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What was with all the love for this guy, then he dropped a TD that he really needed to catch?
Granted, first game, but I watched some routes and I was not all impressed. Anyone else care to shed some light on this guy?

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[quote=jsarno;733424]What was with all the love for this guy, then he dropped a TD that he really needed to catch?
Granted, first game, but I watched some routes and I was not all impressed. Anyone else care to shed some light on this guy?[/quote]

Pretty quick hook, jsarno. A little patience will (hopefully) go a long way here!

Although AA could (maybe should) have caught the first ball, the second was well defended. One missed catch should not make him a bust.

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[quote=jsarno;733424]What was with all the love for this guy, then he dropped a TD that he really needed to catch?
Granted, first game, but I watched some routes and I was not all impressed. Anyone else care to shed some light on this guy?[/quote]

As I stated before, maybe 5'11" WRs shouldn't be thrown endzone fade passes designed for tall wideouts. I know that he screwed up that first pass, but still I felt a taller wideout should've been in the receiving end of that pass (well, actually we should've run the ball at least once.

Plus this guy needs to develop rhythm with DMc (and vice versa).

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;733431]Pretty quick hook, jsarno. A little patience will (hopefully) go a long way here!

Although AA could (maybe should) have caught the first ball, [B]the second was well defended.[/B] One missed catch should not make him a bust.[/quote]Agreed. In fact, after seeing more replays I think that if AA were a more well known and respected/accomplished WR the ref would have probably called pass interference. It looked to me like Jenkins was draped completely over his back before the ball got there.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;733431]Pretty quick hook, jsarno. A little patience will (hopefully) go a long way here!

Although AA could (maybe should) have caught the first ball, the second was well defended. One missed catch should not make him a bust.[/quote]

As I pointed out, I watched some routes that didn't impress me...also, I did not once say cut him, or bench him.

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Wow I guess the other 25 WR threads must be lock down, odd!

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Gotta love the patience of fans.

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well, im with jsarno on this to a degree. i mean, having galloway and armstrong higher in the depth chart than devin thomas? (yes i read all about thomas' inability topick up playbook since we drafted him)

im watching the game on tv so i dont know who was open and who wasnt (man i wish we had access to the coach film showing the whole field) but it seemed only moss or cooley was getting open.

not to piss off ace, but reciever is a concern imo. i mean, is thomas really that bad that 38 year old galloway with what 10 catches last year and a 26 year old rookie beat him out? i guess so, the coaches know but dang if it aint a head scratcher. at the very least its a kick in the nuts that we had 3 2nd round picks 3 years ago and am going to walk away with a servicable TE and maybe a returner.

imo armstrong needs to get open sunday for a nice big gain and galloway needs to catch some short-mid range 1st down catches for both to stay in the receiver rotation. otherwise, we gotta hope thomas replaces them and starts to click.

if armstrong, galloway and thomas all maintain status qou, it could be a long season passing attack wise.

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AA is what he is , a journeyman who just played in the arena league.. What did u expect?

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[quote=Ruhskins;733436]As I stated before, maybe 5'11" WRs shouldn't be thrown endzone fade passes designed for tall wideouts. I know that he screwed up that first pass, but still I felt a taller wideout should've been in the receiving end of that pass (well, actually we should've run the ball at least once.

Plus this guy needs to develop rhythm with DMc (and vice versa).[/quote]

That pass went right through his hands and maybe if he was taller it would have bounced right off his head. LOL

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He's a Cowboy fan. Can't help his subconcious. He'll have 500+ yards and three touchdowns this season. Bank on it.

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we have 2 awesome TEs and sunday night i only saw the offense take advantage of 1 of them. why? considering WR is a weakness, we should be exploiting our strength at TE.

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[quote=TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS;733487]we have 2 awesome TEs and sunday night i only saw the offense take advantage of 1 of them. why? considering WR is a weakness, we should be exploiting our strength at TE.[/quote]

Also, the series in question, we should've gone back to the run to try to eat some clock, but KS must've seen something he liked after that first toss cause he went right back to it.

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[quote=over the mountain;733461]well, im with jsarno on this to a degree. i mean, having galloway and armstrong higher in the depth chart than devin thomas? (yes i read all about thomas' inability topick up playbook since we drafted him)

im watching the game on tv so i dont know who was open and who wasnt (man i wish we had access to the coach film showing the whole field) but it seemed only moss or cooley was getting open.

not to piss off ace, but reciever is a concern imo. i mean, is thomas really that bad that 38 year old galloway with what 10 catches last year and a 26 year old rookie beat him out? i guess so, the coaches know but dang if it aint a head scratcher. at the very least its a kick in the nuts that we had 3 2nd round picks 3 years ago and am going to walk away with a servicable TE and maybe a returner.

imo armstrong needs to get open sunday for a nice big gain and galloway needs to catch some short-mid range 1st down catches for both to stay in the receiver rotation. otherwise, we gotta hope thomas replaces them and starts to click.

if armstrong, galloway and thomas all maintain status qou, it could be a long season passing attack wise.[/quote]

Thomas can't do what all the above average and great ones can. Run good routes, which in turn keeps corners on edge. When he can do those things, that's when he can crack the lineup. Otherwise, he's just like all the other athletic big WRs who bust out of the league for one reason or another.

