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Anyone hear about this:

[url=http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/259991-front-office-rifts-already-on-horizon-in-washington]Front-office rifts already on horizon in Washington[/url]

Reading the underlying article there is a one paragraph comment midway through the page. Is this just paff / hangover / speculation based on DS old habits and the knee jerk reaction from media that DS has to have his fingers involved in everything?

Haven't seen anything to back it up whatsoever.

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ONLY 7 mos til' training camp............

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[quote=JoeRedskin;776628]Anyone hear about this:

[url=http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/259991-front-office-rifts-already-on-horizon-in-washington]Front-office rifts already on horizon in Washington[/url]

Reading the underlying article there is a one paragraph comment midway through the page. Is this just paff / hangover / speculation based on DS old habits and the knee jerk reaction from media that DS has to have his fingers involved in everything?

Haven't seen anything to back it up whatsoever.[/quote]

Fact or fiction, you have just seen the premise of every JLC note on the Redskins off-season.

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Saw this on another site and not one could provide any proof to back up a rift between the two or three, DS, MS, and Allen.

The way I see it... Allen might not be Snyders first pick but he was a package deal with Shanahan whome Snyder covets, is friends with, and has talked to on many occassions even while Shanahan was with Denver. So what on earth could piss Snyder off enough that would make him not happy with his coveted HC that he is friends with and worked so hard to bring on board?

On top of that Snyder promised to not meddle and leave all decisions to the GM and HC. So now he's upset and what? is he going to meddle? No the first year didn't go well, but the team doesn't have all the players needed to run the type of offense or defense they want to run. You hire someone for 5 yrs either give them the 5 yrs to fix this mess that Cerrato created over 10yrs or don't give long term contracts to the coach's. Hire them for 2yrs or 3yrs only. On a side note he was going to let Gibbs2 fulfill his contract but Gibbs2 bailed on the 5th yr.

It sounds like a lot of unhappy people trying to create a rift where there is none in hopes the coaching staff is fired for whoever they would like to have in place.

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Lets see..........5 year deal?
So that's like...build off first year record of 10-6 and win the SB four consecutive years?
It's GREAT to be a Skins fan.........

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;776634]Fact or fiction, you have just seen the premise of every JLC note on the Redskins off-season.[/quote]

Yeah. The first thing I thought of was "Where's JLC's name? It's gotta be here somewhere."

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And so it begins again. Smh

This will never end until DS is gone

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Non-story

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"Why would you disgrace Donovan McNabb like that!!!!!?!?!??!?!" - Snyder
"The guy couldn't play football for me Dan, We're drafting a rookie." - Shanahan
"Fine. Want to sign Richard Seymour, Randy Moss, and Champ Bailey this off season?" - Snyder
"No just go sit at one of your condos and stay away from football." - Shanahan
"Fine." - Snyder

"WOW, I heard Shanahan and Snyder got into an arguement!?!?!? Better tell the world!!!" - Reporters/Fans

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[quote=skinsfaninok;776656]And so it begins again. Smh

This will never end until DS is gone[/quote]

This will never end simply because the media know they can publish that line and will get a sufficient amount of web hits to follow. This type of single line, no proof, web analysis would never have flown in the newspaper days, and I don't think even ESPN would publish something that so significantly lacks credible source material. But within a few days, this one little post will have served as backbone for so many web followups, that eventually the real media will start publishing it's unsourced material as evidence of a bigger rift:(

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I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.

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Snyder - he's as relevant as he is short.

Shanahan - top dog. He oversaw everything in Denver. His OWN book mentioned that"
[QUOTE]"Now, is it error free? No, nothing is. But by having scouts talking with players, position coaches studying players, coordinators supervising their decisions and [B]me overlooking everything[/B], we have prepared ourselves to limit our mistakes."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/teams/redskins/2011/01/thom-loverro-can-shanahan-draft-champion#ixzz1AeVXdxb9]Thom Loverro: Can Shanahan draft like a champion? | Washington Examiner[/url][/QUOTE]

Bruce Allen - salary cap/contract master. Also probably does the wheeling and dealing for whatever Shanahan asks of him, i.e Shanahan wanted Campbell gone, Allen did the talking with Al Davis. After all, it's unlikely Al Davis and Shanahan could get far in negotiations.

