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Is it just me, or did Shanahan ducking out of the post-game presser piss you off too? There are so many questions that I wanted to hear his response. At the top of my list -
[INDENT]Why was Portis pulled from the lineup despite running well?
[/INDENT]What other questions would you have liked Shanny to man up and answer?

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why stephon heyer? can anyone else play LT...anyone...bueller? bueller? bueller?

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Do you want to hire Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator so we can use Albert the NT the right way?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739757]Do you want to hire Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator so we can use Albert the NT the right way?[/quote]

Does it really make sense to try and hire a guy who's the head coach of your rival to coach your defense? He's not even fired yet, and I'd wager he probably won't be gone after this season if he can still get the Cowboys to the playoffs.

And honestly I don't care if he came and said he's not answering any questions and left. He's got bigger things to worry about.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;739757]Do you want to hire Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator so we can use Albert the NT the right way?[/quote]

I am perfectly happy with Wade coaching Dallas.

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did Shanahan not give a post-game presser?

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I heard exerpts of his post game press conference on the ESPN 980 show.

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[quote=GMScud;739879]did Shanahan not give a post-game presser?[/quote]

He did, but the one aired on CSN literally lasted all of 5 minutes.

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I could really care less about what he has to say after a game. Talk is cheap. He was probably ticked just like the rest of us and didn't want to suffer through 20 minutes of retarded media questions.

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he always just runs on then off.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;739881]He did, but the one aired on CSN literally lasted all of 5 minutes.[/quote]

He was probably excited that he got a chance to yell at the team. Nothing makes Shanahan happier then a good ass ripping.

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Why didn't you trade Portis during the off-season? Do you regret not cutting Haynesworth before he had a chance to run off with 21M?

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Yeah i'm seriously hoping that he now realizes that Portis is D-O-N-E as a feature back. They have the right role for him, keep him in on 3rd down and in passing situations. It shouldn't be a question if he is an every down runner, because he isnt.

What pissed Shanahan off with Portis, and I guarantee you why he was pulled, was when he broke that run and voluntarily slid down like he always used to do, instead of trying to fight for more yards.

You will see more of Ryan Torain, and perhaps LJ could even be brought back as #2.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;740019]Yeah i'm seriously hoping that he now realizes that Portis is D-O-N-E as a feature back. They have the right role for him, keep him in on 3rd down and in passing situations. It shouldn't be a question if he is an every down runner, because he isnt.

What pissed Shanahan off with Portis, and I guarantee you why he was pulled, was when he broke that run and voluntarily slid down like he always used to do, instead of trying to fight for more yards.

You will see more of Ryan Torain, and perhaps LJ could even be brought back as #2.[/quote]

He slid like a bitch. Feet first.

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I was surprised CP wasn't used more in the 2nd half. 7 carries for the game? Unless he was hurt (which according to him he was fine) that's a real head scratcher. As for the play where he went down I thought the replay showed that he slipped when trying to make a cut.

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What were you thinking trying to overall a team's personnel and defensive scheme during CBA negotiations? You have a lack of talent, draft picks, and FA to resource.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;740019]Yeah i'm seriously hoping that he now realizes that Portis is D-O-N-E as a feature back. They have the right role for him, keep him in on 3rd down and in passing situations. It shouldn't be a question if he is an every down runner, because he isnt.

What pissed Shanahan off with Portis, and I guarantee you why he was pulled, was when he broke that run and voluntarily slid down like he always used to do, instead of trying to fight for more yards.

You will see more of Ryan Torain, and perhaps LJ could even be brought back as #2.[/quote]

LJ won't be brought back. Despite Portis' QB slide, you don't take the ball out of his hands when he is starting to break big running plays. Portis is great at pass blocking, something Torrain is not...at least not yet. You keep Portis in at least for this reason.

But honestly, I don't want to hear excuses at the end of the game...I just want all the "talking" to be done on the field. I would much rather be entertained on the field and not at the press conference at the end of the game.

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When you look at the aggressive play calling by Kyle Shanahan in the passing attack. It frustrates the hell out of me to see him call three running plays in the redzone. The O line was protecting and he didn't allow McNabb to make a play. When he can call plays to put 6 points on the board rather than 3 points, we will finish stronger at the end of the game. The 3-4 defense is not working as of week 3. Calling blitzes at the wrong time killed the defensive stops on 3rd down and Haslett didn't adjust until it was too late. Lastly, D Hall should shut up and play ball. He was absolutely horrible yesterday. We've got to get some cornerbacks who can cover because Carlos Rodgers is finished.

