Republicans meet Jan Brewer Governor of Arizona
 

I'm sure many of you have heard about or watched Arizona Republican Governor Jan Brewer's colossal meltdown at the debate last night, but if you haven't seen it this is a sight to behold!

It's everywhere online. Here is a quick youtube link.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUPKKbmWMZ8&feature=topvideos"]YouTube - OMG this is so embarrassing ....Save us from Jan Brewer![/ame]

Oh yeah she is under investigation for some serious sketchy stuff with regards to the immigration law that she passed and the fact that the head of her campaign is a lobbyist for a prison company in Arizona that stands to make tons of money off the whole deal.

Of course she is way ahead in the polls.

That's the Republican nominee and current Governor of the state of Arizona. What is going on?

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That wasn't exactly eloquent, but I wouldn't call it a "colossal meltdown" either. It was really weak though- like she had something serious going on that had her totally detached, or her earpiece failed on her and whoever was giving her lines couldn't be heard. She's a stooge like every other politician.

It was the kind of fail that reminds me of what we hear when Obama speaks sans teleprompters.

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[quote=GMScud;727915]That wasn't exactly eloquent, but I wouldn't call it a "colossal meltdown" either. [/quote]

Oh that's just the beginning of the debate. It gets worse!

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Where do they find these people? You're running for governor for god sake and this is a f'ing opening statement of the first debate...you should be ready to "bang, bang, bang...vote for me...thank you." In a more perfect world Jan Brewer wouldn't win an elected office with her nonsensical references to beheadings and bogus crime rate increase claims. I pray that the people of AZ are smarter than I think they are.

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Maybe its because our ****ing dumb ass president has turned her and the state of Arizona into the United Nations for violating human rights. Yes our ****ing dumb ass president has now involved the united nations into our business. Sense he is such a weak ass he has to get othesr involved to attack our own people and states. I've never heard of such BS by a president in my life. He should just go back on vacation because everything else around him is also going to shit. I'm sure you liberals will fine a good excuse for this..

governor-brewer-takes-on-the-united-nations-the-us-department-of-state-and-the-obama-administration-again


PS i for got he is on another vaction. lol

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Typical.

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[quote=firstdown;727951][B]Maybe its because our ****ing dumb ass[/B] [B]president[/B] has turned her and the state of Arizona into the United Nations for violating human rights. Yes our ****ing dumb ass president has now involved the united nations into our business. Sense he is such a weak ass he has to get othesr involved to attack our own people and states. I've never heard of such BS by a president in my life. He should just go back on vacation because everything else around him is also going to shit. I'm sure you liberals will fine a good excuse for this..

governor-brewer-takes-on-the-united-nations-the-us-department-of-state-and-the-obama-administration-again


PS i for got he is on another vaction. lol[/quote]
its his fault that woman is a buffoon?

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I kinda felt bad for her...that sucks. It just happened, but i think she is a complete loser for canceling the rest of her tv debates.

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[quote=firstdown;727951]Maybe its because our ****ing dumb ass president has turned her and the state of Arizona into the United Nations for violating human rights. Yes our ****ing dumb ass president has now involved the united nations into our business. [B][U]Sense[/U][/B] he is such a weak ass he has to get othesr involved to attack our own people and states. I've never heard of such BS by a president in my life. He should just go back on vacation because everything else around him is also going to shit. I'm sure you liberals will fine a good excuse for this..

governor-brewer-takes-on-the-united-nations-the-us-department-of-state-and-the-obama-administration-again


PS i [B][U]for got [/U][/B]he is on another vaction. lol[/quote]


these are awesome

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[quote=firstdown;727951]Maybe its because our ****ing dumb ass president has turned her and the state of Arizona into the United Nations for violating human rights. Yes our ****ing dumb ass president has now involved the united nations into our business. Sense he is such a weak ass he has to get othesr involved to attack our own people and states. I've never heard of such BS by a president in my life. He should just go back on vacation because everything else around him is also going to shit. I'm sure you liberals will fine a good excuse for this..

governor-brewer-takes-on-the-united-nations-the-us-department-of-state-and-the-obama-administration-again


PS i for got he is on another vaction. lol[/quote]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Relax, have a beer or cocaine.