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Not buying it.

At all.

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[quote=skinsfan69;776662]I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would [B]not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.[/B][/quote]

That's like me saying....[B]I would not be surprised[/B] if a meteor hit the Earth at some point in time and extinguished all life.
No real story real here just huge speculation.

I do have one theory that has been in the back of my mind since this whole AH saga started this training camp....just a theory....I wondered [B][U]if[/U][/B] AH was forced on Shanahan by Snyder because of AH's contract. Snyder made a mandate if we can not trade AH for at least a 2nd we keep him. Shanahan was desperate to unload AH at any cost and out of frustration said fine I will make this fat boy's life miserable to make him either quit or make him look bad until he quits. Either way Shanahan eventually got what he wanted which was AH off the roster with no pay.
Did Snyder figure it out and this combined with the mishandling of McNabb, maybe Snyder is starting want to pull in the slack of the FO reigns a bit?

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We need to start giving JLC the Florio treatment.

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this is such a load of crap and a non-story .. i love that Jay Glazer "reports" that Gruden could end up here .. come on man .. unless shanny goes 3-13 next season he will be coaching the Skins' in 2013.

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[quote=Defensewins;776682]That's like me saying....[B]I would not be surprised[/B] if a meteor hit the Earth at some point in time and extinguished all life.
No real story real here just huge speculation.

I do have one theory that has been in the back of my mind since this whole AH saga started this training camp....just a theory....I wondered [B][U]if[/U][/B] AH was forced on Shanahan by Snyder because of AH's contract. Snyder made a mandate if we can not trade AH for at least a 2nd we keep him. Shanahan was desperate to unload AH at any cost and out of frustration said fine I will make this fat boy's life miserable to make him either quit or make him look bad until he quits. Either way Shanahan eventually got what he wanted which was AH off the roster with no pay.
Did Snyder figure it out and this combined with the mishandling of McNabb, maybe Snyder is pull in the slack of the FO reigns?[/quote]No, Shanahan has his history of bringing in talented DTs and doing battle with them soon afterwards(Daryl Gardener and Trevor Price). Who's fault started those battles is irrelevant here. Shanahan might be in the right for all cases, he might not. Anyway, I think that when Shanahan sees a talented DT, he's always going to try to "coerce" him onboard because he sooooo wants to reap the benefits of that player and he has a bit of pride that he can coach anyone up. It worked with Pryce, but not with Haynesworth. Haynesworth talents could be used at NT, but he has quickness and agility that most other prospective NTs don't have, and

I can understand that he would try to have the Haynesworth cake and eat it too since if successful, the defense would be that much better.

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[quote=skinsfan69;776662]I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.[/quote]

I don't know if Glazer is prone to talking about unconfirmed reports over the air, but if he says that on Fox' pregame show this weekend (or after) I'll believe the story has legs.

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Some thoughts:

Glazer is great. I don't necessarily agree with his methods, but he's really really good at what he does. Even the best are wrong sometimes though

Gruden and Allen have an interesting relationship. They watched a lot of games together last year and sometimes I couldn't tell if they hate each other or love each other. Maybe a little of both. But I kind of got the feeling Gruden is ready to be on his own. Allen's not as concerned with being "the man"

Snyder's biggest "issue" with the McNabb benching was that he wasn't in town when it happened. But that issue was blown way out of proportion

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Looking back, I think Gruden would have been the better choice (I'm aware he likely wasn't an option). Shanahan is a great coach, there's no doubt about it.. But the Redskins had no motivation. We were coming off the worst season in about a decade and had very few characters guys on our team. Jon Gruden would have motivated this team, he would have convinced Haynesworth that he could be his Warren Sapp. He would have had the defense playing what suits them, with good players and not these scrubs like Kemo and Gholston. He likely wouldn't have gotten McNabb and would have drafted a receiver to work with Santana.
Mike Shanahan doesn't seem to be the guy to completely change the culture unless he can take each player off the roster that doesn't work hard one by one.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I still feel like Gruden would have allowed for better results this year, but rather than just getting lucky.. Showing actual improvement.

