Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

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Funny how tides can turn, gotta give Haslett credit for mediating this situation and making it work

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It's good to see Haynesworth's name associated with anything positive. Whatever compromise has come about between the parties is long overdue.

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:yeahright

It's still an unmitigated disaster.

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Didn't that SOB say "I'm not good enough to play the 3-4" today? Here I was thinking he could be the best nose tackle in the business instead we got a part time player for a 100 million dollar contract. Fck him.

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One thing left out/overlooked in the whole AH/Shanahan dramedy.

Anyone, [I]anywhere[/I], see Snyder's name mentioned as trying to influence the outcome?

Anyone believe, prior to this year and w/ the exception of Gibbs' tenure, that Snyder would have been a non-factor in the resolution of the issue?

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Winning cures everything. The guy had a good game against a shitty O-line. I want to see him do it this week and the week after.

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[quote=saden1;753270]Didn't that SOB say "I'm not good enough to play the 3-4" today? Here I was thinking he could be the best nose tackle in the business instead we got a part time player for a 100 million dollar contract. Fck him.[/quote]
Warren Sapp could have theoretically been the greatest 3-4 RE ever if we just looked at him physically. Didn't happen because his mindset was up-the-field kill the QB. You also try to spin him as a lazy bitch when he sounded rather humble about the comments.


Simply because he has a huge contract does not in any way, shape, or form equate him to being a superhuman.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;753271]One thing left out/overlooked in the whole AH/Shanahan dramedy.

Anyone, [I]anywhere[/I], see Snyder's name mentioned as trying to influence the outcome?

Anyone believe, prior to this year and w/ the exception of Gibbs' tenure, that Snyder would have been a non-factor in the resolution of the issue?[/quote]

His name has not been out front, probably by design, but I'm not throughly convinced there was no influence [to a lesser degree] on his part. Too much money involved for there not to be.

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[quote=saden1;753270]Didn't that SOB say "I'm not good enough to play the 3-4" today? Here I was thinking he could be the best nose tackle in the business instead we got a part time player for a 100 million dollar contract. Fck him.[/quote]Agree, the only point I'd add is that we're better off in the attacking 3-4 (Bum Phillips) vs a read/react 3-4 base. It takes better advantage of AH and would make him an every down player.

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This simply means that there has been a separate peace reached for this year--Shanahan (via Haslett's prodding) and AH have settled on AH being a situational lineman. I think it makes it all the more likely that the two camps will try to find a way to divorce at the end of the season, because neither party is going to want this next year.

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Last night on the NFL show on Showtime, Mike Lombardi was saying that the Redskins were lucky to have scored the TD by DeAngelo Hall, instead of getting flagged for a personal foul on Haynesworth's downhill block.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/shanahan-said-he-would-defend.html#more]Redskins Insider - Shanahan says he would defend Haynesworth block to NFL[/url]

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That was so great when he took the guard to the QB!!

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I love how people will try to spin this as a negative.

So pessimistic sometimes.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;753275]Warren Sapp could have theoretically been the greatest 3-4 RE ever if we just looked at him physically. Didn't happen because his mindset was up-the-field kill the QB. You also try to spin him as a lazy bitch when he sounded rather humble about the comments.


Simply because he has a huge contract does not in any way, shape, or form equate him to being a superhuman.[/quote]


I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.

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[quote=saden1;753299]I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.[/quote]

Wade runs a scheme that lets his guys shoot gaps. Haslett does not. The D-linemen hold the OL at bay for the LBs by playing two-gap responsibilities. This has been covered here in the past. It's also why I have my crazy sig.

And a link for good measure:
[url=http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/guide-to-n-f-l-defenses-part-4-the-3-4-front/]Guide to N.F.L. Defenses, Part 4: The 3-4 Front - NYTimes.com[/url]

There are other guys who have the physical skillset to be something better than they actually are. Those guys aren't. Andre Carter has the athleticism to be a 3-4 OLB, but he doesn't have the full set of instincts. Dhall could be another shutdown corner, but he's not.

