Gibbs deserves credit for...
 

Our draft. This is somthing that dosent get discussed that often. Now understand I'm not jumping the gun on this kid, but Wilson really looked very good yesterday. I know that can change very quickly, but it was nice to see the rookie in there doing a good job. Molinaro(sp) has done some defensive line work for us, although VERY limited, still has been in there a little bit. Cooley and Taylor are pretty obvious. We always talk about how we should build through the draft, I think Gibbs has done a good job starting that this season. Agree or disagree?

I agree. Cooley has played really well this year, and probably has the best hands on the team. Taylor is slowly coming around. Did you see that hit yesterday? I mean he came out of nowhere and laid that guy out. We haven't had a hard hitting safety like that in a long time. Wilson did play solid yesterday. I was very impressed with his footwork.

Absolutly! Big reason why we may be able to dump Samuel's salary to overcome the Brunell debacle, Wilson and Molinaro could turn out to be starter's by next season, it is also why I say stay away from the high priced free agent's let's use the draft this year to address all of our need's a powerful center should be first on our list, I just feel our problem's all lead back to 1 thing our O-line they cannot run block, and so long that's the case this offense will never move the ball I still can't believe they are that bad, by dealing our top 5 pick and trading off Samuels, Gardner, and Morton, we should be able to bring in quite a few player's from the draft, plus by dealing down we stay a way from the mega buc's contract, I think it's the way we have to go, we have to address the O-line bottom line!

I think if we could trade samuels or morton that would be great so we wouldn't have to take the huge cap hit but I'm betting no other team wants that rediculous cap hit by samuels. Also getting rid of Burnell and Barrow would be nice too.

Last years' draft crop is looking pretty good so far. Taylor should be a force next year. Cooley has been impressive from the start and should continue to grow. Wilson looked good yesterday, still too early to tell on Molinaro and he's more of a project anyway.

The undrafted FA's have also shown some potential.

And best of all... they are all dirt cheap right now ( besides Taylor ).

as much as people like to rag on morton, we could use him... he's had 30 and 50 yard returns (a good deal of 20 yard+), meanwhile thrash and betts just aren't getting it done...

still not sure why our special teams looked soo good during the preseason and have been so inconsistant since...

and unless taylor goes to a pro bowl, he's reasonably cheap for a top 5 pick.

Good job by Gibbs on the draft. Taylor is quickly becoming Probowl material. He lays out some people. Reminds me of Lavar playing safety! Cooley has the best hands on the team maybe.

I'm not too high on Taylor right now. Yes...he's improved a lot in playing his position. But, he got a bone-headed 15 yd penalty against the Steelers last night and I think he had another one called against him a few games back. Until he learns to control his emotions and not get any dumb penalties...I wouldn't consider him a "probowl" material.

samuels and gardner contracts are both up, let them both go and put the money elsewhere, gardner CAN'T catch, and samuels just looks worthless on the field, let McCants or Jacobs take over for gardner (mccants is a rod gardner that can catch) and find a tackle and there will still be money left over

the 15 yard penalty this week was a bad call by the refs, steelers fans i know were a bit surprised by it. His last 15 yard was for punching TO... that was stupid, but at least he hit the right person.

Taylor was a shoe in to be a great player. Cooley and Wilson seem to have panned out, a bit too early to tell with Wilson.

Let's look at some FA signings by Joe Gibbs:
Mark Brunell - The QB of right now. Still a great competitor and brings veteran leadership and smarts to the team. +10 points for Gibbs.
Mike Barrow - Another veteran guy coming off a great season. Who needs a physical? Not Mike Barrow. Another 10 point gain for Mr. Gibbs!
Ray Brown - weighing in at 42 years young he brings in yet another veteran that's able to show his prowess on the offensive line. Getting beat only 10 times a game. He helped Gibbs the first time around. WHats the difference between Brown and Bugel? This gets Gibbs +11.
Clinton Portis - Trade an ingrate for one of today's top tailbacks. Great move! Portis has the speed and talent to break the big ball every time he touches it. Luckily he got the ball only nine times last game. +2 points for the acquisition. +8 for recent use of it!

Gibbs did a good job through the draft, but brought in a lot of horrible players. I'm curious how his eye for talent really is.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Taylor was a shoe in to be a great player. Cooley and Wilson seem to have panned out, a bit too early to tell with Wilson.

Let's look at some FA signings by Joe Gibbs:
Mark Brunell - The QB of right now. Still a great competitor and brings veteran leadership and smarts to the team. +10 points for Gibbs.
Mike Barrow - Another veteran guy coming off a great season. Who needs a physical? Not Mike Barrow. Another 10 point gain for Mr. Gibbs!
Ray Brown - weighing in at 42 years young he brings in yet another veteran that's able to show his prowess on the offensive line. Getting beat only 10 times a game. He helped Gibbs the first time around. WHats the difference between Brown and Bugel? This gets Gibbs +11.
Clinton Portis - Trade an ingrate for one of today's top tailbacks. Great move! Portis has the speed and talent to break the big ball every time he touches it. Luckily he got the ball only nine times last game. +2 points for the acquisition. +8 for recent use of it!

Gibbs did a good job through the draft, but brought in a lot of horrible players. I'm curious how his eye for talent really is.[/QUOTE]
Brunell I've give you, but Barrow is an incomplete in my book. He should play next year and be back to his old self. I'm not ready to write him off as a bad pickup. You can't account for injuries.

Ray Brown was brought in out of need, he wasn't brought in to be a superstar or anything and for the most part he's done an admirable job. Who else is out there anyway?

