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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_spec/20100701/pl_ynews_spec/ynews_spec_pl3005;_ylt=AibV_OsLRP4LQYN1wqWmdpuyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTJxZmRqMjVnBGFzc2V0A3luZXdzX3NwZWMvMjAxMDA3MDEveW5ld3Nfc3BlY19wbDMwMDUEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3doYXRpc3RoZXRlYQ--]What is the Tea Party? A growing state of mind - Yahoo! News[/url]

Interesting article, but I mainly wanted JTF to have some fun reading for this Independence weekend!

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What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html"]Lindsy Graham[/URL] said it best:

[QUOTE] On four occasions, Graham met with Tea Party groups. The first, in his Senate office, was “very, very contentious,” he recalled. During a later meeting, in Charleston, Graham said he challenged them: “ ‘What do you want to do? You take back your country — and do what with it?’ . . . Everybody went from being kind of hostile to just dead silent.”

In a previous conversation, Graham told me: “The problem with the Tea Party, I think it’s just unsustainable because they can never come up with a coherent vision for governing the country. It will die out.” Now he said, in a tone of casual lament: “We don’t have a lot of Reagan-type leaders in our party. Remember Ronald Reagan Democrats? I want a Republican that can attract Democrats.” Chortling, he added, “Ronald Reagan would have a hard time getting elected as a Republican today.”[/QUOTE]

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[quote=saden1;710466]What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?[/quote]

Reminds me of porn a little bit:

[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]- Justice Potter Stewart [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I went to VCU and im still involved with VCU and we have a huge emo/hipster/scencester crowd. Richmond city is also extremely liberal. Like most colleges i would say the school is liberal leaning. But a lot of the students are clear Tea Party supporters and they are well organized and active.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]

[SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]I think of the Tea Party as a little bit country, a little bit rock and roll. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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[quote=saden1;710466]What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html"]Lindsy Graham[/URL] said it best:[/quote]


He says that because he knows he is part of the problem the one like the people in the Tea Party want to see gone. He wishes the Tea Party would go away and when they run someone against has ass he can sit at home and talk about how they are fading away some more. The left is just as scared of this growing movement. Hell I might donate some money to them because we need other choices then what we have in DC today. What is Congresses approval rating 18% or something like that so I know I'm not the only one who feels we need change.

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[quote=saden1;710466]What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html"]Lindsy Graham[/URL] said it best:[/quote]

It's really quite simple, I don't know why they would have trouble answering:

Cut spending.

Get some people in Congress to say no on spending bills and yes on cutting programs. From an economic perspective, the deficit needs to be brought under control before we really put ourselves in financial trouble.

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[quote=Schneed10;710473]It's really quite simple, I don't know why they would have trouble answering:

Cut spending.

Get some people in Congress to say no on spending bills and yes on cutting programs. From an economic perspective, the deficit needs to be brought under control before we really put ourselves in financial trouble.[/quote]

I wish it was that simple because the only spending people seem to want to cut is [URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/04/economistyougov_polling"]foreign aid[/URL].

[IMG]http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/2010w14/pollquestion400.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote]Nearly half say blacks lag in jobs, income and housing "because most African-Americans just don't have the motivation or willpower to pull themselves up out of poverty."[/quote]

With such bigoted views, the Tea Party will be its own undoing. History is moving in the opposite direction from such views.

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[quote=firstdown;710471]He says that because he knows he is part of the problem the one like the people in the Tea Party want to see gone. He wishes the Tea Party would go away and when they run someone against has ass he can sit at home and talk about how they are fading away some more. The left is just as scared of this growing movement. Hell I might donate some money to them because we need other choices then what we have in DC today. What is Congresses approval rating 18% or something like that so I know I'm not the only one who feels we need change.[/quote]

Seems to me he doesn't give a shit about his job security like his buddy McCain seems to. Tea Party = Green Party at best and overall people seem to have a negative view of them. Time will tell, my bet is they disappear soon as Obama leaves office.

