More Haynesworth Drama? Big Al Sounds Off After Ravens Game
 

I've locked the other Haynesworth threads and we're going to start with a fresh one. Let's all try to act a bit more civil toward each other on this one

Albert Haynesworth took his most defiant stand yet against Mike Shanahan on Saturday night, saying the Washington Redskins coach underplayed the two-time All-Pro's medical condition in recent days and that he intends to boycott next year's offseason conditioning program as well.

[url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j4qCGpW8XgotE88x22YewCNmDdygD9HO9TV00]The Associated Press: Haynesworth: Redskins underplayed his condition[/url]

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it is what is with him. he is like my two year old just looking for a reaction but has no actual bite.

I am sure MS could give a crap what he is saying.

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"You'll have to ask them, but I guess they'll tell you 'headaches' again," said Haynesworth", Why is it the team's responsibility to report what is wrong..

Shanahan is certainly making it clear that he has to earn his postion, I do like that... nobody is assumed to be in a position. Nice.

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As long as his off-field language doesn't translate to his on-field performance I could care less. Plenty of people run their mouth about their leadership but they still perform up to their abilities. Week 1, Dallas' offense first possession should tell the true tale of Albert Haynesworth.

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I am sure MS could give a crap what he is saying.[/QUOTE]
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I bet that bothers Albert too. He probably wants MS to give a crap and the fact that he doesn't or at least is not showing it pisses off Albie even more. When you have as high an opinion of yourself as Albert does of himself you expect everyone else around you to feel the same.

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A player going to the Media with his "complaints"..never ends well .

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I just think it's time to move on and we should cut the guy. He's really not that good of a player and the defense played well w/out him last year. They seemed to play very well w/out him last night. We've got a new regime here and he doesn't fit well with the new staff. Enough of this bullshit drama. Just cut his lazy crybaby ass.

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[quote=skinsfan69;722889]I just think it's time to move on and we should cut the guy. He's really not that good of a player and the defense played well w/out him last year. They seemed to play very well w/out him last night. We've got a new regime here and he doesn't fit well with the new staff. Enough of this bullshit drama. Just cut his lazy crybaby ass.[/quote]

I agree; he's too much of a hassle.. However, would you want to cut a guy after you give your own 21 millions dollars to him?

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Albert Haynesworth is part of a team. He acts as though he's the whole team. While he may have enough fat for a whole team, he's one player and he's acting like a two-year old child with tantrums. He's a disgrace and the money he's made is outlandish for the little he's contributed. I think it's reaching the point where Snyder should swallow his losses and kick the bum and his headaches, knee problems and potty issues out!

Look at Clinton Portis. He used to be a prima donna - he didn't practice, he went around the coach to the owner, etc. Not anymore. Look at what condition he's in. I expect big things will come of his willingness to participate once more.

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[quote=GridIron26;722890]I agree; he's too much of a hassle.. However, would you want to cut a guy after you give your own 21 millions dollars to him?[/quote]

Yes I would cut him, regardless of the money. At this point we need to just move on. As you said he's just too much of a hassle with all this drama. I've never seen a guy that is more of a train wreck then this fat baby. It would be different if he was any good but the guy plays one play and then he's ineffective for the next few plays and gets pushed around. Enough is enough.

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[quote=Fan033;722891]Albert Haynesworth is part of a team. He acts as though he's the whole team. While he may have enough fat for a whole team, he's one player and he's acting like a two-year old child with tantrums. He's a disgrace and the money he's made is outlandish for the little he's contributed. I think it's reaching the point where Snyder should swallow his losses and kick the bum and his headaches, knee problems and potty issues out!

[B]Look at Clinton Portis. He used to be a prima donna - he didn't practice, he went around the coach to the owner, etc. Not anymore. Look at what condition he's in. I expect big things will come of his willingness to participate once more[/B].[/quote]

Great point here. CP was the biggest malcontent and now you don't here a peep out of the guy. He's in shape, he's running hard, he's done everything they've asked him to do. Yet AH can't get his ass with the program.

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If they cannot reel him in, I am confident Bruce will unload him. I am sure they have Carte Blanche to ditch him "at will" but would like to salvage as much as possible if he cannot be turned from the dark side........

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Awww...I am disappointed Albert wasn't allowed to feel good about himself. It's not right....it's not fair!

