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HUGE difference from 2009 preseason to 2010 present!
You may not know it now,but you will...I'm a numbers freak! lol:httr:
A statistician if you will. They may mean nothing or they mean everything,but regardless of importance..I love to crunch the numbers for comparisons. What I decided to do,is crunch the numbers for these meaningless preseason games and compare last seasons (preseason) 4-12 season of abortion to our current progress at the present time now. You might be stunned at the differences. (or maybe not..lol) [B]2009[/B] ------------------------ Preseason game 1: Baltimore Ravens We lost 23-0 [URL="http://http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009081352/2009/PRE1/redskins@ravens#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore"]http://http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009081352/2009/PRE1/redskins@ravens#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore[/URL] As you will notice,we allowed 399 net yards passing & 101 net yards rushing for the game. We had 140 net yards passing and 56 net yards rushing. So they had 500 net total yards to our 196 net yards. They had 21 1st downs to our 11 1st downs They had 7/18 or 38% Third Down Efficiency We had 1/11 or 9% Third Down Efficiency [B]2010[/B] --------------------- Against the Bills? We won 42-17 [URL="http://http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010081351/2010/PRE1/bills@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore"]http://http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010081351/2010/PRE1/bills@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore[/URL] They had 147 net yards passing & 146 net yards rushing We had 212 net yards passing & 140 net yards rushing So they had 293 net total yards to our 352 net total yards They had 15 1st downs to our 24 1st downs They had 1/10 or 10% Third Down Efficiency We had 12/19 or 63% Third Down Efficiency [B]Summary: we obviously looked better from 1 season ago at 1st game. I could have done more with stats on sacks,turnovers or whatever..but I just wanted to give you a taste of how much improved,discipline or however you want to look at it. Anyways,I left links to these,so you can do any research and compare for yourselves if you wish. [/B] Lets look at the 2nd preseason games in comparison from both season? [B]2009[/B] ----------------------------- Preseason game 2 We won 17-13 [URL="http://http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009082252/2009/PRE2/steelers@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore"]http://http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009082252/2009/PRE2/steelers@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore[/URL] Steelers had 139 net yards passing & 99 net yards rushing We had 137 net yards passing & 167 net yards rushing So they had 238 net total yards to our 304 net total yards They had 13 1st downs to our 20 1st downs They had 7/13 or 43% Third Down Efficiency We had 9/18 or 50% Third Down Efficiency [B]2010[/B] -------------------- Against the Ravens? We lost 23-3 [URL="http://http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010082151/2010/PRE2/ravens@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore"]http://http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010082151/2010/PRE2/ravens@redskins#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-boxscore[/URL] Ravens had 253 net yards passing & 143 net yards rushing We had 365 net yards passing & 25 net yards rushing So they had 396 net total yards to our 390 net total yards They had 23 1st downs to our 20 1st downs They had 1/10 or 10% Third Down Efficiency We had 4/13 or 30% Third Down Efficiency [B]Summary: This loss can easily be directed towards our 2 lost fumbles....our 2 INT's...and our red Red Zone Efficiency which was 0/3. However,although we did not play very well,we still managed to force 4 fumbles and we did well on defense against them on 3rd down only allowing 1/10 tries. What hurt us the most was probably the 8 for 58 yards in penalties and the inability to score the TD's in the redzone and the missed FG. But overall....We played with these guys even though...we did not run the ball well. It's nice to be able to rely on the passing game when you just can't find any running lanes.[/B] You can check the patriots preseason game if you wish..I just wanted to give you guys a breakdown on a few things... 3 things you'll notice from just looking at what I have above.. 1st)Our pass defense has greatly improved from last season from just preseason. 2nd)Our Third Down Efficiency is a whole lot better. 3rd) and what i don't have listed,which should be obvious is our caused turnovers which haslet has promised. We sure had a bunch against the jets. But the BIG ONE..is this one folks... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mcnabb was 5/8 for 58 yards a 1 TD in the 1st game. Grossman was 11/18 140 yards and 2 TD's in the 1st game J.Beck 2/7 for 27 yards Mcnabb was 11/26 206 yards and 1 INT in 2nd game Grossman was 14/21 for 196 yards and 1 INT Against jets? Grossman was 8/16 for 111 yards Beck was 7/11 for 76 yards Bartel 3/5 for 44 yards and 1 TD So in total... --------------------------------------- Mcnabb has been 16/34 for 264 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT Grossman has been 33/55 for 447 yards with 2 TD's and 1 INT Beck has been 9/16 for 103 yards Bartel 3/5 for 44 yards and 1 TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 858 total passing yards with 1 game still remaining. Jason Campbell ---------------------------------------------------------------- 3/6 for 38 yards (game 1) 1/7 for 10 yards (game 2) 13/22 for 209 yards (game 3) 4/6 for 33 yards (game 4) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21/41 for 290 yards with 0 TD's and 0 INT's It was scary,when I saw these numbers... Thank you Shanny! HTTR |
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In summary, we are worse than last year because we have Rex Grossman, BUT we are better than last year because we have Rex Grossman!
