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[url=http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14303473]Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many - The Denver Post[/url]



Well think we should try this on a Nationwide level?

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Sounds good to me but it really sounds like a group of city leaders throwing a temper tamper because the people they work for voted against a TRIPLE tax increase. Sounds like they are cutting everything they can to tick people off instead of cutting other stuff that most people would never miss but that how liberals act when they don't get their way. I'm guessing that their tax revenues jumped way up 4 or so years ago so they spent all the extra money on new programs and other stuff. Now that the tax wind fall is over they don't have the money to pay for all the extra spending they did and this happened all over the US from city to city.

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Cutting grass in a park? Police officers qualify as extra? Sounds like you can beat somebody's ass and get away with it in Colorado Springs. I luv it!!!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711578]Cutting grass in a park? Police officers qualify as extra? Sounds like you can beat somebody's ass and get away with it in Colorado Springs. I luv it!!![/quote]

You need to read my post better.

"Sounds like they are cutting everything they can to tick people off instead of cutting other stuff that most people would never miss"

Our area is also cutting back and have ask for citizens to volunteer to cut some areas of grass. The club I'm in has offered to cut a little play area for the kids but at this point have heard nothing from the city. Its not that big of a deal and if we rotate a few people every other week we will probably spend less then 4 hours per person all summer cutting the grass.

I don't know why we don't make all the people receiving unemployment checks work off so many hours each week.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711578]Cutting grass in a park? Police officers qualify as extra? Sounds like you can beat somebody's ass and get away with it in Colorado Springs. I luv it!!![/quote]

Ever heard of broke JTF? What does broke have to do with Tea Partiers, other than they're pissed that we're BROKE?

Hey guess what slave? You have the right to bear arms. You are the ultimate protector of your own life. Since when have the police been there to save you anyway?

Cops are nothing more than social janitors. They pick up the pieces, draw chalk around your corpse, and then try to find out what happened. They're a deterrent at best and revenue collecting arrogant punks at worse.

I personally can't wait until the Henrico Police get the can. Once they're out of the way I can TCB! :headbange

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This is fantastic...tighten that belt.

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FD, is there such a thing as a liberal republican?
Lionel Rivera is the Republican mayor of Colorado Springs, Colorado. Elected in April 2003 and re-elected in 2007 on a mail ballot only election, he is the first Hispanic Vice Mayor and Mayor in the history of Colorado Springs.

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Having lived in Colo Springs for several years, this is a tactic that was used frequently in the 1990's. Colorado had an amendment (don't know if they still do) that required voter approval of any tax increase, so EVERY election, there would be dire stories of how the major government jobs would suffer, and then maybe a week or two later, a civic group against tax hikes would show how other, non essential jobs were being spared and in the end the tax hikes usually failed, and the city continued on with no rampaging crime as a result. It's actually not a bad place to live. Just no oceans :(

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Man, I loved living in Colorado Springs! Best city I have ever lived or visited in the US.... That's all. Nothing to add to the political discussion. :)

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Everyone knows [B]THE WARS ARE MAKING YOU POOR!!!!!!![/B]

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Actually, Colorado Springs thrives on the military. The main boulevard, Academy dead ends at the north at the Air Force Academy, and on the south end it passes by the entrance to Fort Carson, a major US Army post, and where I served. To the east is Peterson Air Base, and in the mountain to the west is NORAD. Yes the city has developed some other economies, but the wars and military spending only boost the Colorado Springs economy

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U pretend millitary spending goes to a base. LOL!!! who are you trying to fool. Millitary spending goes to huge defense contractors. Solidiers get same pay.