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AH should not be cut. Then he gets what he wants (freedom) and we get nothing.

AH should be traded only if we can get something decent for him. Otherwise, he should be left to rot on the bench a la Lavar Arrington.

If he continues to use his mouth as a distraction, then he should be suspended, a la Keyshawn Johnson.

Shanny has done all of the right things. You can't let one player be bigger than the team.

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And so the pendulum swings again. I'm not going to give a damn because it will keep on swinging.

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Maybe he should take Glen Coffee as an example for himself and listen to his inner voice. But well, that probably just tells him "Lunch can be eaten five times a day"

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[quote=skinsfan69;722894]Great point here. CP was the biggest malcontent and now you don't here a peep out of the guy. He's in shape, he's running hard, he's done everything they've asked him to do. Yet AH can't get his ass with the program.[/quote]

I put a lot into Clinton Portis' new attitude due to Shanny, it was his first coach, and also to whom he is most loyal.

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Trade him for Vincent Jackson if possible and get it over with. Jackson is rumored to be going to Seattle and has been allowed to negotiate with them, so let's beat that deadline.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;722908]Trade him for Vincent Jackson if possible and get it over with. Jackson is rumored to be going to Seattle and has been allowed to negotiate with them, so let's beat that deadline.[/quote]

SD is not going to make that deal. He doesn't fit their 3-4 scheme.

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Haynesworth is lazy. He doesn't want to work. That's why he skips training camp, and that's why he only plays about 25% of the time. In any other business this guy would have been fired a long, long time ago. I want to cut him, but I agree with Lotus in that we'd essentially be caving to his demands. So, they should find a way to suspend him for the rest of the season, or as long as they can. I'm so fed up with Haynesworth. Dude is a gigantic pussy.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;722910]Dude is a gigantic pussy.[/quote]

Correction. 340 pound PUSSY!! :)

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;722910]Haynesworth is lazy. He doesn't want to work. That's why he skips training camp, and that's why he only plays about 25% of the time. In any other business this guy would have been fired a long, long time ago. I want to cut him, but I agree with Lotus in that we'd essentially be caving to his demands. So, they should find a way to suspend him for the rest of the season, or as long as they can. I'm so fed up with Haynesworth.[SIZE=3] [B]Dude is a gigantic pussy[/B][/SIZE].[/quote]

WTF.....just because the ESPN clerical staff passed the fitness test before he could??? Harsh.......

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;722910]Haynesworth is lazy. He doesn't want to work. That's why he skips training camp, and that's why he only plays about 25% of the time. In any other business this guy would have been fired a long, long time ago. I want to cut him, but I agree with Lotus in that we'd essentially be caving to his demands. So, they should find a way to suspend him for the rest of the season, or as long as they can. I'm so fed up with Haynesworth. Dude is a gigantic pussy.[/quote]

I just think it comes a point and a time where enough is enough. Kinda like what Pittsburgh did with Santonio Holmes. They just got tired of his bullshit and decided that they needed to move on. Yeah they got compensation but it was a 5th rounder. Not fair value for his talent but to them the value really didn't matter. They just wanted him out.

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I think if I were Shanny, I'd tell him you wouldn't be playing in the 3'rd quarter if you worked you arse off to get on the 1'st team. He is a cancer. I, for one, will not be surprised WHEN NOT IF he gets suspended.

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[quote=Giantone;722865]A player going to the Media with his "complaints"..never ends well .[/quote]

We have a winner. Well said Giantone. I was so pissed to see that first thing this morning on Espn with Albert in front of his locker talking to the media. People saying Shanny doesnt care, I bet he was pretty pissed about it cause he seems like the type who prefers to keep things in house. Its just extremely unprofessional by Albert, and in that statement basically states I could careless about my teammates.

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[quote=Chico23231;722916]We have a winner. Well said Giantone. I was so pissed to see that first thing this morning on Espn with Albert in front of his locker talking to the media. [B]People saying Shanny doesnt care, I bet he was pretty pissed about it cause he seems like the type who prefers to keep things in house[/B]. Its just extremely unprofessional by Albert, and in that statement basically states I could careless about my teammates.[/quote]
I think Shanny is probably the.....LAST guy you want to piss off. He is the kind to get even!

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I should have waited to post the [SIZE="5"]big hairy cat pic [/SIZE]for this thread. He wastes every minute of his life, sad.