This year we're pretty much banking on Free Agency and the Draft, because I can't imagine a Jim Haslett ran defense with the players from last year doing anything differently.

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There is basically one credible source out there with Redskins info and that is Adam Schefter. You can pretty much disregard pretty much everybody else and assume it's made up, which it most likely is. (Jason La Confora, Jason Reid are two notable ones)

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[quote=NC_Skins;776704]There is basically one credible source out there with Redskins info and that is Adam Schefter. You can pretty much disregard pretty much everybody else and assume it's made up, which it most likely is. (Jason La Confora, Jason Reid are two notable ones)[/quote]

I wouldn't go that far

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[quote=skinsfan69;776662]I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.[/quote]

Ok lets for a moment believe your not throwing horse hock out here right now and take it as a possible truth....

#1- Why give anyone 1-2 yrs to fix what took 10 yrs to screw up?
#2- Allen and Shanahan are good friends and both came to an agreement prior to being hired by Snyder that they would work their next gig together. So the loyalty is leaning toward Allen/Shanahan not Allen/Snyder.

#3- Snyder can be pissed all he wants to but "his" way of handling the team proved to not work out well over the course of the 10 yrs and "if" DS is truly about turning over a new leaf and letting the right people run the team then DS needs to shut up and look the other way. He admitted that how things were being run was a failure.

Lastly I find it interesting that DS goes out of his way to pick up Allen/Shanahan to make this team better and instill discipline and he would be upset at how McNabb and Haynesworth was handled? Funny cause if I was the owner I'd be more pissed at the players.

Haynesworth for not getting with the program and McNabb for the bad decision making.

But thankfully I don't believe any of the BS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;776705]I wouldn't go that far[/quote]

Seeing how Schefter gets his info straight from Shanny, I would go that far.

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[quote=Mattyk;776672][B][SIZE=4]Not buying it[/SIZE][/B].

At all.[/quote]

Off-sesason.......no Skins game to talk about.....Blarney

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[quote=SBXVII;776709]Ok lets for a moment believe your not throwing horse hock out here right now and take it as a possible truth....

#1- Why give anyone 1-2 yrs to fix what took 10 yrs to screw up?
#2- Allen and Shanahan are good friends and both came to an agreement prior to being hired by Snyder that they would work their next gig together. So the loyalty is leaning toward Allen/Shanahan not Allen/Snyder.

#3- Snyder can be pissed all he wants to but "his" way of handling the team proved to not work out well over the course of the 10 yrs and "if" DS is truly about turning over a new leaf and letting the right people run the team then DS needs to shut up and look the other way. He admitted that how things were being run was a failure.

Lastly I find it interesting that DS goes out of his way to pick up Allen/Shanahan to make this team better and instill discipline and he would be upset at how McNabb and Haynesworth was handled? Funny cause if I was the owner I'd be more pissed at the players.

Haynesworth for not getting with the program and McNabb for the bad decision making.

But thankfully I don't believe any of the BS.[/quote]

I'm just writing what I heard on The Fan this morning. Is it BS? Probably and I personally don't think Shanahan is going anywhere. But I'm sure DS isn't happy about how Shanahan has handled some things.

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I originally wanted the Allen & Gruden combo but that ship sailed. We need to give Shanny his time to turn this around. I am willing to give him at least 3 years and probably 4 before passing judgement.

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Assuming improvement to the 8-8 range, there is no way that Snyder fires Shanny after year 2 with $20M+ guaranteed remaining on his contract. No way.