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[quote=dmek25;711587]FD, is there such a thing as a liberal republican?
Lionel Rivera is the Republican mayor of Colorado Springs, Colorado. Elected in April 2003 and re-elected in 2007 on a mail ballot only election, he is the first Hispanic Vice Mayor and Mayor in the history of Colorado Springs.[/quote]

Yes, and we have some Dem's here in Va that are pretty conservative. I have actually voted for a few Dem's here in Va. In Va a liberal dem can only run for office in a few areas and would probably never win a state election for Governor.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711602]Everyone knows [B]THE WARS ARE MAKING YOU POOR!!!!!!![/B][/quote]

Wars have very little to no affect on city budgets.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711618]U pretend millitary spending goes to a base. LOL!!! who are you trying to fool. Millitary spending goes to huge defense contractors. Solidiers get same pay.[/quote]Do you really believe a fraction of the stuff that you post????? I would strongly suggest just a bit more research before posting because you often aren't putting yourself in the best light with many of your posts.

Those bases not only employ military personnel, but civilians in the local area and use local civilian contractors for many base support functions. Military bases bring in huge dollars to their local economies.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711618]U pretend millitary spending goes to a base. LOL!!! who are you trying to fool. Millitary spending goes to huge defense contractors. Solidiers get same pay.[/quote]
Ok, so i didn't mention Northrupp Gruman or the other slew of contractors who are employed across from the USAFA or through out the region. Believe me when I say Colo Springs is a military and contractor economy.

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The War makes the deficit bigger, extermely bigger? Do deficits affect city budgets?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711634]The War makes the deficit bigger, extermely bigger? Do deficits affect city budgets?[/quote]Obama and the Dems are in control now and have been since Jan. 2009. Why don't they shut the wars down, they have the power and control?

Increases in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Interest on the national debt all make the deficit bigger not just the wars.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711634]The War makes the deficit bigger, extermely bigger? Do deficits affect city budgets?[/quote]

I'm sure the federal deficit has some affect on city budgets but I don't think its a major factor. Hell if anything Obama has that 700 and some billion for boots on the ground projects so I guess your right that deficit adding pork has done very little to help states and cities creat jobs. I guess we have now come full circle.

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I am not arguing that millitary bases bring in money to local communities, they do. The money being spent on the War is mostly spent at Lockheed Martin, etc, not bases. Everytime they kill a Taliban, that's 10 million dollars please. The trillion dollars spent on the war this year has not made any solidiers richer. Hell thats enough to give every soliier how many dollars? They won't see it. Some CEO's bonus will be spent on some chick with the money we borrowed that is making our deficit stupid big.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711634]The War makes the deficit bigger, extermely bigger? Do deficits affect city budgets?[/quote]

I don't understand your premise. Since the war makes the Federal debt larger it forces a mid sized city to cut "essential services"? Colorado Springs has a budget, it gets money from federal aid, state aid, and local taxes. The city managers have to manage the city with that sum of money. They told the taxpayers that they needed more, much more, and the residents said we don't trust what you are doing. Now the city says ok then we will cut these services and see what happens. For the purposes of the article the Federal Debt only impacts Colorado Springs as far as the interest rates on any bonds they offer, and loans they take out. Your war hypothesis just doesn't really fit into this whole equation, especially since war funding does actually help and not hurt a city like Colorado Springs.

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[quote=firstdown;711639]I'm sure the federal deficit has some affect on city budgets but I don't think its a major factor. Hell if anything Obama has that 700 and some billion for boots on the ground projects so I guess your right that deficit adding pork has done very little to help states and cities creat jobs. I guess we have now come full circle.[/quote]

What 700 billion you talking bout? The 700 billion Bush begged for on TV, for the Wall Street boys he left out. They didn't get in on the insane profit of his boys gasoline futures speculationo, or his Halliburton no bid contracts. They didn't get any of that Trillion. So he had to beg for another 700 billion to cover them.