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[quote=saden1;710474]I wish it was that simple because the only spending people seem to want to cut is [URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/04/economistyougov_polling"]foreign aid[/URL].

[IMG]http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/2010w14/pollquestion400.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I would be happy, slightly, if we cut each one of those areas by the percent of people who want it cut. so 7% cut in SS, 22% cut in Defense, 71% cut in foreign aid, etc etc. It would be a start.

As for not answering the one question, that is your typical trick question. No answer, or any answer, and it would be thrown around and mutilated in the press. People know what they want to be done, but the mass media and political elite work together to run contrarian ideas through the "spin" cycle.

Lotus, if it is a pure racist tendency it will die out, but what if the phrasing was not put into black/white dialogue as it gets portrayed, but instead just a simple, generic, our American culture is creating lots of people nowadays who are more willing to rely on handouts versus working hard and living within our means. Would that be more sustainable.

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[quote=saden1;710466]What does "I don’t really understand it, but I like what they stand for" mean?

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/magazine/04graham-t.html"]Lindsy Graham[/URL] said it best:[/quote]

Lindsy Graham is being black-mailed, as is a good many Republican, because he's a homosexual. The man's compromised. Lindsy Graham has as much of a chance of getting re-elected as my big toe.

But that's Ok. Bomb some Persians because if you're not, you hate black people. Pay more taxes because if you don't, you're a racist. Give up your liberties because if you don't, you're a bigot. If you don't believe in global warming you're a holocaust denier. Please . . .

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[quote=saden1;710474]I wish it was that simple because the only spending people seem to want to cut is [URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/04/economistyougov_polling"]foreign aid[/URL].

[IMG]http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/2010w14/pollquestion400.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Cut education because the federal government has no business in education that the states job. You know how I feel about SS so that can be phased out over the years. Agriculture, Science & Technology could all be reduced. Hell just cut waist across the board and we would be allot better off.

The problem with federal programs is they are pretty much forced to spend every penny of funding every year or loose the money. Thats a flawed system and if we fixed that we would save billions each year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;710478]I would be happy, slightly, if we cut each one of those areas by the percent of people who want it cut. so 7% cut in SS, 22% cut in Defense, 71% cut in foreign aid, etc etc. It would be a start.

As for not answering the one question, that is your typical trick question. No answer, or any answer, and it would be thrown around and mutilated in the press. People know what they want to be done, but the mass media and political elite work together to run contrarian ideas through the "spin" cycle.

Lotus, if it is a pure racist tendency it will die out, but what if the phrasing was not put into black/white dialogue as it gets portrayed, but instead just a simple, generic, our American culture is creating lots of people nowadays who are more willing to rely on handouts versus working hard and living within our means. Would that be more sustainable.[/quote]

I'd like to see a politician run on a platform of cutting medicare, ss, and defense..that will be the day. It's not a trick question, it's rhetorical question.

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[quote=saden1;710482]I'd like to see a politician run on a platform of cutting medicare, ss, and defense..that will be the day. It's not a trick question, it's rhetorical question.[/quote]

I think the way things are going we are getting closer to the day that someone will run on a platform of cutting more spending but probably not worded as you have put it.

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I wonder if Arnold ran on a platform of reducing state employees to minimum wage.

If the situation gets dire enough politicians will have to cut these programs, but of course it would be better to cut them before the need was that dire.

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I think thing are pretty much that dire now.

[url=http://www.usdebtclock.org/]U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time[/url]

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they aren't dire, since politicians are able to print the money and many other factors that keep us from being in Greece or California's situation. And we could turn it around now, if we had the political will, but like Saden said, to do it, you would have to be willing to cut SS/Medicare AND Defense, but there is no way a majority of the House will get voted in with that agenda.

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Yeah those TEA Partier's are crazy. If they got into power they'd send in predator drones into Pakistan and blow up weddings. They'd drop bombs on Serbian schools. They'd lock people up without a cause and hold them forever. Why those TEA Party people they want to take us back to 1776. Why if they were in power they'd sell out our birthright to the banks. Can't have that can we!