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[quote=GTripp0012;724959]In summary, we are worse than last year because we have Rex Grossman, BUT we are better than last year because we have Rex Grossman![/quote]
Good to have GTripp light on the site. It's all about drinkability. |
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Good stuff aceinthehouse, but can you give me the winning power ball numbers PLEASE!.
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I also remember that Zorn pretty much "gave up" in the Pats game.
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If there's been one recurring pattern about Redskins exhibition seasons of late, it's that when we look good (Osaka) it doesn't mean much. But if we look bad, we'll probably be bad in the regular season.
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who cares? it's pre season.
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^^ seriously, these numbers really don't mean jack-s***. It's preseason so the level of play is completely different. Teams can look great in the preseason and suck and vice versa.
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[quote=skinsfan69;724983]who cares? it's pre season.[/quote]
Exactly. A massive WHO CARES. The Colts have lost 22 of their last 26 preseason games. And all they do is win 12+ every year. Steve Spurrier kicked major preseason ass. Meaningless. |
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Doesn't mean squat, like a few people in other threads have said Spurrier was 4-0 in preseason, that was enough for folks to figure out how to defend the Fun n Gun. Also your comparison of JC and the guys from this season is bunk. JC wasn't in any of the games long enough to really produce, while this preseason is more pass happy than others in recent memory. Also, why don't you do a comparison about the running game? Again that would be worthless since we are not running as often it seems this preseason, so ther fact that we have sucked at rushing so far is also a moot point. Bottom line is you can't compare the two years as there are too many different variables to take into account from 2009 to now.
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Stats mean jack in preseason.
Your better off looking at the games themselves.... Look at the QB position and how there is better decision making. Look at the WR's and how they are getting seperation at the line of scrimmage, how they throw off the defender now with suttle moves for which Hixon failed to teach. The defense which was touted by both G.Williams and Blache to be a blitzing machine and ball hawking scheme, yet failed to get a good blitz and failed to create turnovers. I was very against Haslett with the understanding that his Rams and Saints sucked at defense. Hopefully I'm wrong and the defense continues to shine. |
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[quote=Beemnseven;724982]If there's been one recurring pattern about Redskins exhibition seasons of late, it's that when we look good (Osaka) it doesn't mean much. But if we look bad, we'll probably be bad in the regular season.[/quote]
Exactly my sentiments. We don't look bad at all, but there is room for improvement come Sept12th. Many bright spots with individual perfromances, as well as unit performances, but our run D is lacking,and our run O looks dreadful. I know we have played the top Ds for the past 2 games, but still, you have to break some for more than a yard or two gain. |
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[quote=SBXVII;725016]Stats mean jack in preseason.
Your better off looking at the games themselves.... Look at the QB position and how there is better decision making. Look at the WR's and how they are getting seperation at the line of scrimmage, how they throw off the defender now with suttle moves for which Hixon failed to teach. The defense which was touted by both G.Williams and Blache to be a blitzing machine and ball hawking scheme, yet failed to get a good blitz and failed to create turnovers. I was very against Haslett with the understanding that his Rams and Saints sucked at defense. Hopefully I'm wrong and the defense continues to shine.[/quote] SBXXVII is right, you have to look at each game by themselves, and also look at the individual and unit performances by themselves also. Preseason is just practice and an audition roled up into one within real game conditions. |
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Chill out guys, all he is saying is there is a difference this year so far. Pre season isn't important but the effort of this team is. We have a new attitude going in to this season. Were tired of being the underdog in this division. In 2 weeks we will see a new era of solid football. No more laughing stock bull shit
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^^ Agreed Skins. This team is much improved over what it looked like last year.