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here is a subset from the greater colorado springs business journal(number in parenthesis is active businesses):

Dancing Instruction (1)
Data Storage (1)
[B]Defense Contractors (27)
Defense Systems (6)[/B]
Delivery Service-Business & Personal (1)
Demolition (1)
here is the full link in case you want to check it:
[url=http://coloradospringscococ.weblinkconnect.com/CWT/External/WCPages/WCDirectory/Directory.aspx?action=catlist&adkeyword=categorylist]The Greater Colorado Springs Chamber of Commerce[/url]

interestingly the only other category with more businesses (other than "preferred partners") is "Restaurants Bars and Nightclubs" which again from personal knowledge is highly dependent on military funding. :food-smil

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;711643]here is a subset from the greater colorado springs business journal(number in parenthesis is active businesses):

Dancing Instruction (1)
Data Storage (1)
[B]Defense Contractors (27)
Defense Systems (6)[/B]
Delivery Service-Business & Personal (1)
Demolition (1)
here is the full link in case you want to check it:
[url=http://coloradospringscococ.weblinkconnect.com/CWT/External/WCPages/WCDirectory/Directory.aspx?action=catlist&adkeyword=categorylist]The Greater Colorado Springs Chamber of Commerce[/url]

interestingly the only other category with more businesses (other than "preferred partners") is "Restaurants Bars and Nightclubs" which again from personal knowledge is highly dependent on military funding. :food-smil[/quote]

U talking bout contractors who do stuff at the Base (clean up) that is not how the Trillion is spent. It is spent on millitary contractors like Lockheed making toys.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711645]U talking bout contractors who do stuff at the Base (clean up) that is not how the Trillion is spent. It is spent on millitary contractors like Lockheed making toys.[/quote]
No JTF, I am talking about the contractors that make the electronics, companies heavily invested in the war effort you are talking about. i don't know if you are purposely hard headed, or you just don't want to acknowledge the point, but I understand the companies you are referring to and I am telling you that those are people who are living in the colo springs areas. I am very sorry it doesn't fit with your framework mentality.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711645]U talking bout contractors who do stuff at the Base (clean up) that is not how the Trillion is spent. It is spent on millitary contractors like Lockheed making toys.[/quote]You should read this, particularly page 39.

[URL]http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCsQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fas.org%2Fsgp%2Fcrs%2Fnatsec%2FRL33110.pdf&rct=j&q=afghanistan%20war%20funding&ei=VYI3TPTuHcL7lwfLy-HSBw&usg=AFQjCNHjBPsvESRejCx5jQYT4wnzgrFYTw[/URL]

Your "toys" would be included in the procurement line item. But remember these contractors employ people and pay them very well to go over to such a hostile environment to build communications networks and support weapons systems. My company lost one of our very solid local employees to a contractor in Iraq (he got a 40% or so pay increase). The defense contractors need to employ people to make the toys and those are generally good paying jobs.

The contractors employed locally at the bases do a lot more than clean up the base. They often run IT systems or support DoD projects/programs that are specific to each local base. Those jobs also normally pay well and those people spend money in the local economy. So as much as you want to bash defense spending and defense contractors for everything, that simply isn't the case.

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[URL="http://charmcitycurrent.com/meister/tag/sheila-dixon/"]Sheila Dixon « The Politics Meister[/URL]

these gov't pensions and pay are out of control. every time I call any gov't agency or dept they are the rudest most unprofessional people around. i worked a gov't job and from what i saw noone cares, noone does any work.

yet they demand to raise our taxes so that their ridiculus interest on their pension plan stays guaranteed. most of us dont have pensions, those things are dinosaur bones in the private sector, in the govt they are guaranteed like its 1986.

i hate hate hate most govt employees. the only good and helpful ones who actually do their job are people who are new, give them a year then they become rude sefl-entitled jerks who dont do squat except complain.