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He plays well on kick and punt coverage so, he'll stick. Look for Thomas to get in on the offense this week though. I noticed how well Westbrook played on teams too.

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I will give Armstrong til game 3 to see if he can proudce, but I am with Jay on this in that we might be just delusional about what this guy can bring to the table. The second fade into the endzone was just good coverage, but the first one should have been caught, plus the other catch he missed should have been grabbed also. By the end of game 3 any jitters should be gone and he should have at least 6-8 grabs I would imagine. Either way, I see no way in which we don't draft a top WR in the 2011 draft. We need more targets than Moss and Cooley. Sellers should not be thrown to at all.

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[quote=Mattyk;733444]Gotta love the patience of fans.[/quote]
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Aint that the truth?

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;733527]~~~~
Aint that the truth?[/quote]


Yah, and his "status" as an UDFA who's 27 years old also has to be accounted for. No way people would be calling for his head like he is now if he were even a 4th rounder.

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I'm confused, hasnt it been one game? Didnt he have a good pre-season?

How about we just wait and see...

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I think it is more of a case where we overbilled the guy(ala Marko Mitchell), not thinking he is going to be a bust, but thinking he is going to be a potential stud. Even if he does pan out nicely, we still need to draft him some help. I think that is at the bottom of Jay's views. We just overhyped the guy like we did last preseason with Mitchell, Thomas, and Kelly, only to be crapped on when the smoke cleared. We thought the world of the guy in the preseason, even when the body of work wasn't all that spectacular, then showtime came, and he didn't show us anything that we allowed ourselves to be hyped up about.

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[quote=jsarno;733424]What was with all the love for this guy, then he dropped a TD that he really needed to catch?
Granted, first game, but I watched some routes and I was not all impressed. Anyone else care to shed some light on this guy?[/quote]


Check out the other thread here that says the Redskins' WRs are really good and should not be taking the criticism they have taken for the last - - I don't know - - three years.

Following that logic, your criticism of AA is premature, unwarranted, ill-advised and ignorant.

Carry on... ;)

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;733544]Check out the other thread here that says the Redskins' WRs are really good and should not be taking the criticism they have taken for the last - - I don't know - - three years.

[B]Following that logic, your criticism of AA is premature, unwarranted, ill-advised and ignorant.[/B]

Carry on... ;)[/quote]

THAT should do it!
.........and correctly so.........

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Other than Moss they(recent Skin WRs) haven't been very good for the past several years. The only other WR that actually really produced in decent numbers in recent memory was, dare I say it, Rod Gardner. Before that, you had the dynamic duo of Michael Westbrook and Albert Connell. Not the best trio overall, but better than what we have today. As for being ignorant, I am not sure Jsarno is guilty of that. The hype of last season over our WRs was incredible. We were supposed to see Thomas and Kelly breakout remember? Mitchell gave some guys hard ons. What did they do? A whole lot of nothing!!! The 3 WRs I previously named performed decently, but were not stellar and received tons of criticism for too many drops, health problems, etc like our current bunch, but the older guys did produce. In short, we let ourselves get too geeked up about a WR corp that really isn't so stellar, and doesn't look like they are going to get the numbers that we were hoping for. Face it, we have one stud, with an old geezer and a trio of younger guys that have the equal chance of being studs or duds. Thus far with Thomas and Kelly, you don't have any numbers that are very promising, do you?

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[quote=jsarno;733424]What was with all the love for this guy, then he dropped a TD that he really needed to catch?
Granted, first game, but I watched some routes and I was not all impressed. Anyone else care to shed some light on this guy?[/quote]

Wow just like that huh?
A couple of drops and boom he's the wrong choice?

What routes did you watch?
Lets deal in [I][U][B]specifics[/B][/U][/I].
Lets talk targets down and distance.
Lets not just make blanket unsupported statements.

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Uh Oh, Uh Oh, the sky is falling! Look, do you see.

Look it was one game. and..... we won. Can we savour this win before we have to move on to the next team from the same state that only has Steer's and Queer's? On a side note I didn't see Galloway, R.Williams, Thomas, or Banks doing much either. Oh and I failed to see TE Davis do much either. It seemed that this game was the Portis, Moss, and Cooley show. I too felt AA was being held on one of the TD passes. The defenders left hand pulls on AA's right shoulder turning him just enough so he doesn't catch the ball and it bounces out of his hands. I was pissed that it wasn't interference and given 4 more downs. We probably should have kept Tryon cause Rogers couldn't catch a cold all night either. JK.

