NFL Might Suspend Players for Violent Hits
 

What's the world coming to? Sooner or later, the NFL will be more waterd down than water polo.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5699517"]VP Ray Anderson: NFL might start suspending for violent hits - ESPN[/URL]

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Yeah we all love big hits but the NFL doesn't. I think guys are going to have to do shoulder to shoulder/chest hits now, and they're going to have to change their approach. The NFL is recognizing it needs to do more than fine players, so suspensions are the next logical step.

I just don't want to see any players go shoulder to shoulder/chest, and get fined/suspended/flagged for it if the official thought it looked helmet to helmet. I don't trust the refs enough to be able to tell in a moments notice whether it was helmet to helmet or not.

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There goes Landry.

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Fines obviously don't work, so they have to do something else.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;749726]There goes Landry.[/quote]

Yeah, you don't mess with Peyton's boy, Dallas Clark.

They already fined Jarmon as well, and that was ticky tack.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;749744]Yeah, you don't mess with Peyton's boy, Dallas Clark.

They already fined Jarmon as well, and that was ticky tack.[/quote]

I think it was the Desean Jackson hit yesterday that raised a few eyebrows.

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The problem is some of the hits are legal. The refs are so flag happy that when ever they see a big hit they throw the flag. Suspensions is not the way to go unless there is intent and none of these hits have intent. Jackson's hit was perfectly legal yet it drew a PF.

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[QUOTE]"The fundamentally old way of wrapping up and tackling seems to have faded away," he said. "A lot of the increase is from hits to blow guys up. That has become a more popular way of doing it. Yes, we are concerned they are getting away from the fundamentals of tackling, and maybe it has been coached that way. We're going to have to look into talking to our coaches."[/QUOTE]

I honestly don't have a problem with it. He's right, guys go for the big kill shots instead of trying to wrap up and tackle.

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[quote=12thMan;749746]I think it was the Desean Jackson hit yesterday that raised a few eyebrows.[/quote]

Obviously, but soon, even the least severe-looking of hits will not fly by if it's one of the NFL's poster boys suffering. It's all about the money. No one gave a flying shit when Juqua Parker slammed Campbell unconscious.

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Well it's obvious why players go for kill shots. It gets your team riled up, it increases your chances of forcing a fumble, but it also definitely increases the guys chances of getting a concussion, and that's why the NFL wants to stop it.

Face it guys, this isn't your father's NFL, and we're just gonna have to live with that.

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[quote=mooby;749756]Well it's obvious why players go for kill shots. It gets your team riled up, it increases your chances of forcing a fumble, but it also definitely increases the guys chances of getting a concussion, and that's why the NFL wants to stop it.

[B]Face it guys, this isn't your father's NFL, and we're just gonna have to live with that[/B].[/quote]

You're right, back in the day almost everything was legal and the sport was probably even more brutal. Head slaps and clothesline tackles were commonplace.

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[quote=Mattyk;749767]You're right, back in the day almost everything was legal and the sport was probably even more brutal. Head slaps and clothesline tackles were commonplace.[/quote]

Yeah, no doubt about it. I like seeing the big hit that riles up the team every once in a while, but if we saw more forced fumbles resulting from a guy wrapping the ballcarrier up and sticking his hand in there and jarring the ball loose I definitely won't miss the big hit.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;749744]Yeah, you don't mess with Peyton's boy, Dallas Clark.

They already fined Jarmon as well, and that was ticky tack.[/quote]Jarmon definitely dropped his head to make helmet to helmet contact with Aaron Rodgers, while Landry's play on Clark was perfectly legal. If a DB can't drive a receiver into the ground while making a tackle, then Goodell may as well replace tackling with flag football.

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[quote=Mattyk;749734]Fines obviously don't work, so they have to do something else.[/quote]

Did you hear Rodney Harrison yesterday? He said he'd put aside 50k each year for fine money because he wasn't going to stop hitting people since that was his reputation

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[quote=SmootSmack;749783]Did you hear Rodney Harrison yesterday? He said he'd put aside 50k each year for fine money because he wasn't going to stop hitting people since that was his reputation[/quote]

Yeah heard him say that, crazy. The one thing that got him was getting suspended.

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I thought the Robinson/Jackson hit looked clean to me. It was violent and nasty but it was clean. They need to stop this crap with controling the violence of the game. It's football. I don't know what else Robinson was supposed to do. He hit a guy at the yard marker and knocked the ball out. If he goes for the wrap-up Jackson catches the ball and maybe gets a first. I don't see how the NFL has the gall to have a problem with the hit. They're basically saying don't play the game as hard. That's stupidity.

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[B]I have a question and don't really want to start a thread on this...[/B]

Does anyone remember that last hit that Landry put on that WR on the sideline...?

I know it was late in the game and was a fairly long pass by manning.

Well anyways,the WR catches the ball (don't remember who...i'll have to rewind the game)
But as he catches the ball,he gets blasted by Landry out of bounds and as he falls to the ground....the ball just shoots out as he lands on the ground and away towards the bench/crowd.