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It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.[/quote]

As shown in the link, even Sapp had trouble adjusting to not NT, RE. NT is even more demanding the RE. So it seems that Haynesworth is not the only one suffering from such a inability to be beastly when taken out of the 3-4.

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[quote=saden1;753299]I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.[/quote]

A true nose tackle's job is not to get to the QB, their job is to plug the line and let everyone else get to the QB. Wade Phillip's style is a bit different, but obviously Haslett wasn't planning in running that here. [B]If you look at true 3-4 NTs like Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork, they average about a sack a year[/B].

The way Haynesworth carried himself through the offseason is inexcusable. However, if you can put that aside, anyone with some football knowledge should realize that this guy is designed to be a pass rushing defensive tackle.

Personally, I want the team to continue to use him as a pass rusher. The team is paying way too much money for him to be in a position where he doesn't fit. And by looking at this...

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It seems that Haslett is doing a good job at using him.

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Posted at 9:19 PM ET, 10/28/2010

Albert Haynesworth fined $7,500 for hit vs. Bears, report says

The NFL has fined Albert Haynesworth $7,500 for a hit the Redskins defensive lineman delivered during DeAngelo Hall's 92-yard interception return last Sunday at Chicago, according to an ESPN report.

Haynesworth was penalized by the league office Thursday for unnecessary roughness on a block of Bears offensive lineman J'Marcus Webb, which occured about 11 yards behind Hall as the cornerback streaked down the sideline.

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said he hadn't seen a review of the hit from the television broadcast, but he commended Haynesworth for his effort on the play.

"If a guy's 25 yards back, and a guy kills somebody, they say, 'Hey, that's a cheap shot,' " Shanahan said Thursday. "If he's got a chance to catch him -- if he's within 10 yards, maybe it's 12 yards --, they determine if he had a legitimate chance to make a play."

Haynesworth's block did not draw a flag on the play. However, Webb was not happy with the hit because his reaction on the field drew an 15-yard personal foul.

Shanahan said he might discuss the hit with league office.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;753271]One thing left out/overlooked in the whole AH/Shanahan dramedy.

Anyone, [I]anywhere[/I], see Snyder's name mentioned as trying to influence the outcome?

Anyone believe, prior to this year and w/ the exception of Gibbs' tenure, that Snyder would have been a non-factor in the resolution of the issue?[/quote]

he has a really good new pr guy this year, and he is making strides but one season doesn't make a decade dissapear overnight, hopefully we are on the right track now, we as a fan base deserve it, although we bitch and moan about every detail we still show up every sunday

it's nice to hear some good news about albert though, after watching him carry that lineman into cutler you could finally see what he is capable of. i really hope he pulls his s together and finsihes the season strong and finds his place on this team.

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[quote=saden1;753299]I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.[/quote]

Word to this. Truly great players learn how to adjust and still be among the best. Ray Lewis switched from the 4-3 to the 3-4 and remained arguably the best LB in the league. I'm sure Dlineman have switched between the schemes and been dominant both ways. Kris Jenkins, apart from his proneness to injury, is an example, tho maybe not the best you could find out there.

AH is an underachiever. I agree w/ those who say he's gone after this season.

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That SOB is 6-6 and 335lbs. Don't anybody fcking dare tell me he can't play nose tackle. He can play it, and be the best at it...he just doesn't want to. What puzzles me even more is the fact that he doesn't want to get double teamed as NT but as a DT he almost always gets double teamed. He is one of the most selfish player in the game...he could have been a hall of famer.

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Does anyone doubt that. if Kedric Golston or Lorenzo Alexander had AH's physical abilities (including his "instincts"), not only would they play NT they would be All-Pro's at the position? AH ain't worth what he's been paid and is a selfish player.

W/ that said, I am all for whatever ends the drama and lets everyone move on.

