Dropped Passes
 

Does anybody have stats for TEAM dropped passes? I know there are many issues that need to be addressed on offense, but the number of dropped passes this season has struck me as . . . conspicuous. I'd love to see where we sit compared to other teams.

Ha--they're talking about dropped passes on 106.7 right now . . .

EDIT:

Here are the stats: [url=http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFC&type=Receiving&rank=232]Football | NFL | Team Leaders - Passes Dropped - washingtonpost.com[/url]

NFC Passes Dropped
1 Detroit Lions 32
2 Philadelphia Eagles 26
3 Arizona Cardinals 26
4 St. Louis Rams 25
5 Carolina Panthers 25
6 New Orleans Saints 21
7 Seattle Seahawks 21
8 Atlanta Falcons 19
9 New York Giants 19
10 Green Bay Packers 18
11 Minnesota Vikings 18
12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 18
13 Washington Redskins 17
14 San Francisco 49ers 14
15 Chicago Bears 13
16 Dallas Cowboys 13

Hm--looks like we actually stack up pretty well, but I guess I'd need to see a ranking adjusted to consider the number of called passing plays. There are a lot of lurking variables, but it seems like when we do get the ball over the D-line and in a catchable position, the likelihood of it actually being caught is low.

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Moss, Cooley and Sellers being the biggest offenders, followed by Davis and Armstrong.

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Never seen so many dropped passes!
They were right in their hand too. Easy catches.

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And weak fumbles, and stupid interceptions and bad tackling.... this team did it all today.

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it helps if the qb can put the ball where it needs to be and d mac really isn't coming close. i'll admit i was pumped when we got him and didn't know why the eagles were willing to part ways and send him to another team in the division. just seems like andy reid knew exactly what he was doing, d mac has peaked and is on a freefall to the bottom.

that int in the endzone was one of the worst int's i have seen in a while, the safety was just sitting right in front of the fg post watching d mac and he threw it right at him

and that f-ing fumble on the sack that we luckily got back was another terrible play from d mac i think it was tuck and he came right at him from his right side how the f do you not see him comin at you?

there have been a lot of drops this year and it falls on d mac's shoulders as well as the receivers

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Well the main thing is when the drop passes occur. DM5 does mess up at times but how can you get in a rhythm when you got every one around you not coming through.

The reason DM5 was traded 2 us is because Andy Reid doesn't respect this organization and he figured DM5 would get a good paycheck. He has seen the way we run the team and he doesn't fear it and why should he.

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McNabb has no true #1 WR in WSH, he has a bunch of AVG players. I've been a huge Moss fan but its time for him to go. I'd like to see Davis traded for a draft pick and sign a couple of FA WRs. Draft OL again in the first RD and move from there.

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DM5 is ranked # 3 in the NFC, #7 in the NFL in total passing yards. What that proves to me is that we're severely lacking in the play-maker category. Plus our lack of a consistent running game is continuing to put us in 3 and long situations. As for the dropped passes, the Redskins always drop passes at critical times, especially ones that could give us the lead or a first down. With all the FA WR's next year, if we don't get at least 2 of them I'm going to be speechless.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;765735]McNabb has no true #1 WR in WSH, he has a bunch of AVG players. I've been a huge Moss fan but its time for him to go. I'd like to see Davis traded for a draft pick and sign a couple of FA WRs. Draft OL again in the first RD and move from there.[/quote]

i love how everyone says we should trade players for a pick, who is going to give us anything for davis he hasn't seen the field all year and honestly hasn't been very impressive while out there. mcnabb may have average players around he but he is barely playing average himself. when they beat philly he said the o is on me and he has since said it agian, which is nice to say but you have to show it on the field

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If either Cooley or Davis is let go this offseason, it will be Cooley simply because he has more value as a proven Pro Bowl tight end. I think it's kind of amazing that in this era of Redskins having weak depth and weak starters across the board that we were able to stack up a Pro Bowler and a great prospect at a position like tight end.

As for dropped passes, as the stats show we're middle of the pack in terms of dropped passes. It just becomes glaringly more obvious when drops kill drives in games that we lose, like today.

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[quote=mlmdub130;765740]i love how everyone says we should trade players for a pick, who is going to give us anything for davis he hasn't seen the field all year and honestly hasn't been very impressive while out there. mcnabb may have average players around he but he is barely playing average himself. when they beat philly he said the o is on me and he has since said it agian, which is nice to say but you have to show it on the field[/quote]

Davis could get us a 4th I bet.. He has alot of upside

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[quote=skinsfaninok;765757]Davis could get us a 4th I bet.. He has alot of upside[/quote]

he might get us a 5th i just don't think a 5th is worth it and honestly don't think a 4th is either

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[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;765710]Hm--looks like we actually stack up pretty well, but I guess I'd need to see a ranking adjusted to consider the number of called passing plays. There are a lot of lurking variables, but it seems like when we do get the ball over the D-line and in a catchable position, the likelihood of it actually being caught is low.[/quote]

The stats support that we don't drop more passes then average.