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[quote=firstdown;727951]Maybe its because our ****ing dumb ass president has turned her and the state of Arizona into the United Nations for violating human rights. Yes our ****ing dumb ass president has now involved the united nations into our business. Sense he is such a weak ass he has to get othesr involved to attack our own people and states. I've never heard of such BS by a president in my life. He should just go back on vacation because everything else around him is also going to shit. I'm sure you liberals will fine a good excuse for this..

governor-brewer-takes-on-the-united-nations-the-us-department-of-state-and-the-obama-administration-again


PS i for got he is on another [B]vaction.[/B] lol[/quote]

Saden, it sounds like he's already had some cocaine.

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[quote=12thMan;728034]Saden, it sounds like he's already had some cocaine.[/quote]

Either that or he's on his period.

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FD's new avatar?

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wow, that's pretty bad. I'd heard but hadn't bother to watch it myself. Gotta chalk that up to nerves though, right? I think it does speak to the fact that's she's trying to hit talking points vs. speaking from the heart about what her administration has done/is planning.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;728099]wow, that's pretty bad. I'd heard but hadn't bother to watch it myself. Gotta chalk that up to nerves though, right? I think it does speak to the fact that's she's trying to hit talking points vs. speaking from the heart about what her administration has done/is planning.[/quote]

Naw this definitely wasn't a one off, following the debate a pool of reporters pressed her to respond directly about the legend of beheaded bodies in the in the AZ desert. She was like a deer in highlights, avoided the question like three times. She's very odd to say the least. It was truly incredible. The video is out there, I just don't care enough to put it up.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;728099]wow, that's pretty bad. I'd heard but hadn't bother to watch it myself. Gotta chalk that up to nerves though, right? I think it does speak to the fact that's she's trying to hit talking points vs. speaking from the heart about what her administration has done/is planning.[/quote]

She's already a governor not some nervous armature. If she wants to chalk it to sleep deprivation or some such that's fine but with her coming out and saying "I'm not doing anymore debates" you have to wonder and say "she ain't right."

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I've seen her on a few other issues, & yes - she's "a bit off". I like some of the stuff she's done but no denying she's seems to be a couple bricks shy of a full load at times.

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[URL="http://tucsoncitizen.com/the-cholla-jumps/2010/08/27/governor-brewer-takes-on-the-united-nations-the-us-department-of-state-and-the-obama-administration-again/"]Governor Brewer takes on the United Nations, The US Department of State and the Obama Administration (again) - The Cholla Jumps[/URL]

Sorry heres the link. or

[url=http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/center-for-individual-freedom-barack-obama-just-invited-the-united-nations-to-join-his-ongoing-fight-against-arizona-and-dozens-of-other-states-attempting-to-enforce-the-immigration-laws-that-he-ref/]Center For Individual Freedom ~ Barack Obama just invited the United Nations to join his ongoing fight against Arizona and dozens of other states attempting to enforce the immigration laws that he refuses to enforce… « ~ The GUNNY "G" BLOG & E-[/url]

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FD, this is about some idiot Gov., not our president. trying to blame him for her idiocy is just plain idiotic

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THis is all about him and him turning this over to the UN like a jack ass. This has never been done before. To make it even mor of a joke Cuba and Lyba are on the UN Civil Rights Council. Its fine if he disagrees with her but what he has done now is gone to far turning in his own country to the united nations.

By the way I hope everyone ifs having a nice labor day weekend. We went out fishing yesterday and are going to go to the pool today thentake the boat over and have some dinner. Not sure what tomorrow will bring.

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sorry about that. the title threw me off:(

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[quote=firstdown;728275][URL="http://tucsoncitizen.com/the-cholla-jumps/2010/08/27/governor-brewer-takes-on-the-united-nations-the-us-department-of-state-and-the-obama-administration-again/"]Governor Brewer takes on the United Nations, The US Department of State and the Obama Administration (again) - The Cholla Jumps[/URL]

Sorry heres the link. or

[url=http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/center-for-individual-freedom-barack-obama-just-invited-the-united-nations-to-join-his-ongoing-fight-against-arizona-and-dozens-of-other-states-attempting-to-enforce-the-immigration-laws-that-he-ref/]Center For Individual Freedom ~ Barack Obama just invited the United Nations to join his ongoing fight against Arizona and dozens of other states attempting to enforce the immigration laws that he refuses to enforce… « ~ The GUNNY "G" BLOG & E-[/url][/quote]

What exactly is the problem? If you Americans are going to talk about human rights, want to hold others accountable and open to inspection then you got to play ball when it's your turn.