as to military contracts handed out to the priv contractors, you can make millions off the gov't in the name of military.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711645]U talking bout contractors who do stuff at the Base (clean up) that is not how the Trillion is spent. It is spent on millitary contractors like Lockheed making toys.[/quote]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I have atleast 10 to 15 friends that work or own a small business that do 100% of their business with the local bases. Thats just guys I know there are 1000's of businesses here in our are that contract with the goverment. I would go as far as guessing that more federal money is spent with the small contractors then the big boys like lockheed. By the way Lockheed also employees alot of money so its not like one person is sticking the money in their pocket.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;711642]What 700 billion you talking bout? The 700 billion Bush begged for on TV, for the Wall Street boys he left out. They didn't get in on the insane profit of his boys gasoline futures speculationo, or his Halliburton no bid contracts. They didn't get any of that Trillion. So he had to beg for another 700 billion to cover them.[/quote]

Are you drinking again. I'm talking about Mr Obama's stimulas package that was suppose to fix all the problems but has done pretty much nothing.

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War makes us poor.

[url=http://www.amconmag.com/blog/war-makes-us-poor/]The American Conservative » War Makes Us Poor[/url]

"War is a racket"
Smedley Butler

[url=http://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket]War is a Racket[/url]

I still don't understand what this has to do with the TEA Party? As a matter of fact, this is what is dividing the TEA Party.

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/08/palin-paul-expose-rift-in-tea-party/?fbid=giDgzIRX86m]CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Palin, Paul expose rift in Tea Party « - Blogs from CNN.com[/url]

This is a spat between us right-wingers. AKA the Conservatives, Neo-Cons, and the Libertarians, although the Neo-Cons are socialist IMO. You don't know what it is to be a right winger JTF. So stick to your poliburo talk with the rest of your heathen commie brethren.

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Joethiesmanfan seems to have a hard on for the Tea Party maybe he is dreaming of becoming a Tea Bagger. I'm just saying he seem to start allot of threads about them so he most be doing allot of reading about them.

You guys have a great weekend. I'm heading down to the boat to have my own little Tea Party.

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[quote=firstdown;711664]Are you drinking again. I'm talking about Mr Obama's stimulas package that was suppose to fix all the problems but has done pretty much nothing.[/quote]

Granted it's not a pic of 12thMan's girl, it still looks nice:


[IMG]http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jobs.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=saden1;711679]Granted it's not a pic of 12thMan's girl, it still looks nice:


[IMG]http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jobs.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Wow! I needed a good laugh. I didn't know Sesame Street was putting out graphs!

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[quote=firstdown;711664]Are you drinking again. I'm talking about Mr Obama's stimulas package that was suppose to fix all the problems but has done pretty much nothing.[/quote]
do you forget all of the teachers , police, and fireman jobs that were saved?

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[quote=saden1;711679]Granted it's not a pic of 12thMan's girl, it still looks nice:


[IMG]http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jobs.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Pretty darn close:)

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[quote=firstdown;711572]Sounds good to me but it really sounds like a group of city leaders throwing a temper tamper because the people they work for voted against a TRIPLE tax increase. Sounds like they are cutting everything they can to tick people off instead of cutting other stuff that most people would never miss but [B]that how liberals act [/B]when they don't get their way. I'm guessing that their tax revenues jumped way up 4 or so years ago so they spent all the extra money on new programs and other stuff. Now that the tax wind fall is over they don't have the money to pay for all the extra spending they did and this happened all over the US from city to city.[/quote]

you mean the Republican mayor who's held a great deal of power for several years now throughout various positions?

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[quote=firstdown;711620]Yes, and we have some Dem's here in Va that are pretty conservative. I have actually voted for a few Dem's here in Va. In Va a liberal dem can only run for office in a few areas and would probably never win a state election for Governor.[/quote]

that's why chuck colgan never ran for higher office

hell of a guy though

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;711635]Obama and the Dems are in control now and have been since Jan. 2009. Why don't they shut the wars down, they have the power and control?

Increases in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Interest on the national debt all make the deficit bigger not just the wars.[/quote]

they need to send more troops and finish this up

they need to withdraw

etc etc etc

no matter what the admin announces the opposing side isn't happy with it