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[quote=Hog1;722912]WTF.....just because the ESPN clerical staff passed the fitness test before he could??? Harsh.......[/quote]

Yes, the majority of skins fans think he is a big fat putty cat just because an ESPN clerical staff member passed the fitness test he couldnt.

the majority of skins and football fans opinions are not in any way shaped by the following:

the fact that shanny and allen told him a few weeks before he was due the 21 mil dollar bonus in april that he had been paid over 12 mil for the 1st year of work which was fair and reasonable and that if he didnt want to be a part of this team and the 3-4 that they would release him out right making him free to sign with any team if he voided his contract and didnt collect the 21 mil. but if he did accept the 21 mil then he would accept whatever role the skins the wanted him to play, NT DE or safety.

he took the 21 mil dollar check.

he then tried to force a trade.

he missed the OTAs b/c he was working hard with his personal trainer.

he comes into TC and has to pass a conditioning test. he finishes the first leg then takes an over ten minute break in between. he then takes 6-7 days to pass the conditioning test.

he then had various ailments that prevent him from putting in any actual work.

he misses all of the weeks practices leading up to the ravens game.

he played half hearted against the ravens.

he then does his post game interview.

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This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.

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I can't ever remember hating a Redskins player this much. I can't stand this dude. I want him off this team so badly. I mentioned in another locked thread last night- I hope we go the route that Philly/Tampa did with TO/Meshawn.

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Despite his efforts to force the contrary, AH is not the important story from the Ravens game. Kareem Moore is.

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[quote=Defensewins;722923]This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
[B]Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride! [/B]Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.[/quote]

I coudnt agree with you more here.

Its seems though he is so annoyed with something, I wonder if he would back them up this year. Maybe not just spite Shanny.

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[quote=Defensewins;722923]

Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?

Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.[/quote]

IMO on a fan football forum; lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish, just plain ol' stupid = putty cat.

haynesworth is a skins player, we are fans, we can type putty cat next to his name in our posts if we feel that way IMO.

the whole internet tough guy, hiding behind a computer screen cliche really doesnt apply to fans talking about a professional player.

if it was 2 average joes, then yes i agree that using fighting words over the net is putty cat.

just my 2 cents.

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[quote=Defensewins;722923]This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
[B]Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride! [/B]
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrec t and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.[/quote]

Thats great in hockey, where post whistle intimidation is part of the game and enforcers are given a job. However in football that results in a 15 yard penalty. It's an honor to bait your opponent into smacking you after the whistle.

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[quote=Defensewins;722923]This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.[/quote]

Really? So if anyone here has negative opinions about a player, if they voice them from behind a computer screen they're a pussy? Nah. It's a fan forum. This whole site is based on our opinions.

Nobody else had the guts or pride? I lol'd. The guy shoved a few dudes by the sideline. Big deal. He's a hot head. It's what he does. If it really came down to it, you don't think a London Fletcher or a Philip Daniels would back up their teammates? Come on.

The way Haynesworth has acted and carried himself, well, pussy is a darn good adjective if you ask me. Along with lazy, childish, fat, and arrogant.

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[quote=Defensewins;722923]This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
[B]Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride![/B]
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.[/quote]

So you think he's worth the hassle cause he defended a teammate in a fight? This isn't MMA. To me the guy is a pussy cause he let's his teammates down. To me that's the issue, not defending guys in a push and shove match.

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[quote=Lotus;722902]AH should not be cut. Then he gets what he wants (freedom) and we get nothing.

AH should be traded only if we can get something decent for him. Otherwise, he should be left to rot on the bench a la Lavar Arrington.

If he continues to use his mouth as a distraction, then he should be suspended, a la Keyshawn Johnson.

Shanny has done all of the right things. You can't let one player be bigger than the team.[/quote]


I agree Lotus, but the big question is when is enough enough? Shanny should just hit the mute button(meaning ignore AH and his BS) with regards to AH and let him just screw around with the 2 string for the rest of his contract here. Sooner or later AH is going to wise up that we aren't going to release him and the longer he screws around the less likely any teams will want him once his contract with us is up. I wouldn't call this guy a pussy since he could beat my ass into the ground, but he definitely doesn't want to work. The guy is one lazy bastard!!!!

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/22/report-haynesworth-likely-has-rhabdomyolysis/]Report: Haynesworth likely has rhabdomyolysis | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

If this is the case, then i can understand him being upset about Shanahan just dismissing it as a headache.

