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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5956686]Source: Donovan McNabb to ask for release after season - ESPN[/url]

Not suprised at all. But hey it's news

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They won't release him, he's dreaming if he actually thinks that

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I agree I don't see them releasing him either.

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Jeeze, does the drama ever end? I like you DMac and wished things had been better. But good luck having your way on this one after the comments made by your agent.

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The fact that he is under contract until the first week of the season bodes very well for our chances of trading him. We probably can expect, at best a 3rd and at worst a 5th, assuming he is willing to take a pay cut. If he does not the Redskins will release him right at the last minute.

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Yeah, we will trade him. If they release him it'll be foolish. I would love to get a 3rd/5th from the Niners or Cardinals.

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No way the cardinals would be interested. Possibly The Vikings, but, barring injury, I don't see a big market for him. I'd say Oakland is the most likely destination, and only because al Davis is retarded.

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Minnesota would be very interested, but I think a 3rd round pick might be the best we could do.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;772346]Minnesota would be very interested, but I think a 3rd round pick might be the best we could do.[/quote]

I would be happy with a 3rd rounder for him.

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maybe we resigned him just to gain an additional draft pick in trade?

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[quote=Dread-Skin;772458]maybe we resigned him just to gain an additional draft pick in trade?[/quote]

I would think so. Now it just depends on supply and demand to determine the quality of compensation that we get for him. Just have to hope demand is high. There are plenty of teams that will need a veteran QB next year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;772343]No way the cardinals would be interested. Possibly The Vikings, but, barring injury, I don't see a big market for him. I'd say Oakland is the most likely destination, and only because al Davis is retarded.[/quote]

Why wouldnt Tennessee, SF or Minny be interested? I think a 4th is reasonable to hope for in a trade. No way he gets an outright release.

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If he had gone the PC route and promised to "put in the time in the offseason" he might have gotten the release. Now, it's more of a VY thing. If he's released, it's right before opening weekend assuring that he doesn't know the new playbook thus screwing him and anyone picking him up for 2011.

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I would be stunned if we were able to get a 3rd round pick for McNabb.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;772337]The fact that he is under contract until the first week of the season bodes very well for our chances of trading him. We probably can expect, at best a 3rd and at worst a 5th, assuming he is willing to take a pay cut. If he does not the Redskins will release him right at the last minute.[/quote]


I think that was a shrewd contractual move by Bruce Allen, don't you think? Vinny could have never been that creative or forward thinking.

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[quote=Beemnseven;772603]I would be stunned if we were able to get a 3rd round pick for McNabb.[/quote]

We do such a great job at publicly devaluing even our most talented players, that by the end of their often harsh scrutiny, one is only left to wonder at their true value. That's notwithstanding what others outside the organization may be feeling about a particular player.

We critically run our players in the ground, then magically expect to fetch the maximum value in a possible trade that's not forthcoming.

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Dude's not worth shit, see weeks 1 through 14 for evidence.

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Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na hey hey hey good bye!!!

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There is no way we are getting a 3rd round pick from anyone , everyone knows that we are not having him on the team next year and he will eventually get released. Id take a 5th and just go w/ a clean start.

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I feel like we could get a third for Donovan.

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Won't happen.

This is what irks me...
McNabb gets benched the second time and he's not happy.(I figured season over their protecting him)

McNabb, I hear, on the radio saying he practiced Mon thru Wed and expected to play two weeks ago, but instead they choose Grossman. He said he was not happy but excepted it. Then he hears on ESPN that he's benched the rest of the season. So did the Shanahan's explain it to him and he only listened to what he wanted to hear or did the Shanahan's simply omit that part? and yes McNabb stated he was not happy with how it all went down.

Then McNabb's agent starts talking and says McNabb is not happy and doesn't know why a HOF QB is riding the bench. He said a bunch of other crap too.

Then the KS says he doesn't know what the agent is talking about. He has a sit down with McNabb and all is well, and McNabb is supposedly baffled as to his agents statements.


McNabb tells the media "I want to be here next year".

Now he supposedly wants to be released? Can McNabb make up his F-ing mind or atleast get all this garbage straightened out?

At this point Grossman looks good to run the team and it probably would be best to just TRADE McNabb for any type of draft pick we can get.

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I also think we can get a high 3rd for number 5. Deuces

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[quote=juskins;772678]I think that was a shrewd contractual move by Bruce Allen, don't you think? Vinny could have never been that creative or forward thinking.[/quote]

A belated attempt at rectifying his original mistake of making such a trade. The handwriting was on the wall long before he decided to go that route.

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5th rounder at best.

Jus look at all the trades that went down last year, most trades were for a 5th rounder for guys much younger than DM.

A 3rd is probably unrealistic.

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So what's it look like a 5th for McNabb and a 5th for AH?

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I truly hope none of you are actually wanting Rex Grossman to be the Skins Starting QB next year. He is a bum and always will be. Some Qb's are meant to be back ups and he is one of them.