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[quote=SBXVII;733579]Uh Oh, Uh Oh, the sky is falling! Look, do you see.

Look it was one game. and..... we won. Can we savour this win before we have to move on to the next team from the same state that only has Steer's and Queer's? On a side note I didn't see Galloway, R.Williams, Thomas, or Banks doing much either. Oh and I failed to see TE Davis do much either. It seemed that this game was the Portis, Moss, and Cooley show. I too felt AA was being held on one of the TD passes. The defenders left hand pulls on AA's right shoulder turning him just enough so he doesn't catch the ball and it bounces out of his hands. I was pissed that it wasn't interference and given 4 more downs. We probably should have kept Tryon cause Rogers couldn't catch a cold all night either. JK.[/quote]


I agree, but I think the overeaction is due to the hype we have given these newbies. Can't quit on AA after one game, but face it we have been overhyping our young WR corp for two seasons with nothing to really justify it. Armstrong is just the newest member in a cast that has been said by most in this forum to be ready to bust out. I don't think people would be so impatient if the hype/ kool aid machine wasn't turned up so much. That just leads to unrealistic expectations.

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I am sure I have heard a saying...
Patience is a bird in the bush....no
Patience is overrated...no
Oh a "virtue"...Patience is a virtue.

Seems to apply.

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Week 1 ... We Won the game 13-7 and are 1-0

However Armstrong is a cool choice to have around but how about as a 4th WR .. DT #11 should get his way into the lineup at somepoint, think of how last season he finished strong.. that reverse against NY comes to mind along with the Saints game ... It has to be Moss,Thomas,then Galloway or Armstrong .. who are we kidding here ?? All that being said ... If we can somehow get Vincent Jackson we have to make that move ... this team has to much MoJo and hype to go all year with the hopes of Moss making every play .. I agree Davis needs to get more involved which I think will happen as well ... sorry for the rambling but i'm just not comfortable with Armstrong but i'm not giving up on the guy either .... Maybe we should put D.Hall as the IronMan

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[quote=GusFrerotte;733595]I agree, but I think the overeaction is due to the hype we have given these newbies. Can't quit on AA after one game, but face it we have been overhyping our young WR corp for two seasons with nothing to really justify it. Armstrong is just the newest member in a cast that has been said by most in this forum to be ready to bust out. I don't think people would be so impatient if the hype/ kool aid machine wasn't turned up so much. That just leads to unrealistic expectations.[/quote]

I agree and in this case the point about overreacting applies to everyone. We just really need to wait and see, just as it's over-hyping on one end, it's the complete opposite on the other end and neither is a valid conclusion at this point in the season.

To me AA is a good story, and a guy that by all accounts worked his butt off to make this team. If he can give us something on offense (which our coaches must think he can) than we got something. I dont think it's going to change the fact that we need WR help because even if he pans out we're getting up there in age at the position. It's just a bit silly to be talking about a "bad choice" already, imo.

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[quote=Ruhskins;733436]As I stated before, maybe [B]5'11" WRs[/B] shouldn't be thrown endzone fade passes designed for tall wideouts. I know that he screwed up that first pass, but still I felt a taller wideout should've been in the receiving end of that pass (well, actually we should've run the ball at least once.

Plus this guy needs to develop rhythm with DMc (and vice versa).[/quote]

Devin Thomas should have been thrown to in that situation

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[quote=CultBrennan59;733612]Devin Thomas should have been thrown to in that situation[/quote]

Also, I don't know if anyone noticed but during the 2nd throw (either that one or the first) Cooley was in a much better position to catch a TD. Oh well.

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[quote=jsarno;733424]What was with all the love for this guy, then he dropped a TD that he really needed to catch?
Granted, first game, but I watched some routes and I was not all impressed. Anyone else care to shed some light on this guy?[/quote]
I am with you he needed to catch that but first off Mike Knows that he should of called a better route than that on the second try second He's a rookie, third that corner was hanging all over him its only uncatchable when their hanging on your neck like a drunk girl at a bar.

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I watched parts of the game again.
And Ruhskins is right Cooley was open.

Armstrong might have been the WR for that particular play at that particular time.
But, not for the reason everyone thinks but because he was coming into the game [U][I]cold[/I][/U].
1) He had barely been on the field and wasn't targeted on [I]any [/I]pass plays until then.
How's this for pressure his very 1st NFL pass target was a stutter fade in the RZ against a top NFL CB/bitter division rival.