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"Well the main thing is when the drop passes occur. DM5 does mess up at times but how can you get in a rhythm when you got every one around you not coming through."

Yeah--the overall number of dropped passes is average or better-than-average, but I wish we had better resolution on the data to see how many dropped passes would have resulted in first downs or touchdowns. A statistician could call the "critical drops" or something like that. It feels like we've had a lot of critical drops this season . . .

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Tom Brady is having a career year in a two tight end system with a very limited running game. We on the other hand are sending out guys like Galloway and Williams to catch passes.

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Dropped passes have really only been an issue the last two weeks.

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[quote=Mattyk;765792]Dropped passes have really only been an issue the last two weeks.[/quote]

Really, remember the Houston Game? Joey Galloway?

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[quote=Shadowbyte;765797]Really, remember the Houston Game? Joey Galloway?[/quote]

I'm saying before last week we had very few drops, I'm not saying we were perfect.

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We have had dropped balls all year. Then the under and over thrown balls as well. Its been a problem all year.

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Not if you check the stats, but believe what u want

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[quote=Mattyk;765825]Not if you check the stats, but believe what u want[/quote]

cooley even said on the junkies this week that the skins have bad stats as far as dropped passes go. we might not drop the most in the league but we drop a good bit, as well as the inaccurate passes. he said he is at 90% or was and that he shold be at about 96%. i know it's not much but he said it(cooley), not me

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Drops and inaccurate passes are separate issues.

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i dont think nobody will be let go. shanahan does not release wide receivers as fast as he does running backs. they will be back. Only person on this team that needs to go is Heyer.

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The dropped passes and turnovers absolutely were disgusting today. I know we are not going to right a decade's plus of poor decision making in one year, but come on some of this is just basics.

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If McNabb had some decent receivers (and an offensive line too!) we wouldn't even be talking about stats...We'd just be counting the wins! I think he's still a great QB, but he needs somebody to throw to. a halfway decent running game would help a lot, too!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;765785]Tom Brady is having a career year in a two tight end system with a very limited running game. We on the other hand are sending out guys like Galloway and Williams to catch passes.[/quote]

And he won 3 SBs with a group of crappy receivers. Take a HOF QB and control the line of scrimmage and you can get away with bums at the skill positions. Now all we need is a HOF QB and an O and D line. We're so close;)

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The problem with the drops is that they are almost always drive killers for this team. The Skins are unable to overcome a drop and keep the drive going on the next play.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/headtohead?player1=MOS717844&player2=OWE755129&player3=null&player4=null&position=widereceiver&playerOne=Santana+Moss&playerTwo=Terrell+Owens&playerThree=Select+a+Player...&playerFour=Select+a+Player]NFL - Head to Head Stats[/url]...

No excuse for needing receivers. The old man killing our #1
T.O. is now 4th ranked receiver in the NFL. Just saying...

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Yeah and what's Cincy's record?

I'm more concerned with the OL. Let's start there rather than worrying about the WRs. It's not like Moss is having a horrible season.

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TO also leads the league in another familiar category

[url=http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=nfl&type=receiving&rank=232]Football | NFL | Leaders - Pass Dropped - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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I just have to say...

Santana Moss can still be one of the most productive receivers in the league RIGHT NOW...

and Anthony Armstrong / Chris Cooley / Fred Davis ... if used properly ... we are not HORRIBLE in receiving weapons...

to all of the McNabb apologists... explain THE ST LOUIS RAMS!!

They have a Rookie QB... and name ONE RECEIVER FOR THEM!

QB 1:
* 2010 Record: 6-6 (team was 1-15 last year!)
* 61% comp, 2,600+ yds, 17 TDs, 10 INTs
* 11 TDs/2 INTs over last 7 games means he is LEARNING HIS NEW OFFENSE
* Leading receiver had 326 CAREER receiving yds coming into 2010

QB 2:
* 2010 Record: 5-7 (team was 4-12 last year)
* 58% comp, 3,100+ yds, 12 TDs, 15 INTs
* 8 TDs, 12 INTs over last 7 games means he is.... ummm.... letting everyone blame is terrible receiving corps
* Has TWO... yes TWO... PRO BOWL RECEIVERS

I am not trying to bash McNabb... I am just sick of hearing everyone talk about us having terrible receivers... it is our QB and our OC... other coaches & QBs would be FINE with our weapons... regardless of the terrible O-Line (see Chicago Bears & Indy Colts)

Things that make you go hmmmm....

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;765926]I just have to say...

Santana Moss can still be one of the most productive receivers in the league RIGHT NOW...

and Anthony Armstrong / Chris Cooley / Fred Davis ... if used properly ... we are not HORRIBLE in receiving weapons...

to all of the McNabb apologists... explain THE ST LOUIS RAMS!!