Haynesworth wanting to play with the starters though is complete bs to me. He has missed a couple days of practice this week, missed 10 days because of conditioning, and did not attend offseason workouts. For him to feel entitled to play with the starters at this point is ridiculous.

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Rhabdomyolysis sidelined Haynesworth in practice

Add another problem to the long list of issues stirring conflict between Coach Mike Shanahan and defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth: rhabdomyolysis.

The condition causes the rapid breakdown of skeletal muscle because of injury to muscle tissue, and rhabdomyolysis is what sidelined Haynesworth in practice last week, three people familiar with the situation said Sunday.

Tony Wyllie, Redskins' senior vice president, said Sunday afternoon the team would have no comment on Haynesworth until Coach Mike Shanahan addreses the media after practice Monday.

Shanahan has discussed Haynesworth's symptoms but hasn't revealed an exact diagnosis. Experts say that Haynesworth's ability to play in Saturday's game likely means he's recovered from the condition. They also warn, though, that the fact that Haynesworth was suffering from rhabdomyolsis might also indicate that he wasn't in proper shape to practice in the summer heat.

"Rhabdomyolysis is basically a condition in which you have extensive muscle breakdown," said Dr. Lynne P. Yao, chairman-elect of the National Kidney Foundation. "It doesn't happen as often in well-conditioned athletes, but if there's really extreme circumstances -- like extremely hot weather -- than that could happen. when you have large amounts of muscle breakdown."

Experts say rhabdomyolysis is a breakdown of muscle fibers, which prompts the release of toxic myoglobin into the bloodstream.

Haynesworth lashed out after Saturday night's 23-3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens, saying the team is underplaying the severity of the medical condition that prompted him to sit out practice at Redskins Park. Haynesworth also contends that team officials are still holding his absence during the offseason conditioning program against him, and he announced he plans to skip next season's voluntary conditioning program.

In speaking with reporters after the game, Haynesworth never mentioned Shanahan by name, but multiple team sources said the two-time all-pro performer's anger is directed at Shanahan because he has described Haynesworth's condition as being "more of a headache than anything else." Haynesworth declined to reveal specifics about maladies that prompted him to cut short his participation in practice Tuesday as well as miss the sessions Wednesday and Thursday, but team medical personnel last week diagnosed him with Rhabdomyolysis.

The condition is caused by injury or strain and, in some cases, causes severe problems with kidney functions. People who experience severe physical trauma, such as car crashes, are more susceptible to rhabdomyolysis, experts say.

Another Redskins player suffered from rhabdomyolysis last season, one of the team sources said. Treatment includes the aggressive use of intravenous fluids, but there is no medication available.

In an interview late Saturday after the game, Haynesworth expressed frustration about the way things have been characterized because he "just wants people to say the truth about what's going on. That's it. A headache? That's not what's going on."

Meanwhile, several of Haynesworth's teammates simply shook their heads in disbelief when informed of the latest dust up between Shanahan and Haynesworth. One defensive veteran aware of Haynesworth's condition said he understood why Haynesworth was upset, but also sided with Shanahan in saying that Shanahan would never reveal details about any player's medical condition to the media.

Another defensive player tired of the conflict said he could not understand why Haynesworth seemed to be upset. It is common knowledge within the locker room that the Redskins plan for Haynesworth to start at right defensive end, his desired position in the team's new 3-4 scheme, and it just doesn't make sense for Haynesworth to continue to poke Shanahan, the player said.

"I know what type of player I am and what I can do" if the Redskins let him, he said in the interview late Saturday night. "I just want people to tell the truth."

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[quote=Dirtbag359;722932]Thats great in hockey, where post whistle intimidation is part of the game and enforcers are given a job. However in football that results in a 15 yard penalty. It's an honor to bait your opponent into smacking you after the whistle.[/quote]

No sir, I am talking about immediately after the whistle 175 pound DeAngelo Hall was getting his ass kicked by two large NY giants 265 pounfd Jacobs abd 300 pound Beatty. Haynesworth was the only one to come in a defend DeAngelo. The other Redskins stood and watched. Which it sounds like given your response above is what you would do in that situation.
I am [B]not[/B] talking about a player picking a fight just to be an a-hole or a bully.That I agree with you is for other sports.