I tell ya, a Republican president should have withdrawn us from the UN a long time ago...then we wouldn't have to file report with them.

FM

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[quote=saden1;728440]What exactly is the problem? If you Americans are going to talk about human rights, want to hold others accountable and open to inspection then you got to play ball when it's your turn.


I tell ya, a Republican president should have withdrawn us from the UN a long time ago...then we wouldn't have to file report with them.

FM[/quote]

The problem is the president is the one turning in AZ and its not the UN who decided to take this on. We have our government and laws to work this out and because Obama knows this law has public support he decides to bring in the UN. What a weak man who cannot fight his own battle. Also to take the UN Human Right Council serious is a joke when Lybia and Cuba sit on that council.

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[quote=firstdown;729646]The problem is the president is the one turning in AZ and its not the UN who decided to take this on. We have our government and laws to work this out and because Obama knows this law has public support he decides to bring in the UN. What a weak man who cannot fight his own battle. Also to take the UN Human Right Council serious is a joke when Lybia and Cuba sit on that council.[/quote]

Turning in? WTF is this? High school?


It's a good think we no longer condone/export torture because we would fit right in with Cuba and Libya. Praise the Lord [Obama]!

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[quote=saden1;729651][B]Turning in? WTF is this? High school?[/B]


It's a good think we no longer condone/export torture because we would fit right in with Cuba and Libya. Praise the Lord [Obama]![/quote]

Yea thats my point.

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It's a good thing FD made this into a blame Obama thread and has completely hijacked what this thread was actually meant for. Thought he might've been losing his "point the finger at everyone else but (Enter Republican's name here)" touch. :)

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[quote=firstdown;729646]The problem is the president is the one turning in AZ and its not the UN who decided to take this on. We have our government and laws to work this out and because Obama knows this law [B]has public support[/B] he decides to bring in the UN. What a weak man who cannot fight his own battle. Also to take the UN Human Right Council serious is a joke when Lybia and Cuba sit on that council.[/quote]

Public support has nothing to do with protecting the Constitution.

Period.

That is one of the ways that we protect minorities in this great country.

That Arizona law was straight up illegal.

I don't mind that the people of Arizona were frustrated with the government for sweeping this issue under the rug for decades so why not do something crazy to bring attention to the problem, but that law was a ****ing joke.

Back on subject.

Jan Brewer is quite possibly a crook who also happens to be a grade A moron.

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[quote=wilsowilso;729774]Public support has nothing to do with protecting the Constitution.

Period.

That is one of the ways that we protect minorities in this great country.

[B]That Arizona law was straight up illegal.[/B]

I don't mind that the people of Arizona were frustrated with the government for sweeping this issue under the rug for decades so why not do something crazy to bring attention to the problem, [B]but that law was a ****ing joke.[/B]

Back on subject.

Jan Brewer is quite possibly[B] a crook[/B] who also happens to be a grade A moron.[/quote]

Well thats fine if the law is illegal but we have procedures here which Obama can use which is fine by me. It getting the UN involved I have a problem with. To me it looks like he knos the AZ bill was popular so he is pushing this off on the UN.

How is Jan Brewer a crook?

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[quote=firstdown;729818]How is Jan Brewer a crook?[/quote]

A local CBS affiliate down in Arizona has been investigating her for months over the fact that two people in Brewer's inner circle including her campaign manager work for a huge prison company down there.

That prison company would stand to make a ton of money if the ridiculous Arizona law were to ever go into effect.

She was so pissed that this CBS station was looking into this outrageous conflict of interest that she pulled all of her campaign ads from that particular station.

Brewer is bad bad news. And of course she is an imbecile and shouldn't have anything to do with running an entire State.

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must be late, all i can think of is this:

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I just picture Firstdown in front of the United Nations building screaming "**** you, I won't do what you tell me!"

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[quote=wilsowilso;729826]A local CBS affiliate down in Arizona has been investigating her for months over the fact that two people in Brewer's inner circle including her campaign manager work for a huge prison company down there.

That prison company would stand to make a ton of money if the ridiculous Arizona law were to ever go into effect.

[B]She was so pissed that this CBS station was looking into this outrageous conflict of interest that she pulled all of her campaign ads from that particular station.[/B]

Brewer is bad bad news. And of course she is an imbecile and shouldn't have anything to do with running an entire State.[/quote]


I guess you have never owned a business. If someone or organization was coming after me/my business why the hell would I spend my advertising money with them? So you really have nothing on her but you just don't like her politics.