2) Armstrong was the wrong choice on that particular play was as Ruhskins pointed out: Cooley was more open for a much easier throw and catch if McNabb had waiting a nose hair longer.
The worst part is that Cooley was open again on the second play too.

I'm sure this is one of the plays McNabb regrets from the game that he mentioned in his press conference and on his radio show.

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[quote=30gut;733630]I watched parts of the game again.
And Ruhskins is right Cooley was open.

Armstrong might have been the WR for that particular play at that particular time.
But, not for the reason everyone thinks but because he was coming into the game [U][I]cold[/I][/U].
1) He had barely been on the field and wasn't targeted on [I]any [/I]pass plays until then.
How's this for pressure his very 1st NFL pass target was a stutter fade in the RZ against a top NFL CB/bitter division rival.

2) Armstrong was the wrong choice on that particular play was as Ruhskins pointed out: Cooley was more open for a much easier throw and catch if McNabb had waiting a nose hair longer.
The worst part is that Cooley was open again on the second play too.

I'm sure this is one of the plays McNabb regrets from the game that he mentioned in his press conference and on his radio show.[/quote]

I've read a couple of places that Armstrong was the right read on that play because of the blitz Dallas came with..

On the more general topic, I expect that Thomas will be the #2 WR by season's end. He's put together some good games last season and once he earns Kyle's trust/respect I think he will earn a role in the offense.

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give the dude a break! They only thing I am sick of seeing is having 6'2'' WR sitting on the bench when running those plays. Two beastly TE not in the passing route in the redzone. It killed me for two years when we had Kelly and Tomas sitting on the bench during redzone possessions. you dont have to know too many freaking routes when your down there. Lob the damn ball up and let the freaking WR's make plays on the ball. Is there something in the Redskin history rule book that says we are not allowed to run that play???? Every damn NFL team in the league runs that play, except us. Kills me!!!!!!!!!

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In terms of the 2nd pass. I remember in the off-season MS saying something to the effect that he will do that sometimes, especially if the player knows he ought to have caught it, as kind of a way to redeem himself.

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Height wasn't a factor on those passes to him anyway. He flat out dropped the first and the 2nd was well defended.

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Guys I think all of this will normalize this week against Houston. Armstrong will have more catches and Arian Foster will have fewer runs. I don't see Foster going for 230 yards against us and I also don't see us only scoring 13 points either. Will we win? I don't know, but every week is different and I think Houston realized they could run on the Colts and keep Manning off the field and they did so successfully, which was good game planning. I think McNabb will be more successful every week and get more players involved. I also predict a 100 yard week out of Portis. I don't know who has the advantage on Game Planning this week, with Houston knowing what we will do and Kyle Shannahan knowing what they will do. Either way, Houston doesn't know what Hasslet is going to do that's for sure!

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[quote=Paintrain;733659]I've read a couple of places that Armstrong was the right read on that play because of the blitz Dallas came with..[/quote]

Really where did you read that?
I would be interested to see that b/c if you listened to the presser or the interview he seems to spefically refering to this play (at least the second time) as a mistake/throw he would like to have back.
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[quote=Kevin Sheehan]
Was there a play or 2 specifically that you can point to that you would love to have back?[/quote]
[quote=Donovan McNabb]A couple of passes that i threw in the RZ where i possibly could have went somewhere else[/quote]

[quote=Paintrain;733659]On the more general topic, I expect that Thomas will be the #2 WR by season's end. He's put together some good games last season and once he earns Kyle's trust/respect I think he will earn a role in the offense.[/quote]
[B][I][U]IF[/U][/I][/B] he earns the Kyle's trust and right now he seems pretty fair away from that considering that he can't get on the field.
But, either way wether its by committee or someone steps up i have full confidence that our passing game will be fine.
There were WRs open yesterday and there were plays that were missed and mistakes that were made that will be minimized as the season progresses.
The passing game will improve as McNabb and Kyle gets more comfortable with each other and with the receivers.

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On point comments:

1. Armstrong should have caught the first fade pass. If he wants to play in the NFL, he'd better start making the plays he needs to make. I'm not throwing him under the bus. He just needs to make the tough catches to stick.

2. I think that using Devin Thomas, who has a longer reach and good hands, might have been a good choice for that play. Nevertheless, I admit that I don't know how well (or poorly) Devin runs that play. Fred Davis could have been used there, as well.

Related comments:

1. Our WR corps is weak. Very weak. We need to stop kidding ourselves about that.

2. If Vincent Jackson's suspension is reduced to three games on Thursday, then Shanahan should offer SD his left nut in trade for Vincent. He would solve part of our WR problems.

3. If the Skins don't trust Brandon Banks enough to use him as a KR or WR, they might as well put him on the taxi squad and bring up Terrence Austin who I think can play WR in this league.