still think a wild card as our back up center is Kory L. ( not even going to try and butcher his last name ) Shanny drafted him in the fourth round a few years ago for a reason. Given MS's track record with talent later in the draft Kory may end up with the back up role with a chance to start if Casey struggles.

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[quote=Defensewins;710238]It is great we have finally invested in the future of our O-line.
We have had a productive offseason.
But that is as far as we should take it when it comes to talk.
I would prefer to quietly sneak on other teams next year and knock the shit out of them.
Talk is for losers. Show it on the field.
We sound like fans of a perennially losing team with articles like this one.
It is embarrassing for a 4-12 team to talk like this.[/quote]

I will say this is the first time in a LONG time that the Sirius talking heads are giving the Skins a ton of love. Not off-season champions type mocking, but real respect to the organization for handling themselves like an elite group. I like that!

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[quote=Defensewins;710238]It is great we have finally invested in the future of our O-line.
We have had a productive offseason.
But that is as far as we should take it when it comes to talk.
I would prefer to quietly sneak on other teams next year and knock the shit out of them.
Talk is for losers. Show it on the field.
[B]We sound like fans of a perennially losing team with articles like this one.[/B]
It is embarrassing for a 4-12 team to talk like this.[/quote]

Unfortunately we kinda are. We haven't won much of anything in a long time.

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Too soon to tell, but we shouldn't be ranked last anymore.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;710240]I will say this is the first time in a LONG time that the Sirius talking heads are giving the Skins a ton of love. Not off-season champions type mocking, but real respect to the organization for handling themselves like an elite group. I like that![/quote]

For Adam "I love the Giants and for some reason have a huge man crush on Romo" Schien to give the Redskins any love, we must have done something right. He has hated on us for so long. I am kinda shocked at how he has turned his opinion in the Redskins. God he hated on us so much I honestly quit listening to his show. Now I am a huge FAN OF T-Rock and Patty Kerwin. Those two guys have always brought it in a much different fashion. Much love for Moving the Chains from me.

It all starts up top with having guys like MS and BA in charge. Then adding Donovan back at Easter had more people believing. I have to say it again. The Redskins have spent a ton of time this offseason revamping this football team, and I for one know we will have something to show for it come September.

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[quote=vallin21;710243]Too soon to tell, but we shouldn't be ranked last anymore.[/quote]

Exactly. We've been the worst for two years straight probably in the entire league. We still got question marks as mentioned above especially at Tackle. If Brown can regain form and Williams plays to his draft position, we should be fairly good. Injury at Tackle or Trent cant make the transition, we are going to have problems again. But we have done well in acquiring players and building depth so at least Allen has put us in position to even mention the headline of this thread.

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We could have the best by the end of the season or the worst again, but it will be far better than last year either way. At best 2/5 of our line is still questionable and at worst 4/5. Outside of Dockery everyone on on the line has some sort of "?" about them. Be it injury/experience/talent. I do like our odds and believe (being the homer that I am) going into the season that the weakest link is at Center followed closely by RG.

There is so much competetion at G though that I think we will be fine once the line settles into a rhythem. Between BMW/Hicks/Rhino/Ed Dub/Heyer/Cook somone is going to fit in well and help Rabach look better this year. If I was a betting man, which I am not for good reason, Heyer and BMW will battle it out for the start. If Heyer doesn't look any better moving inside he will have a battle to stay on the team with Rhino, Kory L and Eddie. With Hicks being able to play all positions, and the team stressing versatility, it will be interesting how many OL we keep.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;710235]The Giants line has been amazingly healthy, but they are getting older, and how much that shows up will go a long way to how well they do. I still think they are the best until our line shows that it can stay healthy and TW shows he can pass block.