Anyways,they got credit for the catch as the Colts run the hurry up and I was wondering?

Why wasn't that an incomplete pass?

Remember it was late in the game,when this happened...

Does anyone remember what I'm talking about?

(I'll rewind the dvr to see when this was and what time during the game)

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I think the NFL would also tell you the Robinson hit was legit. I believe Anderson was just saying the NFL might suspend players for violent hits to hold off others (namely Congress) from stepping in and making changes to the game (like Teddy R. did back in the day). By saying the NFL might suspend players, he's saying "hey, look at us we're serious about this (so don't interfere)" even if they don't really plan on doing anything at the moment. It also tells the players the league is concerned about their safety as CBA re-negotiations heat up

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[quote=aceinthehouse;749795][B]I have a question and don't really want to start a thread on this...[/B]

Does anyone remember that last hit that Landry put on that WR on the sideline...?

I know it was late in the game and was a fairly long pass by manning.

Well anyways,the WR catches the ball (don't remember who...i'll have to rewind the game)
But as he catches the ball,he gets blasted by Landry out of bounds and as he falls to the ground....the ball just shoots out as he lands on the ground and away towards the bench/crowd.

Anyways,they got credit for the catch as the Colts run the hurry up and I was wondering?

Why wasn't that an incomplete pass?

Remember it was late in the game,when this happened...

Does anyone remember what I'm talking about?

(I'll rewind the dvr to see when this was and what time during the game)[/quote]

I couldn't get past the first sentence. [I]You[/I] didn't want to start a new thread? Are you feeling ok?

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Pretty soon everyone will be able to play because defenseman won't be able to hit anyone.

Flag football anyone?

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[quote=Mattyk;749753]I honestly don't have a problem with it. He's right, guys go for the big kill shots instead of trying to wrap up and tackle.[/quote]

We saw an example of this yesterday during the Addai TD. Both Kareem Moore and Landry went in shoulder first trying to stop Addai, and they both just bounced off him.

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[quote]I honestly don't have a problem with it. He's right, guys go for the big kill shots instead of trying to wrap up and tackle.[/quote]

Of course its leaning away from that. The nfl keeps gimping defenses. 3 and outs becoming less important. Big, turnover causing, hits are getting more important.

I hate to see people hurt, but dont water down football. All these concussion rules put in place and ive seen more concussions this season than I can remember.

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[quote=Daseal;749822]Of course its leaning away from that. The nfl keeps gimping defenses. 3 and outs becoming less important. Big, turnover causing, hits are getting more important.

I hate to see people hurt, but dont water down football. [B]All these concussion rules put in place and ive seen more concussions this season than I can remember.[/B][/quote]


Maybe that should tell us how many people have been playing with them.

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There is no 'might' suspend people for illegal/dangerous hits. This offseason they will change the rules and make it mandatory suspension for head to head deliberate shots. Goddell already said so.
The Desean Jackson hit happened so fast and in such small space, that hit was not deliberately dangerous hit and with intent to hurt. The problem with that hit is they put it on super slow motion and of course it might look bad.
The Steeler LB (i forget hi name) hit where he hit the Brown player in the ear hole was deliberate and he should be suspended.
One of the problems I see is offensive players that are running with the ball tend to put their heads down and bull forward. Now that is dangerous as well. Some helmet to helmet hits are not deliberate and should not be penalized. Creating dangerous plays is on both sides of the ball and defensive players should not be the only ones to be singled out.

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[quote=Bushead;749823]Maybe that should tell us how many people have been playing with them.[/quote]

Yeah I think teams are more aware and better at diagnosing them now. It's not that there are more concussions, they're just being more closely identified and teams are much more cautious about holding players out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;749799]I couldn't get past the first sentence. [I]You[/I] didn't want to start a new thread? Are you feeling ok?[/quote]

LOL I was thinking the same thing.

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Man if ST was still here and they started fining, he'd be getting fined practically every game.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;749854]Man if ST was still here and they started fining, he'd be getting fined practically every game.[/quote]I don't know about that. Many of his greatest knockout hits, Taylor led with his shoulder (Crayton hit at Dallas to preserve the win in 2005 / Reggie Brown hit on Monday night in Philly in 2007, etc). Just because a hit is vicious, it shouldn't necessarily be deemed illegal, especially if the defender is making a solid form tackle.

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[quote=SouperMeister;749856]I don't know about that. Many of his greatest knockout hits, Taylor led with his shoulder (Crayton hit at Dallas to preserve the win in 2005 / Reggie Brown hit on Monday night in Philly in 2007, etc). Just because a hit is vicious, it shouldn't necessarily be deemed illegal, especially if the defender is making a solid form tackle.[/quote]

Excellent point. I don't understand why people are up in arms about this. Helmet to helmet tackles are just not a good idea. Players need to go back to tackling fundamentals and wrap up the guy you are tackling. This showboating crap is what's causing these injuries and a lot of the crapping tackling that's happening in the league.