[B]They have a Rookie QB... and name ONE RECEIVER FOR THEM![/B]

QB 1:
* 2010 Record: 6-6 (team was 1-15 last year!)
* 61% comp, 2,600+ yds, 17 TDs, 10 INTs
* 11 TDs/2 INTs over last 7 games means he is LEARNING HIS NEW OFFENSE
* Leading receiver had 326 CAREER receiving yds coming into 2010

QB 2:
* 2010 Record: 5-7 (team was 4-12 last year)
* 58% comp, 3,100+ yds, 12 TDs, 15 INTs
* 8 TDs, 12 INTs over last 7 games means he is.... ummm.... letting everyone blame is terrible receiving corps
* Has TWO... yes TWO... PRO BOWL RECEIVERS

I am not trying to bash McNabb... I am just sick of hearing everyone talk about us having terrible receivers... it is our QB and our OC... other coaches & QBs would be FINE with our weapons... regardless of the terrible O-Line (see Chicago Bears & Indy Colts)

Things that make you go hmmmm....[/quote]

Danny Amendola! What's my prize?

They also had Donnie Avery (young and decent) before he was lost for the season and they also traded for Mark Clayton who made a huge impact before he too was lost for the season. And their rookie tackle Roger Saffold is playing great enough that they moved 2009 #2 overall pick Jason Smith to the right side.

So yes, Sam Bradford is deserving of some praise, but their o-line is also playing decent enough to give him enough time to pass. And if they aren't, well their coaches have adjusted to the pressure probably by going to screens/quick passes/3 step drops/etc. to give him time to get the ball out of there.

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[quote=mooby;765929]Danny Amendola! What's my prize?

They also had Donnie Avery (young and decent) before he was lost for the season and they also traded for Mark Clayton who made a huge impact before he too was lost for the season. And their rookie tackle Roger Saffold is playing great enough that they moved 2009 #2 overall pick Jason Smith to the right side.

So yes, Sam Bradford is deserving of some praise, but their o-line is also playing decent enough to give him enough time to pass. [B]And if they aren't, well their coaches have adjusted to the pressure probably by going to screens/quick passes/3 step drops/etc. to give him time to get the ball out of there.[/B][/quote]

And that's a part of the game many QBs are better at than McNabb. Bradford is one of them, along with other things.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;765936]And that's a part of the game many QBs are better at than McNabb. Bradford is one of them, along with other things.[/quote]

Obviously I'd rather have Bradford than McNabb for a variety of reasons, but it does no good bitching about it knowing we are stuck with McNabb for the forseeable future. Let's focus on making McNabb's second season go way better than his first, and we can worry about our quarterback of the future later.

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I didn't see, but was Terrance Austin out there at WR at all?

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[quote=Mattyk;765911]Yeah and what's Cincy's record?

I'm more concerned with the OL. Let's start there rather than worrying about the WRs. It's not like Moss is having a horrible season.[/quote]

Honestly Im not worried about anything because there is so much to be worried about. I agree OL is first priority. I was just pointing out that TO is better than our #1 WR. Thats not good considering he was a FA for so long and he was ours for the taking. My other point was, we have no excuse to complain about WR position because WR's were avalible, that is all on FO.

Secondly TO drops so many passes because he has so many attempts and actually tries to make catches that are sometimes impossible to catch. He's a playmaker plain and simple.

The Skins are continuing to make BAD decisions when it comes to building a competitive team. They go out and get a McNabb for a win now but then don't pair him up with a win now WR.
(I wont even get into keeping AH on the sidelines)

If we are going to build then build, if we want to win now then make the moves that would allow us to attempt to win. Passing on TO was a big mistake. If it was not then picking up DM was.

You cant have it both ways.

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No need to make excuses for his drops, he's a great WR but TO has always dropped his fair share.

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[quote=Mattyk;765992]No need to make excuses for his drops, TO has always dropped his fair share.[/quote]

Lets say we fix the OL, what the heck does that do to fix all the points being scored on us. Continuing to put our teams woes all on the OL is making excuses at this point.

By the time we fix the OL it will be the DL and then the QB, WR's, TE's ect... We will lose more valuable personnel in the next few seasons than we will be able to fill.

Giving the current staff the benefit of the doubt, "IF" they are on the right track, it will be many more years before we will have the right balance of players to be competitive. There are just to many holes to fill. OL is just one of them.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;765757]Davis could get us a 4th I bet.. He has alot of upside[/quote]

If he has so much up side why trade hiom in the first place?

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[quote=44ever;765994]Lets say we fix the OL, what the heck does that do to fix all the points being scored on us. Continuing to put our teams woes all on the OL is making excuses at this point.

By the time we fix the OL it will be the DL and then the QB, WR's, TE's ect... We will lose more valuable personnel in the next few seasons than we will be able to fill.

Giving the current staff the benefit of the doubt, "IF" they are on the right track, it will be many more years before we will have the right balance of players to be competitive. There are just to many holes to fill. OL is just one of them.[/quote]

I don't think anyone is saying OL is the only issue, obviously it's one of many. Still, getting it fixed will go a long way in getting the offense on track. Much more so than plugging in new WRs.