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What is a TEA Partier? What is the awakening? Here's a start.

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[url=http://www.campaignforliberty.com/index.php]Campaign For Liberty — Home[/url]

[url=http://www.drudgereport.com/]DRUDGE REPORT 2010®[/url]

[url=http://www.lewrockwell.com/]LewRockwell.com[/url]

[url=http://www.infowars.com/]Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind![/url]

[url=http://maxkeiser.com/]maxkeiser.com — finance. markets. scandal.[/url]

[url=http://blog.mises.org/]Mises Economics Blog[/url]

[url=http://reason.com/]Reason Magazine[/url]

[url=http://www.ronpaul.com/welcome.php]Ron Paul .com[/url]

[url=http://stevequayle.com/start.html]Steve Quayle[/url]

[url=http://www.amconmag.com/]The American Conservative[/url]

[url=http://www.trendsresearch.com/index.htm]Forecasting, Tracking and Analyzing Global Trends | Trends Research Institute[/url]

[url=http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=1592]Chuck Baldwin Live | Fighting for Constitutional Government in America[/url]

[url]http://www.richmondteaparty.com/[/url]

[url=http://offthegridnews.com/]Off The Grid News » Better Ideas For Off The Grid Living[/url]

[url=http://www.wearechange.org/]We Are Change*|*Be the change you wish to see in this world[/url]

Take a look and make up your own mind. In the end, that's the only real freedom that we really have. Or did you think they wanted to regulate the internet because of porn? If you believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Also, check out Bob Chapman and Gerald Celente on YouTube

And don't forget the Grandfathers of the alternative media. Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell and George Noorey. Ian Punit is a douche.

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Who's JTF?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;710499]Who's JTF?[/quote]

joetheismanfan, He LOVES the TeaParty!

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[quote=saden1;710474]I wish it was that simple because the only spending people seem to want to cut is [URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/04/economistyougov_polling"]foreign aid[/URL].

[IMG]http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/2010w14/pollquestion400.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


If we're depending on polls of American citizens to determine what our financial future should be, we're in trouble. The average American household carries $5000 - 7000 in revolving (aka credit card) debt, in which the interest rate is typically 15% or higher.

Pretty worthless poll.

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the poll would have been more useful if it showed the cumulative effect of an individual's selections, and only allowed votes that made a reduction of a certain amount, I don't know what number that should be.

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[quote=Schneed10;710503]If we're depending on polls of American citizens to determine what our financial future should be, we're in trouble. The average American household carries $5000 - 7000 in revolving (aka credit card) debt, in which the interest rate is typically 15% or higher.

Pretty worthless poll.[/quote]

Nonsense...these people vote and don't agree on what to cut. The people they send to congress act based on the voters will. Even worse, the programs that get the least support in cutting are the ones that cost the most.

Worthless poll? I think not.

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[quote=saden1;710509]Nonsense...these people vote and don't agree on what to cut. The people they send to congress act based on the voters will. Even worse, the programs that get the least support in cutting are the ones that cost the most.

Worthless poll? I think not.[/quote]

You're misunderstanding. I get that it's representative of what our country thinks. It's that our nation's citizens are downright retarded when it comes to handling money. This is one area where we shouldn't follow popular opinion.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;710478]I would be happy, slightly, if we cut each one of those areas by the percent of people who want it cut. so 7% cut in SS, 22% cut in Defense, 71% cut in foreign aid, etc etc. It would be a start.

As for not answering the one question, that is your typical trick question. No answer, or any answer, and it would be thrown around and mutilated in the press. People know what they want to be done, but the mass media and political elite work together to run contrarian ideas through the "spin" cycle.