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Honestly I don't know how the HC's do it. I was so pissed after last nights game I would have blown a gasket on camera if I was the HC. Sometimes I think the pressers should be held the next day and give the players and HC time to settle down.

But here would have been my questions:

-Why did they make so many changes to the OL? 1 man goes down and they shuffled LT, LG, RG. Why?

-What was up with Portis?

-Are they seriously looking into VJ since AGAIN the only weapons on game day were Moss, Cooley, and Portis?... well maybe not Portis.

-Why do they seem to only use Galloway for the long ball? Is he not good in the mid level 10 to 15 yrd range? Can they try it cause Galloway is clearly not good at catching balls at the long 30 to 40 yrd range.

-What game plan did the defense have to make the Rams one dimensional? were they going to stop the run or the pass? (stupid question, they injured the RB so it must have been to hurt their RB to squelch the run).

-Where was Davis, Armstrong, and the most talked about Thomas? Did R.Williams even play?

-Why didn't they roll McNabb out more like they did against Dallas to avoid the rush?

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Anyone got the word on why he ducked out of the presser? Did Gibbs or Zorn even duck out of pressers?

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[quote=Mattyk;740025]I was surprised CP wasn't used more in the 2nd half. 7 carries for the game? Unless he was hurt (which according to him he was fine) that's a real head scratcher. As for the play where he went down I thought the replay showed that he slipped when trying to make a cut.[/quote]I agree that Portis was trying to cut hard to the left and lost his footing. That said, his balance has been terrible for 2-3 years, where he often stumbles without contact, perhaps because he always has two hands on the ball and doesn't have a free arm to help with balance. In defense of Portis, his pass protection is so much more physical than any other RB that I can't accept that its a matter of him shying away from contact when he carries the ball.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;740038]Anyone got the word on why he ducked out of the presser? Did Gibbs or Zorn even duck out of pressers?[/quote]

Not sure he even ducked did he? Some people are saying he did the presser but CSN only showed a small portion.

In any event what was he going to say? "we sucked on both sides of the ball." then bolt. Forget answering any questions.

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[quote=SouperMeister;740041]I agree that Portis was trying to cut hard to the left and lost his footing. That said, his balance has been terrible for 2-3 years, where he often stumbles without contact, perhaps because he always has two hands on the ball and doesn't have a free arm to help with balance. In defense of Portis, his pass protection is so much more physical than any other RB that I can't accept that its a matter of him shying away from contact when he carries the ball.[/quote]

Hall had the same issue. I think it's more the team didn't prepare to play on the turf. Brought the wrong shoes ... whatever.

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I agree with Matty that Portis slipped trying to cut just as Hall did all freaking night (Equipment manager WTF?).

Back to the original point though, aside from that play I fell that it is typical for Portis and even Moss to go to the ground prematurely to prevent injury. Now WR's won't get too much grief about it but a RB will becaue he his supposed to finish runs.

My personal opinion is that Portis had no problems finishing off two hard fought 2 TD runs last week. Even if he did give up on this run it wasn't until after he had more than moved the chains and realized that fighting for the extra yards would not have yielded much more yardage and went down to reduce the risk of injury.

I still firmly believe that he slipped though like he usually does.

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[quote=Mattyk;740025]I was surprised CP wasn't used more in the 2nd half. 7 carries for the game? Unless he was hurt (which according to him he was fine) that's a real head scratcher. As for the play where he went down I thought the replay showed that he slipped when trying to make a cut.[/quote]

I don't know, he seems to "slip" alot in the last couple years. I thought he looked great other than falling down a time or two. Maybe that's why he didn't play anymore.

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[quote=mredskins;740003]he always just runs on then off.[/quote]

LOL- If he is smart he'd give an awesome presser that could be used for the Coors Light commercials. IMO.

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F a presser. He answered the questions...and we lost. Nothing left to say other than needs to see the tape and BYE.

THE END!