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[quote=saden1;753341]That SOB is 6-6 and 335lbs. Don't anybody fcking dare tell me he can't play nose tackle. He can play it, and be the best at it...he just doesn't want to. What puzzles me even more is the fact that he doesn't want to get double teamed as NT but as a DT he almost always gets double teamed. He is one of the most selfish player in the game...he could have been a hall of famer.[/quote]

I don't think it's a stretch to say a player isn't cut out for a certain position and/or scheme.

And if he was truly the most selfish player in the game, wouldn't he be demanding to be the starter? A guy that's willing to help the team and admit he's not the best choice for a position doesn't strike me as selfish.

Of course it may have helped if he was here for all the offseason work, but for now this is a pretty good solution for both sides as he continues to get up to speed at the nose.

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[quote=saden1;753299]I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.[/quote]

I think we've found someone less mature than Haynesworth!

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I'm not sure what to make of Haynesworth really. But it seems to me like his biggest concern has always been that as a NT he has to sacrifice certain stats, namely sacks. Like it doesn't matter if playing NT gives say Orakpo room to roam and adds 5 more sacks to Orakpo's stat sheet but that Haynesworth isn't getting those 5 stats. So AH would rather come off the bench as a pass rusher and get those 5 sacks himself. I'm guessing he wouldn't be as keen to come off the bench if it was to clog the middle

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Well....at the least perhaps we can use him in a positive way for the remainder of this season and showcase his talents for a useful offseason trade?
Who knows.....maybe he likes it and begins to make a statement, becomes a great TEAM player, great locker room guy............
and maybe I win the Lottery three times and spend the weekend with Scarlett Johansson.......
Maybe a nice offseason trade?

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[quote=SmootSmack;753388]I'm not sure what to make of Haynesworth really. But it seems to me like his biggest concern has always been that as a NT he has to sacrifice certain stats, namely sacks. Like it doesn't matter if playing NT gives say Orakpo room to roam and adds 5 more sacks to Orakpo's stat sheet but that Haynesworth isn't getting those 5 stats. So AH would rather come off the bench as a pass rusher and get those 5 sacks himself. I'm guessing he wouldn't be as keen to come off the bench if it was to clog the middle[/quote]

^^ This. I see no evidence that AH is trying to "get up to speed" on playing the nose. His comment that someone else is better at playing it was not conditioned by a "for now" or "until I show the coaches I am can play it better". AH wants his stats, wants to play [I]his[/I] way. If, to do that, he is happy sitting on the bench, and the coach's are happy to have him sit there, fine.

Is he ever going to be an All-Pro that way? Nope. Could he be one if he worked hard at learning the new position and being willing to do what the coaches told him to do? Yup. Could he really improve the team by sacrificing stats? Yup. Is he willing to do those things? Nope.

Again, Shanny and he have reached a mutual peace (I guess) and now we can just (hopefully) move past the drama.

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[quote=Hog1;753395]Well....at the least perhaps we can use him in a positive way for the remainder of this season and showcase his talents for a useful offseason trade?
Who knows.....maybe he likes it and begins to make a statement, becomes a great TEAM player, great locker room guy............
and maybe I win the Lottery three times and spend the weekend with Scarlett Johansson.......
[B]Maybe a nice offseason trade?[/B][/quote]

Let's hope so. He makes too much to just be a nickel pass rusher, so unless things change I can't see him sticking around at season's end.

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[quote=Mattyk;753372]I don't think it's a stretch to say a player isn't cut out for a certain position and/or scheme.

And if he was truly the most selfish player in the game, wouldn't he be demanding to be the starter? A guy that's willing to help the team and admit he's not the best choice for a position doesn't strike me as selfish.

Of course it may have helped if he was here for all the offseason work, but for now this is a pretty good solution for both sides as he continues to get up to speed at the nose.[/quote]

That's BS...most player don't wants to play nose tackle and you've heard this many times in the league in the past. Playing nose tackle doesn't take a genius...they just want to get at the QB.