[B]Lotus, if it is a pure racist tendency it will die out, but what if the phrasing was not put into black/white dialogue as it gets portrayed, but instead just a simple, generic, our American culture is creating lots of people nowadays who are more willing to rely on handouts versus working hard and living within our means. Would that be more sustainable.[/B][/quote]

Obviously able-bodied people who would take a handout rather than working are parasites who drag down the economy for the rest of us while they pick our pockets. I have no problem with that part.

But people of all races fit that description. And the Tea Partier in the article specifically couched things in racial terms and there have been plenty of racist signs at Tea Party rallies. That is what I was talking about.

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[quote=saden1;710474]I wish it was that simple because the only spending people seem to want to cut is [URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/04/economistyougov_polling"]foreign aid[/URL].

[IMG]http://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/2010w14/pollquestion400.jpg[/IMG][/quote]And what is hilarious about that is that Foreign Aid is such a minute part of the budget you could eliminate all foreign aid and not make a dent in the national debt.

I'm with S10, the American people as a whole have no clue about the budget and gov't spending.

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Interesting. It's easy to point at the deficit but it ain't easy to leave countries we have invaded. We are gonna spend a trillion on the wars this year. That's is the first step to stop the defeicit. Bush never counted the wars that's why they can point and say Obama ran up the deficit. The deficit is higher simply because Obama counts the wars toward the deficit and Bush didn't.

We don't have the political will to cut spending.

1. Being the troops home, and that cuts most of the deficit right there. Almost all of it.
2. Foreign aid. Yeah cut it all. Cut that before start trying to cut Americans.

Then we can talk about the rest. 65%of Israeili men do not work and having babies 4 and 5 kids. Bump that. How you gonna occupy a country and can't even feed your own kids? That's dumb, you setting yourself up for a big disappointment.

Deficit solved. "The war is making you poor!!!!"

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;710490]Yeah those TEA Partier's are crazy. If they got into power they'd send in predator drones into Pakistan and blow up weddings. They'd drop bombs on Serbian schools. They'd lock people up without a cause and hold them forever. Why those TEA Party people they want to take us back to 1776. Why if they were in power they'd sell out our birthright to the banks. Can't have that can we![/quote]


We need to raise the Soicial Security age by 5 years. Let the flower children pay for all this debt they have caused this country to have. The Tea Party are the flower children. You can look at them and tell. They still think it's the 60's. LOL!!!!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;710530][B]We need to raise the Soicial Security age[/B] [B]by 5 years[/B]. Let the flower children pay for all this debt they have caused this country to have. The Tea Party are the flower children. You can look at them and tell. They still think it's the 60's. LOL!!!![/quote]
your joking, right? and is this FD in disguise?

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If you are being serious about the deficit and national debt then that's the first place you look. That is the biggest expenditure. I mean, according to the Tea Party we are about to fall. I don't agree by the way with rasing the age that much, but what I am doing is just going along with the Tea Party's main argument. We are in debt. What people should realize is the country is not about to fall, the faction that used to rule this country is about to fall. The right wing faction that lives by government careers starting wars but like Rove, Cheney, Fife and all the rest have never ever been in the millitary. That faction is meetin it's destruction. BP, thanks for the oil spill. The ruling coaliton is bleeding everyday in the gulf. Sad we had to trade the gulf for common sense.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;710530]We need to raise the Soicial Security age by 5 years. Let the flower children pay for all this debt they have caused this country to have. The Tea Party are the flower children. You can look at them and tell. They still think it's the 60's. LOL!!!![/quote]

Screw em! They're gonna die anyway!

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[quote=trample the elderly;710760]screw em! They're gonna die anyway![/quote]

lol!!!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;710529]Interesting. It's easy to point at the deficit but it ain't easy to leave countries we have invaded. We are gonna spend a trillion on the wars this year. That's is the first step to stop the defeicit. Bush never counted the wars that's why they can point and say Obama ran up the deficit. The deficit is higher simply because Obama counts the wars toward the deficit and Bush didn't.

We don't have the political will to cut spending.