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We're talking about a player that just a few short months ago was deemed our temporary savior at the QB position, team leader, captain, the Elway-east......now may not even fetch a 3rd round d/p. Amazing how things can change in such a short order. [sarc]

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When talking about trade value, lets remember how McNabb got here - a 2010 2nd rounder and a conditional pick in 2011 that ended up being a 4th rounder (the equivalent of a 2010 5th rounder. A number of teams were allegedly interested in McNabb, but no one wanted to give up a 2nd rounder as high as what the Redskins gave up. The eagles traded McNabb TO A DIVISION RIVAL, because no other NFL team thought he was worth a top 5 pick in the 2nd round.... this after being the franchise quarterback for 11 years. McNabbs horrible play in 2010 has solidified what 30 other NFL teams already guessed - McNabb is garbage.

Barring a pre-season injury to a starting QB in a WCO system combined with a panic move made by a GM or coach on the hotseat, I dont think we get much of anything for him. My best guess would be a conditional 2012 pick that could range anywhere from nothing to a 5th rounder. And i think we get nothing in return. I hate to say it, but i really think we would be best off cutting him and moving on. Any compensation we get in return is not worth the distraction of his presence here.

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We have him under contract, which is probably the ONLY thing that will allow us to actually TRADE him and not have to release him. Someone is going to want him come Jan, or Feb. Vikings maybe? They are great at giving up draft picks for guys (ala Moss)

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[quote=scowan;772825]We have him under contract, which is probably the ONLY thing that will allow us to actually TRADE him and not have to release him. Someone is going to want him come Jan, or Feb. Vikings maybe? They are great at giving up draft picks for guys (ala Moss)[/quote]

I was thinking of the Vikings before, but remember, chilly is gone. Whether Frazier stays on as the permanent HC or a new coach is brought in, there's no garauntee the Vikings will stick with a WCO. As of right now, I don't see a single team in the NFL that runs a WCO similar to Phillys that needs a QB. I honestly dont think there will even be a market for McNabb.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;772838]I was thinking of the Vikings before, but remember, chilly is gone. Whether Frazier stays on as the permanent HC or a new coach is brought in, there's no garauntee the Vikings will stick with a WCO. As of right now, I don't see a single team in the NFL that runs a WCO similar to Phillys that needs a QB. I honestly dont think there will even be a market for McNabb.[/quote]

I wouldn't go that far. There are teams around the league that need a good, veteran QB. No matter how off this year has been for McNabb, he is still a good QB, just didn't fit here in Washington. I'd say we can at least get a fifth rounder for him with maybe a conditional fourth if he takes his next team to the playoffs.

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Wish, adam schefter would just stay out of shanahans back pocket and stop starting all the controversy on this team.

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[quote=skinsguy;772845]I wouldn't go that far. There are teams around the league that need a good, veteran QB. No matter how off this year has been for McNabb, he is still a good QB, just didn't fit here in Washington. I'd say we can at least get a fifth rounder for him with maybe a conditional fourth if he takes his next team to the playoffs.[/quote]

If McNabb were still a good QB, the Eatles wouldnt have traded him to a division rival. Name one team that we know for sure will run a WCO in 2011where McNabb would be an upgrade over the incumbant QB. I can't see a single one. And there won't be ANY trade market for mcnabb unless there are atleast two teams vying for his services.

McNabb's position with the Shanahans this year was "Ive done it my way for 11 years. Don't try to make me do something different." THAT's why he wasnt a "good fit" here. So what makes you or any other team think he'll be good for their team?

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There's always a market for starting QBs. DM isn't done yet.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;772871]If McNabb were still a good QB, the Eatles wouldnt have traded him to a division rival. Name one team that we know for sure will run a WCO in 2011where McNabb would be an upgrade over the incumbant QB. I can't see a single one. And there won't be ANY trade market for mcnabb unless there are atleast two teams vying for his services.

McNabb's position with the Shanahans this year was "Ive done it my way for 11 years. Don't try to make me do something different." THAT's why he wasnt a "good fit" here. So what makes you or any other team think he'll be good for their team?[/quote]


Why does it have to be a West Coast Offense? There are plenty of places McNabb could go, even if it was a backup situation. San Fran, Oakland, Arizona, Minnesota, possibly even Seattle just to name a few. And exactly, where did that quote come from? Because, if McNabb truly did do it "his way" for the last 11 years, then he would have never left Philadelphia.

McNabb still has some tread left on his tires.

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[quote=Longtimefan;772792]A belated attempt at rectifying his original mistake of making such a trade. The handwriting was on the wall long before he decided to go that route.[/quote]


I think you hit the nail on the head. They knew several games into the season that Donovan was not the answer. I would further suggest that McNabb knew he was exposed by his laid back attitude and lack of urgency.