Portis has a long career ahead of him and has many big games left in a Skins uniform. Are you calling him a bad move, daseal??

Who are all the horrible players you're referring to, other than Brunell?

brunell, lavar, samuels, and coles are the guys that have played way below salary this year... portis has stunk for two games (well, he hasn't had enough carries in either), but thats not entirely his fault.

lavar has been hurt and has missed the last 9 games, kinda makes me laugh when you say he's played below salary

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]lavar has been hurt and has missed the last 9 games, kinda makes me laugh when you say he's played below salary[/QUOTE]
Same deal with Barrow, I don't get it when people write him off as being a bust. Was it his fault he got hurt? Barrow has been a quality MLB for years now and has always been very healthy. He misses one season with an injury and all of a sudden he's a bust and a big mistake on our part?

The only offseason move you can blame Gibbs for is, you guessed it... Brunell! That is the only aquisition I heard anyone question at the time we did it, so thats the only one people should really complain about. In my opinion, if you were all aboard when they did the inital deal, it means you would have done the same thing. I'm sure that's not true in all cases, but I didnt really see the "Why did we sign Barrow" threads when he got signed. He cant be classifyed as a bust, dissapointing yes, a bust, no.

You remember the calls of relief when we signed Ray Brown to the team?

And no, I'm calling Portis a good move. 1-10 scale of sarcasm here. Just don't like how he's been (mis)used the last few game. We've gotten away from him.

[QUOTE=Kevikazi]I'm not too high on Taylor right now. Yes...he's improved a lot in playing his position. But, he got a bone-headed 15 yd penalty against the Steelers last night and I think he had another one called against him a few games back. Until he learns to control his emotions and not get any dumb penalties...I wouldn't consider him a "probowl" material.[/QUOTE]
I know sometimes these penalties do hurt, but in my opinion ST is playing good hard-nosed smash-mouth football "you come into my house, you step on my turf, you pay the price". Safeties like Taylor and the oft-maligned Matt Bowen ingrain themselves in receiver's memories as being "the guy that knocked me clear to Friday the last time we played the skins". Our D needs players like ST that are agressive and lay down the law in the middle. When opposing offenses recognize our defensive middle as "sacred turf" and start making a conscious effort to [b]stay away[/b] from the middle that gives us one more element of having a dominating and intimidating defense and I don't think you can have that without an occasional penalty, stupid or otherwise.

I thought Ray Brown has been quite a good pick up rembering who he has been up against might be old but age isn't everything

brunell is no good but who could have guessed it. the real error there is the price that we paid for him in money and draft pick. the draft was pretty solid too, definitely working our way up. i just dont think we can expect anything but gradual improvement this season, it's clear that gibbs needs a season but it seems like it's getting better. sure the points aren't there but heck, they will be.

go skins!

the points will come and we will be back on top
gibbs came into and i hate to say a bad team
but the one thing i like is we dont quit every game is a fight
which hasnt always been the last few years

barrow had 177 tackles last year, he was a great signing, but shit happened... either way, he's older and we don't have 43mill tied up in him, so i consider it another fiore type gamble... if he's back next year, great... we'll have 4 really good LBs, and that might even kill the need to get at least one DE...

Ray Brown was brought in for depth after Jansen got hurt. Unfortunately, he was better than the new starter, so he was moved up, and Jones isn't even with the team any more. Even if you don't factor in his age, he has still played pretty solid...not great, but solid.
I really like Wilson at RT though, and I hope he stays there, even when Thomas comes back.

Gibbs one big blunder was Brunell...obviously! But still, most NFL guys didn't think he would be [I]that [/I] bad...even the ones that said he had lost it somewhat...

There were several teams that wanted Brunell, but like every other FA we go after, we won. There were several NFL guys who were wrong about Brunell.

cpayne5:

Maybe other NFL personnel folks were wrong about Brunell too, but only one team has to eat that monster contract they gave him. Oh yeah, and there was the small matter of that draft pick we lost too...


Longtimeskinsfan:

There have been and are some humongous hitters who have played safety in the NFL over the years. Nevertheless, I really doubt that quality WRs and TEs will fear to go into the middle against Sean Taylor. They went there against Jack Tatum and Ronnie Lott and Gary Fencik and do so today against John Lynch and Roy Williams and Brian Dawkins and ...


arrington-QB kliller:

Samuel's contract is NOT up. It has one more year to go with a salary of something near $11M for next year. (That is the cap number and much of it is salary due to him; that's why is is not eager to renegotiate at the moment.)

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]cpayne5:

Maybe other NFL personnel folks were wrong about Brunell too, but only one team has to eat that monster contract they gave him. Oh yeah, and there was the small matter of that draft pick we lost too...
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True, the ones that were most wrong are the ones that won the bidding (us), I guess.

The problem with Brunell was obviously we paid too much, and we went after him too aggressively. He probably would have been released by the Jags, and I doubt there would have been much of a bidding war for his services.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]
They went there against Jack Tatum and Ronnie Lott and Gary Fencik and do so today against John Lynch and Roy Williams and Brian Dawkins and ...
[/QUOTE]Yep because they are paid to do a job. But ask any WR, TE, RB, SE if they enjoyed playing Oakland or Houston or San Fran or Chicago during those years and I'll wager they would all roll their eyes into the back of their heads. I've seen receivers literally drop balls because a guy like a Tatum or Lott was two steps away. That's intimidation and that can be a very powerful force on the field of play.