Also to all those who say preseason doesn't matter in terms of wins and loses that is true, but at the same time like some one else said, if we look bad in the preseason we most likely carry that over to the regualar season where it does count. We do have a passing attack this year. The running game is up in the air but I will wait to determine how this is going to be come the regular season. The Offensive line is holding up well in pass protection, preseason or not a hat on a hat blocking is nice to see. I like the thread, but maybe not all the stats as most of us have seen them, but this does bring up a good topic to discuss. |
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[quote=SBXVII;725016]Stats mean jack in preseason.
Your better off looking at the games themselves.... Look at the QB position and how there is better decision making. Look at the WR's and how they are getting seperation at the line of scrimmage, how they throw off the defender now with suttle moves for which Hixon failed to teach. The defense which was touted by both G.Williams and Blache to be a blitzing machine and ball hawking scheme, yet failed to get a good blitz and failed to create turnovers. [B]I was very against Haslett with the understanding that his Rams and Saints sucked at defense.[/B] Hopefully I'm wrong and the defense continues to shine.[/quote] I'm still not sold on Haslett's D. Hopefully we are both wrong. Pre Season is what it is. An evaluation of depth. |
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[quote=GMScud;725012]Exactly. A massive WHO CARES. The Colts have lost 22 of their last 26 preseason games. And all they do is win 12+ every year. Steve Spurrier kicked major preseason ass. Meaningless.[/quote]
Uh, we are NOT the Colts..... |
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[quote=beemnsevenspop;725062]Uh, we are NOT the Colts.....[/quote]
Uh, that wasn't his point |
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beemnsevenspop... you are definately not drinking any Koolaid are you. more like some sour ass the redskins suck Koolaid.... :)
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[quote=SmootSmack;725065]Uh, that wasn't his point[/quote]
OK, since I apparently missed it, what WAS his point? |
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Does anyone else feel like our players are mentally sharper?
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[quote=beemnsevenspop;725069]OK, since I apparently missed it, what WAS his point?[/quote]
I believe the point was that preseason is not a good barometer for the regular season (see Colts). And in many cases meaningless, especially when taken as a whole.....first's on first's notwithstanding........ |
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Yes, they actually have a coach Saden!!
I also feel that with the scheme change and the amount of time that the players and coaches have spent around each other this offseason learning the nuances of what they are trying to do is showing up on the field. It may not be showing on the scoreboard yet but I am sure that coach likes what he is seeing in some respects in the film room. I was hoping to see a team lead by our running game this year, but I am not so sure on that point just yet. |
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Still trying to figure out just what kind of team we're going to be. Don't put too much stock in preseason games, they're basically played for the purpose of evaluation and a process for elimination.
Two things I've witnessed so far that must be improved upon....running the ball and stopping the run. Stats, I'm not so much concerned about at this time. |
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[quote=Longtimefan;725086]Still trying to figure out just what kind of team we're going to be. Don't put too much stock in preseason games, they're basically played for the purpose of evaluation and a process for elimination.
[B]Two things I've witnessed so far that must be improved upon....running the ball [/B]and stopping the run. Stats, I'm not so much concerned about at this time.[/quote] The red flag is going up for me if they can't begin to stop the run -- that's definitely a concern. I just posted in another thread that our running game is lacking now because there are three new guys on the line who have yet to play a full game together -- to get a sense of how they're going to gel as a unit. There simply hasn't been enough time for them to develop chemistry just yet. Remember, only Dockery and Rabach have playing time with each other. I'm not worried about the rushing attack yet. |
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[quote=Beemnseven;725089]The red flag is going up for me if they can't begin to stop the run -- that's definitely a concern.