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[quote=firstdown;730111] So you really have nothing on her but you just don't like her politics.[/quote]

The fact that she is dumb as a bag of wrenches and signed that ridiculous unconstitutional law which conveniently makes lots and lots of money for her closest advisors(have you ever heard of political corruption... it's a crime ya know?) might also have something to do with it.

Or is idiotic behavior and fraud an integral part of your business plan as well?

I didn't think so.

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[quote=wilsowilso;730213]The fact that she is dumb as a bag of wrenches and signed that ridiculous unconstitutional law which conveniently makes lots and lots of money for her closest advisors(have you ever heard of political corruption... it's a crime ya know?) might also have something to do with it.

Or is idiotic behavior and fraud an integral part of your business plan as well?

I didn't think so.[/quote]

I agree that she is not the sharpest tack. I agree that the law appears unconstitutional. [I]But[/I], before you go calling corruption, show me where these guys intentionally proposed the law with the intent to profit. Stupidity is not a crime or half this board would be in jail.

Perhaps, as it was passed by a referendum and not in some back room, the law was a popular reaction to ineffective federal enforcement of the federal law which this "ridiculous" State law mirrors. Further, b/c the prisons in question currently are used to house federal detainees being held for illegal immigration, wouldn't her "cronies" profit equally if the Feds [I]actually enforced[/I] the existing laws? Just b/c a media outlet saw a possible connection does not create an actual connection. Was there a failure to disclose the lobbying connections on the individuals mandatory disclosure forms? Has anyone even looked at these forms? Show me the [I]evidence[/I] of fraud. Where has someone lied about their possible profit?

Do you understand [I]why[/I] the State law is unconstitional? Or are you now going to look that up?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;730251]I agree that she is not the sharpest tack. I agree that the law appears unconstitutional. [I]But[/I], before you go calling corruption, show me where these guys intentionally proposed the law with the intent to profit. Stupidity is not a crime or half this board would be in jail.

Perhaps, as it was passed by a referendum and not in some back room, the law was a popular reaction to ineffective federal enforcement of the federal law which this "ridiculous" State law mirrors. Further, b/c the prisons in question currently are used to house federal detainees being held for illegal immigration, wouldn't her "cronies" profit equally if the Feds [I]actually enforced[/I] the existing laws? Just b/c a media outlet saw a possible connection does not create an actual connection. Was there a failure to disclose the lobbying connections on the individuals mandatory disclosure forms? Has anyone even looked at these forms? Show me the [I]evidence[/I] of fraud. Where has someone lied about their possible profit?

Do you understand [I]why[/I] the State law is unconstitional? Or are you now going to look that up?[/quote]


He took the words right out of my mouth.:D

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[quote=JoeRedskin;730251]I agree that she is not the sharpest tack. I agree that the law appears unconstitutional. [I]But[/I], before you go calling corruption, show me where these guys intentionally proposed the law with the intent to profit. Stupidity is not a crime or half this board would be in jail.

Perhaps, as it was passed by a referendum and not in some back room, the law was a popular reaction to ineffective federal enforcement of the federal law which this "ridiculous" State law mirrors. Further, b/c the prisons in question currently are used to house federal detainees being held for illegal immigration, wouldn't her "cronies" profit equally if the Feds [I]actually enforced[/I] the existing laws? Just b/c a media outlet saw a possible connection does not create an actual connection. Was there a failure to disclose the lobbying connections on the individuals mandatory disclosure forms? Has anyone even looked at these forms? Show me the [I]evidence[/I] of fraud. Where has someone lied about their possible profit?

Do you understand [I]why[/I] the State law is unconstitional? Or are you now going to look that up?[/quote]

First off I started by saying there was an investigation and allegations of corruption. The circumstancial connection between the interested parties is very compelling IMO.

Secondly, Illegal Search and Seizure and Racial Profiling isn't rocket science. It's just illegal.

Thirdly, these are alleged criminal activities. If that is actually the case I expect these people are covering their tracks as best they can and would hope that a qualified investigative agency like THE FBI for example would look into it. They have the resources to properly investigate the allegations. I obviously do not.

Lastly do you have any idea who wrote the Arizona Law? If you want I will provide twenty articles about the architects of SB-1070 and what the (IRLI) which is the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is fighting for in States across the country.

The immigration issue needs to be addressed. I agree.

Gotta keep it legal though.