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After cooling off a little, the more meaningful press conference is this afternoon, now that the staff has digested the film. In that, I would still like to hear about Portis' status, and why it's inconceivable to coaches that Devin Thomas could contribute offensively on a day when Moss was the only WR with a reception. One thing I don't expect to hear is how thoroughly outcoached we were, especially Haslett getting schooled by Shurmur.

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[quote=SouperMeister;740041]I agree that Portis was trying to cut hard to the left and lost his footing. That said, his balance has been terrible for 2-3 years, where he often stumbles without contact, perhaps because he always has two hands on the ball and doesn't have a free arm to help with balance. In defense of Portis, his pass protection is so much more physical than any other RB that I can't accept that its a matter of him shying away from contact when he carries the ball.[/quote]

portis' pass pro is second to none, he is this best i have ever seen in a skins uniform or any other uniform for that matter. and while his balance has been an issue with him getting nudged and going down, i don't know how anyone can watch the first quater of that game and tell me cp doesn't look way faster than last year, i think he is trying pretty damn hard and i have no idea why shanny kept him out and if it was because of the "fall" which i also thin was a slip that is pretty ruhtard. our drop off from cp to any of our other rb's is insane

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[quote=mlmdub130;740234]portis' pass pro is second to none, he is this best i have ever seen in a skins uniform or any other uniform for that matter. and while his balance has been an issue with him getting nudged and going down, i don't know how anyone can watch the first quater of that game and tell me cp doesn't look way faster than last year, i think he is trying pretty damn hard and i have no idea why shanny kept him out and if it was because of the "fall" which i also thin was a slip that is pretty ruhtard. our drop off from cp to any of our other rb's is insane[/quote]

I really don't understand why CP was on the sideline. It's one of these things that to me doesn't make sense. Now Torain was running well, but why not put CP on passing downs? Or mix it up a bit more than just completing sitting CP on the sidelines. CP was definitely running with more of a purpose and hitting the holes harder (giggity) than I've see before this season.

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[quote=SouperMeister;740041]In defense of Portis, his pass protection is so much more physical than any other RB that I can't accept that its a matter of him shying away from contact when he carries the ball.[/quote]

IMO there are different types of "contact".

Portis has no problem with taking a few steps and plowing into a line where the other players pretty much have no momentum, its not really your typical high impact contact.

He doesnt have a problem blocking a much larger guy who is coming off a block and trying to get to hit someone other than portis. Its alot easier to be the hitter than the hitted.

Portis does shy away from contact in the open field where you can have those bone and brain jarring speed momentum blindside hits.

That and his concussion last year, maybe he is thinking he wants to preserve enough of portis to try and get another contract in the nfl after his skins contract expires?

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[quote=over the mountain;740253]IMO there are different types of "contact".

Portis has no problem with taking a few steps and plowing into a line where the other players pretty much have no momentum, its not really your typical high impact contact.

He doesnt have a problem blocking a much larger guy who is coming off a block and trying to get to hit someone other than portis. Its alot easier to be the hitter than the hitted.

Portis does shy away from contact in the open field where you can have those bone and brain jarring speed momentum blindside hits.

That and his concussion last year, maybe he is thinking he wants to preserve enough of portis to try and get another contract in the nfl after his skins contract expires?[/quote]

This sounds about right, although in that long Fred Davis catch and run against the Texans, he nailed a guy in the open field. But then again that guy was probably back pedaling or something and not coming at him at full speed.

I still think it is more of a balance issue with him, rather than him shying away from contact (unlike McNabb's scrambles when you can clearly see the "sideline, sideline, sideline!" look on his face, which is about right since he's a QB).

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[quote=SolidSnake84;740019]Yeah i'm seriously hoping that he now realizes that Portis is D-O-N-E as a feature back. They have the right role for him, keep him in on 3rd down and in passing situations. It shouldn't be a question if he is an every down runner, because he isnt.

What pissed Shanahan off with Portis, and I guarantee you why he was pulled, was when he broke that run and voluntarily slid down like he always used to do, instead of trying to fight for more yards.

You will see more of Ryan Torain, and perhaps LJ could even be brought back as #2.[/quote]

Shanahan said today Portis told him he was having trouble with his wrist and wasn't sure he could secure the ball if he had to absorb contact on it. I guess one is left to asume Shanahan didn't feel comfortable with Portis being in the game based on what he told him.