I just posted in another thread that our running game is lacking now because there are three new guys on the line who have yet to play a full game together -- to get a sense of how they're going to gel as a unit. There simply hasn't been enough time for them to develop chemistry just yet. Remember, only Dockery and Rabach have playing time with each other. I'm not worried about the rushing attack yet.[/quote] I'm impressed with the physicality of the o-line. Should they continue to play with drive and determination, the running game should improve. I agree with the assertion that the more reps they get together, the more the production should increase. |
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[quote=Hog1;725082]I believe the point was that preseason is not a good barometer for the regular season (see Colts). And in many cases meaningless, especially when taken as a whole.....first's on first's notwithstanding........[/quote]
Preach |
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People are scared of how our defense is playing and yet the 1st team has given up 1 offensive TD by the ravens. From the 1 yard line and from that fake punt.
Yes,I've noticed that we are giving up rushing yards,but football isn't about yards and stats. it's what team puts the most points on the scoreboard. Not to mention Fat Al has been running with the 2nd team for all of preseason except for a few snaps against the jets. Where he tossed Mangold like a rag doll. I love what I have seen. Gang tackling... more caused turnovers as Haslet promised And everyone flying to the ball and not walking around. If this is vanilla,then we are going to be crazy good. And our pass defense is awesome.. I mean..I had no idea carlos rogers could cover people...SERIOUSLY! lol D-hall is a flat out playmaker. Where are the haters on his aquisition? Come out now... And the passing game is night and day from last year... We actually throw the ball past 10 yards from the line of scrimmage...it's really a neat concept..lol I am concerned about the running game. Not because our O-line can't run block... But because I'm wondering if ANY of our RB's are simply... fast enough. That does concern me.... But I think that will open up,when Mcnabb is throwing 70 yard darts to armstrong or moss.. Great passing opens up the running game,just like it does vice versa(playaction,etc).. No worries on my end Skins fans!! |
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[quote=Hog1;725082]I believe the point was that preseason is not a good barometer for the regular season [B](see Colts)[/B]. And in many cases meaningless, especially when taken as a whole.....first's on first's notwithstanding........[/quote]
HE points to the Colts - YOU point to the Colts, but when I point out that the 'Skins aren't the Colts, I'm told "You're missing the point." And I'M the one being accused of drinking Kool Aid....... |
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[quote=beemnsevenspop;725125]HE points to the Colts - YOU point to the Colts, but when I point out that the 'Skins aren't the Colts, I'm told "You're missing the point."
And I'M the one being accused of drinking Kool Aid.......[/quote] I can't imagine anyone is saying you're drinking any cool aid, but maybe you should ease off the beem n seven. So let's recap 1. Original poster says we're better this preseason than last 2. GMScud says don't read much into preseason because it doesn't necessarily reflect what happens in the regular season. See: the colts 3. No one I'd sayin we're the colts. Scud could have said see the Lions and the point would have been the same |
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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;725068]beemnsevenspop... you are definately not drinking any Koolaid are you. [B]more like some sour ass the redskins suck Koolaid....[/B] :)[/quote]
he may have been refering to this. |
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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;725141]he may have been refering to this.[/quote]
Yeah i know |
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[quote=saden1;725080]Does anyone else feel like our players are mentally sharper?[/quote]
Yes. The best thing I have seen is that our efforts look actually professionally competent. It seems to me in the past we (the fans and the team) felt like we were a good enough team to win 10+ games every season...if we execute perfectly and stay healthy. With this team and regime I feel like we don't necessarily have to be perfect to be competitive. It's funny how a change in approach brings a team to another level. Maybe we only win7 or so games hits year...but it'll be because we have some talent gaps...it wont be because we're out-coached, out-efforted or unprepared. |
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[quote=GMScud;725012]Exactly. A massive WHO CARES. The Colts have lost 22 of their last 26 preseason games. And all they do is win 12+ every year. [B]Steve Spurrier kicked major preseason ass. Meaningless[/B].[/quote]
Who can ever forget Osaka. lol. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;725144]Yeah i know[/quote]
sorry o great one... i forget you see all sometimes. [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG] |