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[quote=wilsowilso;730284]First off read the thread as I started off by saying there was an investigation and allegations of corruption. The circumstancial connection between the interested parties is very compelling IMO.

Secondly, Illegal Search and Seizure and Racial Profiling isn't rocket science. It's just illegal.

Thirdly, these are alleged criminal activities. If that is actually the case I expect these people are covering their tracks as best they can and would hope that a qualified investigative agency like THE FBI for example would look into it. They have the resources to properly investigate the allegations. I obviously do not.

Lastly do you have any idea who wrote the Arizona Law? If you want I will provide twenty articles about the architects of SB-1070 and what the (IRLI) which is the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is fighting for in States across the country.

The immigration issue needs to be addressed. I agree.

Gotta keep it legal though. Protecting US citizens rights is kind of a big deal.[/quote]

Is profiling illegals actually illegal? When the goverment storms into a business asking for green cards is that illegal? If this was in your back yard and these illigals where tearing up your farm, home, or property would you still feel the same way?

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[quote=wilsowilso;730284]First off I started by saying there was an investigation and allegations of corruption. The circumstancial connection between the interested parties is very compelling IMO.[/quote]

Fair enough. The later post drew my attention as it appeared to assert their was proof of corruption. As to the circumstantial evidence, you find it "very compelling". I don't. I do, however, find it worthy of appropriate investigation.

[quote=wilsowilso;730284]Secondly, Illegal Search and Seizure and Racial Profiling isn't rocket science. It's just illegal.[/quote]

Yup. However, Police authorities stopping someone for reasonable suspicion of violating the law (as that term has been applied by the Supreme Court) is not an illegal search or seizure. If police start randomly stopping people simply b/c of their appearance, I suspect more than a few advocacy groups would step in and punish the offending enforcment agency.

[quote=wilsowilso;730284]Thirdly, [I]these are alleged criminal activities[/I]. If that is actually the case I expect these people are covering their tracks as best they can and would hope that a qualified investigative agency like THE FBI for example would look into it. They have the resources to properly investigate the allegations. I obviously do not.[/quote]

Actually, they are merely allegations of alleged criminal behavior b/c the circumstantial evidence you find compelling doesn't, in and of itself, state anything other than that a relationship existed. At this point, there is no allegation, other than pure speculation, anywhere that I can find that actual criminal activity occurred.

[quote=wilsowilso;730284]Lastly do you have any idea who wrote the Arizona Law? If you want I will provide twenty articles about the architects of SB-1070 and what the (IRLI) which is the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is fighting for in States across the country.[/quote]

I am familiar with Kobach and FAIR. I am familiar with their agenda. Some of which I agree with, some of which I find hate filled and detestable.

Regardless of who crafted the law, but for its attempt to pre-empt unenforced federal penalities with equivalent state penalties, how is it unconstitutional? Is the pre-emption argument the basis for your claim that the law is "ridiculous"?

[quote=wilsowilso;730284]The immigration issue needs to be addressed. I agree.

[B]Gotta keep it legal though.[/B][/quote]

Absolutely, and to the extent that the SB 1070 attempted to pre-empt federal law, it is illegal by virtue of its unconstitutionality.

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Give me a break, racial profiling is required any way you look at it for this law to be effective. If they really were interested in enforcing federal immigration laws and not harassing/profiling just brown people they would have mandated that everyone carry proof of citizenship with them. They won't do that of course largely because John and Jane White won't be fond of such big government's intrusive action.

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[quote=saden1;730328]Give me a break, racial profiling is required any way you look at it for this law to be effective. If they really were interested in enforcing federal immigration laws and not harassing/profiling just brown people they would have mandated that everyone carry proof of citizenship with them. They won't do that of course largely because John and Jane White won't be fond of such big government's intrusive action.[/quote]

Yea all those white illegals are a big issue. I carry an ID everywhere I go like most poeple so why would that be a big deal. If they want to check if I'm here legally thats just fine with me.

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[quote=firstdown;730579]Yea all those white illegals are a big issue. I carry an ID everywhere I go like most poeple so why would that be a big deal. If they want to check if I'm here legally thats just fine with me.[/quote]

You carry an ID that shows your citizenship? Does the state of North Carolina recognize it? Would you be open to them taking you the station? Do you know that 33% of citizens/residents in Arizona are Latino? It would suck to be inconvenience more than them Canadians.


Maybe it's time for a national ID card with all the citizenship data?