[B]The Dallas line though benefits from Romo's escapability, and Felix Jones speed. I would not put their line as any better than ours as it stands now. Their left OT is as shaky as ours was without Samuels, they are relying on an unproven LT in Free, and a bust LT in Barron. We have an unproven rookie, but IF he doesn't pan out we can shift JBrown over, and put Hicks back at RT, that alone is a better line than Dallas'. And Dallas has overlooked their line in the draft nearly as badly as we have. [/B]

The final question mark is Rabach. Is he good enough, and he has looked bad due to the lack of talent around him, or is he just bad. If he is bad, we will need a rookie(Cook) or 2nd year guy (williams) to step up and play.

Pessimism is natural due to our recent past, but let's not give credit to other teams without looking at their flaws.[/quote]

Spot on. Free is a ??? and others are getting old. They also lack depth. I'm hoping that all of those Cowpokes Super Bowl predictions crumble as their o-line struggles.

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It's kind of a generic question. Only the coach (who knows how HIS plays are supposed to be executed) could have any idea. If I knew exactly how the plays were to run, I probably could answer the question. I am going to rely on the coach, seeing what each player can do, to determine the Skin's offensive line outcome. HTTR!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;710235]The Giants line has been amazingly healthy, but they are getting older, and how much that shows up will go a long way to how well they do. I still think they are the best until our line shows that it can stay healthy and TW shows he can pass block.

The Dallas line though benefits from Romo's escapability, and Felix Jones speed. I would not put their line as any better than ours as it stands now. Their left OT is as shaky as ours was without Samuels, they are relying on an unproven LT in Free, and a bust LT in Barron. We have an unproven rookie, but IF he doesn't pan out we can shift JBrown over, and put Hicks back at RT, that alone is a better line than Dallas'. And Dallas has overlooked their line in the draft nearly as badly as we have.

The final question mark is Rabach. Is he good enough, and he has looked bad due to the lack of talent around him, or is he just bad. If he is bad, we will need a rookie(Cook) or 2nd year guy (williams) to step up and play.

[B]Pessimism is natural due to our recent past, but let's not give credit to other teams without looking at their flaws[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

I'm not pessimistic. The truth is that our OL isn't ready to be compared to the other OL's in our division at all. Hell, it hasn't even been born yet!

Who is our RG? We think it will be Hicks but [B]we don't know[/B].

Has Brown played a down with this unit yet? [B]No[/B].

Has T. Williams played a down in the NFL? [B]No[/B]. In fact, he hasn't even signed a contract yet.

Are all of the holdovers playing in a new system? [B]Yes[/B].

Have they played a down in that system yet? [B]No[/B].

[B]Etc.[/B]

I hope they'll be good but I don't know yet. And you don't know yet, either (no offense meant). Nobody knows.

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I hope we do but only time and the wear and tear of the season will tell.

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The title of the article was sent to the editor with the following title:

"Stop me if you've heard this one, but....Someone thinks The Redskins have the best Offensive Line in the NFC East"

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Time will tell. The system being deployed requires a lot of repetition, if they remain healthy and be able to consistently extend those reps, they could eventually develop into a formidable o/line. It's much too soon to anoint them anything other than a work in progress at this point.

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[quote=Longtimefan;710263]Time will tell. The system being deployed requires a lot of repetition, if they remain healthy and be able to consistently extend those reps, they could eventually develop into a formidable o/line. It's much too soon to anoint them anything other than a work in progress at this point.[/quote]

The other thing about the system is that it makes the lineman look better then they really are. In Madden terms, for lack of a better example, you could possibly add 4 or 5 points to a players rating.

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[quote=steveo395;710217]I won't believe the hype until they prove it on the field, which is pretty rare for the Redskins.[/quote]

Amen, agree 110%

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I think our FO has saw a weakness and brought people in to compete.

HTTR.