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[quote=FRPLG;725158]Yes. The best thing I have seen is that our efforts look actually professionally competent. It seems to me in the past we (the fans and the team) felt like we were a good enough team to win 10+ games every season...if we execute perfectly and stay healthy. With this team and regime I feel like we don't necessarily have to be perfect to be competitive. It's funny how a change in approach brings a team to another level. Maybe we only win7 or so games hits year...but it'll be because we have some talent gaps...[B]it wont be because we're out-coached, out-efforted or unprepared[/B].[/quote]
I agree 100%. |
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[quote=skinsfan69;725165]Who can ever forget Osaka. lol.[/quote]
I'll never forget that weekend. I was at a wedding in Sarasota, Fl. Total blast. The game was on TV, and I was with a bunch of college friends in the hotel that night. We were playing drinking games and for some reason we were all wearing sombreros. For the life of me I can't remember why. We were all UF students at the time, so there was a big interest for us with Spurrier and all. Hammered drunk. Great times. |
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[quote=FRPLG;725158]Yes. The best thing I have seen is that our efforts look actually professionally competent. It seems to me in the past we (the fans and the team) felt like we were a good enough team to win 10+ games every season...if we execute perfectly and stay healthy. With this team and regime I feel like we don't necessarily have to be perfect to be competitive. It's funny how a change in approach brings a team to another level. Maybe we only win7 or so games hits year...but it'll be because we have some talent gaps[B]...it wont be because we're out-coached, out-efforted or unprepared.[/B][/quote]
This is why I'm so excited about this season. The FO knows how to prepare, execute, & make adjustments to a game plan. HTTR. |
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This has nothing to do with us winning or losing...this is not some "Colts" comparison...
This is a graph of all the little things improving. A sample in just a few meaningless games. But not so meaningless. What's you see is the team improving in all phases of the game to become great. All the little things. We're causing more turnovers We're getting more 1st downs Our 3rd down efficiency is much better All these things are not because of mcnabb.. Or because we Trent williams... Or because we moved landry to F.Safety... None of these.. All these certainly help and are upgrades... but not why we are playing discipline football here. it's because i'm seeing the attention to detail, by this coaching staff to correct all the "little" things to make this team superb! There not just changing schemes guys... That was the easy part. They're changing the culture in the locker room The attitude The aggressiveness on Defense Like a Drill Seargent ... They're breaking these guys down and building them back up to what Shanny wants of them. I know many don't see or even respect this... But as a former Coach myself...I sure do and this is certainly not easy to do Period... Let alone in 1 offseason Those of you who have us predicted to go 8-8 or worse with a HOF coach and Mcnabb,should have your fan card examined or your head..one of the 2. (But I guess I understand....I think our Players have been thinking like some of you guys for far too long and that has changed with Shanny and staff) This team will win 10 games minimum!! Book it! (I say 14) |
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Re your 1st observation, SmootSmack:
[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;725068]beemnsevenspop... you are definately not drinking any Koolaid are you. more like some sour ass the redskins suck Koolaid.... :)[/QUOTE] Re your subsequent 1, 2, and 3: I recognize that preseason is a means to fine-tool what was learned in training camp, and is designed to evaluate talent and determine who stays, and who is kicked to the curb. In the end, hopefully everyone realizes that the preseason win/loss record is meaningless. However, GOOD teams who perform dismally in preseason possess an innate ability, when things count, to kick it up a notch or twelve and behave on the field like they care. (See GMScud's remark concerning the Colts.) Other teams, who perform dismally (or marginally) during preseason, seem to have a knack for carrying their losing/"I'm here for the money, don't you know?" attitudes on to the field for the next seventeen weeks. (See GMScud's remark concerning Spurrier.) The Colts belong to the former group, and the 'Skins, well, despite some notable exceptions thus far, are destined, I fear, to return to their old mentalities. We may have an improved attitude (just how much improved will become apparent over the course of the season), but the talent pool is woefully deficient, IMO. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but old habits - as defined by our prior seventeen-year performance - are hard to break. I interpreted his inclusion of the Colts in his remarks as an invitation to draw a comparison between us and them; hence, my observation, "We are not the Colts". There simply IS no comparison. And that was MY point. |
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