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The record doesn't even matter to me. If he fires Shanny after 2 years that will be one of the worst days in Redskins history, because it will mean that after 10+ years our owner still doesn't get it and the franchise is doomed...

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[quote=Mattyk;776672]Not buying it.

At all.[/quote]

This.

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Can anyone be sure that My Cousin Vinny is not the source of this story?

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[quote=celts32;776727]The record doesn't even matter to me. If he fires Shanny after 2 years that will be one of the worst days in Redskins history, because it will mean that after 10+ years our owner still doesn't get it and the franchise is doomed...[/quote]

If that idiot fires Shanny within the next 3 years, I will stop pulling for this team until he dies or sells the team. I live in NC, and the Panthers have a great organization to say the least so it's hard to watch the crap that dan snyder has done to our beloved team.

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Other stories to follow this one:

Pete Carroll is an alien from the planet Zircon disguised as a human being.

Rex Ryan lost weight when he was mauled by a lion in a New York subway station, then magically restored to health by Zambian elves.

Jerry Jones was the rumored second gunman in the Kennedy assassination.

Bylines without evidence - what a country!

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[quote=NC_Skins;776733]If that idiot fires Shanny within the next 3 years, I will stop pulling for this team until he dies or sells the team. I live in NC, and the Panthers have a great organization to say the least so it's hard to watch the crap that dan snyder has done to our beloved team.[/quote]

I don't know much about the Panthers org, but are you talking about the same one that has the 1st overall pick, and left a quality HC hanging in the wind because they don't want to pay his commensurate salary?

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[quote=skinsfan69;776717]I'm just writing what I heard on The Fan this morning. Is it BS? Probably and I personally don't think Shanahan is going anywhere. But I'm sure DS isn't happy about how Shanahan has handled some things.[/quote]

Really because if you ask me it seems that Shanahan handled Hansworth about the same way Snyder handled a few players. Think about Lavar and the WR (forgot his name right now) from the Jets.

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[YT][/YT][quote=skinsfan69;776662]I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.[/quote]

yeah glazer mentioned this a bit back.. nothing more has come of it yet though.. and JLC has been right on a lot of stuff this year but he's gotten quite annoying, preaching everything with I told you so to the point his statements are dripping with insecurity or at the least a slap in the face to his critics, much like Glenn Beck

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[quote=firstdown;776744]Really because if you ask me it seems that Shanahan handled Hansworth about the same way Snyder handled a few players. Think about Lavar and the WR (forgot his name right now) from the Jets.[/quote]

Coles, Lavar was all Gregg Williams

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[quote=tryfuhl;776761]

yeah glazer mentioned this a bit back.. nothing more has come of it yet though.. and JLC has been right on a lot of stuff this year but he's gotten quite annoying, preaching everything with I told you so to the point his statements are dripping with insecurity or at the least a slap in the face to his critics, much like Glenn Beck[/quote]


:laughing2:Flush:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;776740]I don't know much about the Panthers org, but are you talking about the same one that has the 1st overall pick, and left a quality HC hanging in the wind because they don't want to pay his commensurate salary?[/quote]

Sure the Panthers had a shitty year. It happens to all teams, but let's look at the stability over the past 15 years compared to ours. They've done a lot more the past 15 years than we have as well. Also, it was time for Fox to go. He hasn't had consecutive winning seasons since he's been at Carolina. He isn't the only one I would like to see gone out of that organization. (Hurney should go too)

We can't hold a candle to that organization at this current point in time.

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[quote=tryfuhl;776761][YT][/YT]

yeah glazer mentioned this a bit back.. nothing more has come of it yet though.. and JLC has been right on a lot of stuff this year but he's gotten quite annoying, preaching everything with I told you so to the point his statements are dripping with insecurity or at the least a slap in the face to his critics, much like Glenn Beck[/quote]

Name me something JLC has been right on when it comes to the Redskins this year? If he is "right" he's usually about 2 months behind.