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Sorry, you can't go from worst to best with the acquisition of one top draft pick and one pro bowler. If you throw in the TE then we aren't bad, but the best? Come on, we sucked last year. The rook has yet to play a down in the NFL so God only knows if he is going to pan out. He most likely will, but not in a way to make our O line go last to first in a span of one season. Brown was the best acquisition via FA in a long time, and yes I am including McNabb in that, but we just plain have no depth. Other than our two newbies who do we have that is really all that great?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;710290][B]Sorry, you can't go from worst to best with the acquisition of one top draft pick and one pro bowler.[/B] If you throw in the TE then we aren't bad, but the best? Come on, we sucked last year. The rook has yet to play a down in the NFL so God only knows if he is going to pan out. He most likely will, but not in a way to make our O line go last to first in a span of one season. Brown was the best acquisition via FA in a long time, and yes I am including McNabb in that, but we just plain have no depth. Other than our two newbies who do we have that is really all that great?[/quote]

Yes you can. All that is needed is the O-line to hold off the D-line for 2 seconds more than last years line. Dont forget we have a QB that can make his mind up and throw the ball. 2 seconds will make your line go from last to top 10 in a heart beat regardless of playing time.

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I believe we can do it. We just have alot of ifs is all. But it is possible by the end of the year to have a top tier unit.

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Yeah, but you only have 3 new guys to work with, and the one G from Minnesota is an older vet. The rest are either bums or guys that are injury prone. Also, thus far in the preseason rags, all we have done is go from being predicted dead last in the division as we have for basically the past 4 years, to being almost unanimously picked 3rd, so obviously a lot of sportswriters don't think our draftee or Pro Bowl acquisition are going to propel us to being all that special. Our problem has more to do with depth than anything.

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We needed to draft another linemen or two. We didn't need that small WR from UCLA and that TE was a wasted pick as well.

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IDK that TE looks like a beast maybe he can do something in Special Teams. That small WR I believe will be a return guy. Lets just pray that these two can help out on ST because we all know we've lacked a certain pop there.

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This is a ridiculous thread

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;710256]I'm not pessimistic. The truth is that our OL isn't ready to be compared to the other OL's in our division at all. Hell, it hasn't even been born yet!

Who is our RG? We think it will be Hicks but [B]we don't know[/B].

Has Brown played a down with this unit yet? [B]No[/B].

Has T. Williams played a down in the NFL? [B]No[/B]. In fact, he hasn't even signed a contract yet.

Are all of the holdovers playing in a new system? [B]Yes[/B].

Have they played a down in that system yet? [B]No[/B].

[B]Etc.[/B]

I hope they'll be good but I don't know yet. And you don't know yet, either (no offense meant). Nobody knows.[/quote]

Of course no one knows for sure, but heck its early July. I would say that if our 5 OL play at their expected ability then one could make the argument for our line. And we should certainly see the most improvement within the division. In fact, it may be a case of the other teams OL's effectiveness dropping as much as our OL improving.

Here is an interesting link to a fantasy football site that has all the teams listed and their expectation of their OL for 2010:

[url=http://www.ultimateffstrategy.com/articles_ol_2010.htm]Ultimate Fantasy Football Strategy - 2010 Offensive Line Rankings and Analysis[/url]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;710299]Yeah, but you only have 3 new guys to work with, and the one G from Minnesota is an older vet. The rest are either bums or guys that are injury prone. Also, thus far in the preseason rags, all we have done is go from being predicted dead last in the division as we have for basically the past 4 years, to being almost unanimously picked 3rd, so obviously a lot of sportswriters don't think our draftee or Pro Bowl acquisition are going to propel us to being all that special. Our problem has more to do with depth than anything.[/quote]
This is such a glass half empty post. We actually added 5 total lineman, and 1 TE who looks to be a bone crushing blocking TE(hopefully). So that is 6 new faces. 2 top talent OT's; one consistent performing OL who has played OT and OG; a C who was expected to go higher, an OT who protected his Left Handed QB's blind side most or all of his college career, and a bone crushing TE. Basically, it looks like MS/BA added a ton of depth and quality starters to the ends of our line, I believe the middle of the line was fairly solid, but if the ends need help every play the middle is going to collapse!

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[quote=skinsnut;710304]This is a ridiculous thread[/quote]

How is it ridicoulous? We have b*t*hed moaned and complained about our O-line needs for years. Now that we are starting to address these issues makes this a righteous thread IMO.