But Vinny would not have been that calculating. It actually gives us some relief should we decide to get rid of him.

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[quote=Longtimefan;772681]We do such a great job at publicly devaluing even our most talented players, that by the end of their often harsh scrutiny, one is only left to wonder at their true value. That's notwithstanding what others outside the organization may be feeling about a particular player.

We critically run our players in the ground, then magically expect to fetch the maximum value in a possible trade that's not forthcoming.[/quote]

Thank you, I was about to say something similar. Some on this thread are applauding Shanahan for being better GM than Vinny and Snyder, which isn't saying much, I could be a better GM than Snyderatto.

I have the opposite opinion. the handling of McNabb and Haynesworth, in terms of maximizing their trade value is horrendous.
The consistently good teams handle it much better. Look at Philly. Last season and the season before when Micheal Vick did finally get a chance to play, he did not play well. In some cases he played poorly. But did they put him in the dog house or publicly roll the bus over him; and hastily and prematurely decide he he was not good enough and decide to go get rid of him? No. They kept Vick on the bench, continued to coach him up and now he is one of the most dynamic Qb's in the NFL. Their patience was rewarded. The Redskins and Giants games Vick was amazing.
Shanhan makes McNabb and Ah the scape goats rather than helping them improve and become better trade bait.

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[quote=Defensewins;772945]Thank you, I was about to say something similar. Some on this thread are applauding Shanahan for being better GM than Vinny and Snyder, which isn't saying much, I could be a better GM than Snyderatto.

I have the opposite opinion. the handling of McNabb and Haynesworth, in terms of maximizing their trade value is horrendous.
The consistently good teams handle it much better. Look at Philly. Last season and the season before when Micheal Vick did finally get a chance to play, he did not play well. In some cases he played poorly. But did they put him in the dog house or publicly roll the bus over him; and hastily and prematurely decide he he was not good enough and decide to go get rid of him? No. They kept Vick on the bench, continued to coach him up and now he is one of the most dynamic Qb's in the NFL. Their patience was rewarded. The Redskins and Giants games Vick was amazing.
Shanhan makes McNabb and Ah the scape goats rather than helping them improve and become better trade bait.[/quote]



No way in the world you can coach up natural abilities. Vick is a baller. McNabb cannot compare to Micheal's natural abilities.

They took a chance on Vick when others would not. Bruce Allen took a chance on a once productive QB. McNabb reminds me of a better verbal and athletic Jason Campbell - saying all the right things but can't deliver, at least not in his offense.

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[quote=juskins;772949]No way in the world you can coach up natural abilities. [B][U]Vick is a baller. McNabb cannot compare to Micheal's natural abilities.
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They took a chance on Vick when others would not. Bruce Allen took a chance on a once productive QB. McNabb reminds me of a better verbal and athletic Jason Campbell - saying all the right things but can't deliver, at least not in his offense.[/quote]

I am sure you thought this as Vick was walking out of the jail cell. At the time most experts were saying Vick's career was over. In fact most of the Vick haters were saying Vick never had what it took to be a franchise QB. He was only a running QB and all that he had accomplished in ATL was because of his legs. That Vick did not have the arm accuracy or brain to be a top QB.
In terms of enough natural abilities, several teams have won SB's with less than great QB's. We are playing this game to win a Sb...right? Or you one of those fans that really wants to have the best passing game like Dan Marino but not titles?
I would rather win titles and not be the best in any one category. i couldn't care less if we do not have a single pro bowl player or mega star. Just win Championships baby!

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I'm kind of dissappointed in D Mac on this one.

He has been nothing but a classy guy his whole career. Maybe a little insecure at times, but nonetheless a good guy, and a great ambassador for the NFL. He has never been a drama queen, he has never been a hold-out, or a negative locker room presence.

Asking for his release, seems to me, kind of a prima-donna thing to do. It's like saying, "hey, i played bad all season, but if they won't guarantee me a starting job next year, then i'm out of here. Why should I have to earn it or put in any effort? I'm Donovan McNabb".

I expected him to say something like "I'm dissappointed at how things worked out this year, but I was able to learn a whole lot and i can't wait to work my butt off over the off-season and come in here next year and compete for the starting job". That's what I figured he would say.

Can we really say without a doubt that Donovan is a guaranteed starter SOMEWHERE next year, after his numbers this season? Like someone else said, he is basically a bigger, more athletic Jason Campbell, who is a good guy, but just can't make the offense work.

If anything, Donovan showed this year that while he can still make the occasional big play or 2 during a game, he is an aging QB who is past his prime, and at this stage in his career he can put up mediocre, sometimes solid numbers. He will not lose the game, but when down, he cannot win the game for you. Kind of like JC.

I think Donovan is best served at this point in his career as a primary backup. Kind of like Mark Brunell has done with the Saints, and now Jets. He is a guy who can still play if needed, but his primary job is to be a mentor and good influence to young players.