1. Being the troops home, and that cuts most of the deficit right there. Almost all of it.
2. Foreign aid. Yeah cut it all. Cut that before start trying to cut Americans.

Then we can talk about the rest. 65%of Israeili men do not work and having babies 4 and 5 kids. Bump that. How you gonna occupy a country and can't even feed your own kids? That's dumb, you setting yourself up for a big disappointment.

Deficit solved. "The war is making you poor!!!!"[/quote]

Bush did include some war spending in his budget but its has always been counted against the deficit. Pretty much the same thing that Obama is doing. In the end the deficit is the deficit no matter what the budget was.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;710530]We need to raise the Soicial Security age by 5 years. Let the flower children pay for all this debt they have caused this country to have. The Tea Party are the flower children. You can look at them and tell. They still think it's the 60's. LOL!!!![/quote]

The only reason we need to raise the age on SS is because the government took our money and spent it on something other then what it was collect for in the first place. You liberals bitch and complain every time some company rips off people and spends their money on other stuff but you have no problem with the government doing this with your money month after month. If I did with customers money what they do with SS money I would be in jail. The government does with tax payers money what Madoff did with investors money with the only difference that the government can pay back my money they spent by taxing some other poor ass to pay for my retirement. Madoff did not have that unlimited fund but if he did he would still be ripping off people today. The government can have their SS and shove it up their a$$. And that my friend is how I feel about that.

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[quote=firstdown;710471]He says that because he knows he is part of the problem the one like the people in the Tea Party want to see gone. He wishes the Tea Party would go away and when they run someone against has ass he can sit at home and talk about how they are fading away some more. The left is just as scared of this growing movement. Hell I might donate some money to them because we need other choices then what we have in DC today. [B]What is Congresses approval rating 18% or something like that so I know I'm not the only one who feels we need change[/B].[/quote]

Congress' approval rating is at 18% only because Republicans keep filibustering everything! If Democrats were to get a majority in the Senate then you would see the filibustering stop and their ratings go up.

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hmm, i seem to remember the democrats filibustering a lot as well, (and republicans crying about it) bottom line that is a tool of the minority, and both parties know how to use it (to the detriment of the country, imo)

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[quote=Miller101;710832]Congress' approval rating is at 18% only because Republicans keep filibustering everything! If Democrats were to get a majority in the Senate then you would see the filibustering stop and their ratings go up.[/quote]
Yea right. Maybe its because they all suck and they all need to go.

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[quote=Miller101;710832]Congress' approval rating is at 18% only because Republicans keep filibustering everything! If Democrats were to get a majority in the Senate then you would see the filibustering stop and their ratings go up.[/quote] :lol:

Last time I checked the Dems had a majority in the Senate. They had a supermajority (minority doesn't have enough votes to keep a filibuster going) until the special election was held to fill the seat vacated by Sen. Kennedy's passing was won...in liberal Mass....by a Republican. If that's not an indictment of the Democratic controlled Congress I don't know what is.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;710835]hmm, i seem to remember the democrats filibustering a lot as well, (and republicans crying about it) bottom line that is a tool of the minority, and both parties know how to use it (to the detriment of the country, imo)[/quote]

Dude, Dems never ever filbustered every single bill that came across the Senate Floor for one whole term of Congress. Not ever! So, Trying to compare Republican Filibustering to Democrat Filibustering is like trying to compare George Bush's English to an English Teacher's English.......................It just doesn't make any sense. :)

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[quote=Miller101;710839]Dude, Dems never ever filbustered every single bill that came across the Senate Floor for one whole term of Congress. Not ever! So, Trying to compare Republican Filibustering to Democrat Filibustering is like trying to compare George Bush's English to an English Teacher's English.......................It just doesn't make any sense. :)[/quote]

I'm not going to give history lessons, I am sure others are better, but I promise if you look back, at the period when every judicial nominee was held up due to democratic filibusters, you would find that the democrats have used that tool with a heavy hand when they felt they had too.