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This is a bullshit rule.
They are only doing this to make it look like they care for the players while trying to push the season to 18 games.

I can't believe they would make a rule and implement it so quickly.

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And what about the "devastating hit" on Vick?

The Vick sandwich? That was devastating...Does Hall and Rogers get suspended for hurting vick?

I think this is a terrible rule and will change football forever imo..

What happens when Commercial money maker Troy Palamalu leads with his helmet? Will they just..."let that go" because of who he is?

But guys like Landry get suspended...?

And what about Lorenzo or Sellers devastating blows on Special teams that we see every game that destroys the Kick/Punt returner? Will Alexander get suspended...?

Does Fletcher get suspended for that nice hit the other night that caused that fumble on the return?
That was devastating?

It's getting out of hand...
Not the hits,but the rules imo

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Oh...and in case any of you are curious...?

I just heard...Jeremy Jarmon would have been suspended for the hit on Aaron Rodgers.
Even though he was not flagged for it,he was fined for it and would face suspension..

Enjoy..
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Yea,this is going to be a [B]witch hunt[/B]...

This is a quote by "Soup"

[QUOTE]I was listening to Chicago radio, for obvious reasons, they had john clayton on and he talked about it. There will be a couple deciding factors that will make a ref or whomever makes the decision to eject or suspend a player. One is if the hit is an obvious helmet to helmet which causes a player to get injured like the Djax hit, the other is a hit on defenseless players.

He said the NFL will not start to really enforce the rules until next season after they talk about how to enforce it. During this season they will only suspend players if its an obvious hit like the Djax example. But he did say the NFL will make a list of head-Hunters and ask personnel to talk with these guys. I don't know if Landry would be on that list.

They brought up two Redskin hits, the one where Fletcher hit the colts running back, Clayton said that is legal because its unavoidable and the player didn't intentionally do it. The other was the hit to Aaron Rodgers hit by Jarmon. Clayton said only if its an obvious hit and the player is severely injured. He stressed the words "obvious" and "severely injured".

take it for what its worth....[/QUOTE]

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[quote=aceinthehouse;749914]And what about the "devastating hit" on Vick?

The Vick sandwich? That was devastating...Does Hall and Rogers get suspended for hurting vick?

I think this is a terrible rule and will change football forever imo..

What happens when Commercial money maker Troy Palamalu leads with his helmet? Will they just..."let that go" because of who he is?

But guys like Landry get suspended...?

And what about Lorenzo or Sellers devastating blows on Special teams that we see every game that destroys the Kick/Punt returner? Will Alexander get suspended...?

Does Fletcher get suspended for that nice hit the other night that caused that fumble on the return?
That was devastating?

It's getting out of hand...
Not the hits,but the rules imo[/quote]


Guy's the rules are not changing. The only thing that will change is how they deal with hits to the head and neck of a defenceless player. The rule is there and all they want to do is add teeth to the rule. So if you go up and hit a WR going for the ball in the head or neck area with your head and/or shoulder then its allready illegal now. The hit on Vick was legal because he was a runner at the time. Also the media has added the word "devastating hits" to this to make it sound better in their news story.

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*Huge hits are all part of the game. Outlawing them would be eliminating hockey fights. Not going to happen.......

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Who's "Soup"?

And, in my opinion, we got lucky on that Jarmon hit. It looked clearly like hlelmet to helmet to me. I think so long as you don't lead with your helmet you should be ok. Wrapping up is the more fundamental way to do it, but really it's the knock out shots that cause the turnovers. I think more is being made of this right now than will actually come out of it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;749943]Who's "Soup"?

And, in my opinion, we got lucky on that Jarmon hit. It looked clearly like helmet to helmet to me. I think so long as you don't lead with your helmet you should be ok. Wrapping up is the more fundamental way to do it, but really it's the knock out shots that cause the turnovers.[B] I think more is being made of this right now than will actually come out of it[/B].[/quote]

I hope you're right SS. I certainly understand why leading with your helmet is illegal and agree that it should be...but clean violent hits are a big part of why I love football so much. I've heard a lot players say this is the only place they can assault someone and not be arrested for it. It's part of the game and a big part of the attraction for me.

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Let's see how they enforce it before we get our panties in a wad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;749943]Who's "Soup"?

And, in my opinion, we got lucky on that Jarmon hit. It looked clearly like hlelmet to helmet to me. I think so long as you don't lead with your helmet you should be ok. Wrapping up is the more fundamental way to do it, but really it's the knock out shots that cause the turnovers. I think more is being made of this right now than will actually come out of it.[/quote]

Well on the Mike & Mike show this morning who ever they had from the NFL said any hit to the head and neck area of a defenseless player will get looked at. They are not just talking about WR's he also mentioned other hits to head of defenseless players. Like after a int. and a player jogging down the field and someone takes one of those cheap blocks to the head. The only thing i really heard that I did not know was hitting a defenseless player in the head with your shoulder and forearm is an illegal hit.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;749726]There goes Landry.[/quote]

Lol, that was my first thought.