London Fletcher said he's selfish. I'm sure there's a more selfish player out there in the NFL but I can't think of one right now....he's definitely the highest paid selfish player. It's nice to not show up for the off-season practices and then claim to be not good enough to play nose tackle collecting major money.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;753397]^^ This. [B]I see no evidence that AH is trying to "get up to speed" on playing the nose.[/B] His comment that someone else is better at playing it was not conditioned by a "for now" or "until I show the coaches I am can play it better". AH wants his stats, wants to play [I]his[/I] way. If, to do that, he is happy sitting on the bench, and the coach's are happy to have him sit there, fine.

Is he ever going to be an All-Pro that way? Nope. Could he be one if he worked hard at learning the new position and being willing to do what the coaches told him to do? Yup. Could he really improve the team by sacrificing stats? Yup. Is he willing to do those things? Nope.

Again, Shanny and he have reached a mutual peace (I guess) and now we can just (hopefully) move past the drama.[/quote]

He's still taking snaps in practice at the nose, and Haslett is still convinced that he can play there.

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[quote=Buster;753381]I think we've found someone less mature than Haynesworth![/quote]

You really aught to not talk about the maturity of others...since you're a slow fella I'm going to give you a pass.

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Albert needs to shut up and play, and give 150%. Im kinda tired of this, and really wish the media would focus on something else.

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[quote=Mattyk;753401]He's still taking snaps in practice at the nose, and Haslett is still convinced that he can play there.[/quote]

Guess I missed that. Was that in the Post article?

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102806712.html?sub=AR]Haynesworth fine doing what he does best[/url]

Shanahan stressed that to be a "complete lineman," a player has to be strong against both the pass and the run, and he's noticed improvement from Haynesworth in recent weeks. Haynesworth continues to take practice reps at the nose tackle position, though Haslett said Kedric Golston will now serve as backup to Ma'ake Kemoateu.

Haslett said he's convinced Haynesworth is still capable of playing in the 3-4. "He's athletic, he's big enough, it's more of a mind-set than anything. Is it what he does best, if it was 3-4? Probably not," he said. "But it doesn't mean he can't do it."

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^^ Thanks.

While not a complete condemnation of AH, it is certainly less than a ringing endorsement of him as an unselfish player. Essentially saying, if he adopted the proper mind set, AH could be just fine.

Again, whatever - if it gets us past the drama, I'm all good with it.

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Whatever the case, I think we're about to Haynesworth's best football. I'm all too excited about it - finally!

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I think it's a myth that Haynesworth is a better pass rusher than a run-stopper. However, when we put him right smack in the middle of our defense at the nose, his technique made him a poor run stopper. Moving him a couple feet to the outside makes him an excellent short yardage run defender.

Haynesworth could rush the passer equally well from anywhere.

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[quote=saden1;753270]Didn't that SOB say "I'm not good enough to play the 3-4" today? Here I was thinking he could be the best nose tackle in the business instead we got a part time player for a 100 million dollar contract. Fck him.[/quote]

Have you seen my sig? Is it possible to have a negative value for knowledge of football?

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[quote=saden1;753299]I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.[/quote]

Saden, I think you should just avoid any discussion of AH. You have no ability to make a point with any legitimacy on this topic. He is without a doubt our best d-lineman. It isn't even debatable.

Now what is debatable are the cracks in our head coaches' judgement that seem to be forming.

First, creating and fueling a situation with our best D-lineman that hurt the team in the W-L category. Next, benching our best QB for Rex effing Grossman when we had a legitimate chance to win. Lastly, letting Casey Rabach hike the ball to the quarterback.

Continuing to put Casey Rabach on the field is proof of insanity...

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;754689]Saden, I think you should just avoid any discussion of AH. You have no ability to make a point with any legitimacy on this topic. He is without a doubt our best d-lineman. It isn't even debatable.

Now what is debatable are the cracks in our head coaches' judgement that seem to be forming.

First, creating and fueling a situation with our best D-lineman that hurt the team in the W-L category. Next, benching our best QB for Rex effing Grossman when we had a legitimate chance to win. Lastly, letting Casey Rabach hike the ball to the quarterback.

Continuing to put Casey Rabach on the field is proof of insanity...[/quote]

Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.